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post #51 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:06pm
I think it looks pretty fantastic.
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post #52 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:09pm
I can't see how sci-fi geeks could hate on this so much unless they really despised Cameron's previous films. The CG in the trailer ranges from very good to excellent. I won't know how the story works out until I've seen it.
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post #53 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:11pm
Nice to have you back, Cameron. Here's hoping you pull this off.

After 2 viewings, I'm not over- or under-whelmed, just whelmed. It certainly looks like a lot of fun, and undoubtedly very beautiful. It doesn't look like a new era in cinema, though.

I was suitably impressed by some of the effects--the planet effects in particular. The Na'Vi are more of a mixed bag. They look nice but still look CGI--albeit CGI done very well.
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post #54 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:12pm
I must be one of the few who is a little more interested in Avatar after seeing this. I haven't cared enough to follow anything too closely. Mostly just stories posted on CHUD. I don't have strong feeling one way or another about Cameron either. It seems a little silly to say it looks like a piece of shit though. It looks as good as any CGI from any modern blockbuster I have seen.

I just wonder why, with all the technological advancements, homeboy still has to wheel his own wheel chair. It seems it would be easier to even cure paralysis than transplant someones mind into another living organism. (Maybe all this is addressed in the movie. I don't know.)
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post #55 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:13pm
Okay... pretty awesome. I've given up on "photo-realistic" CGI because I feel like I can always tell when I'm looking at CGI(or CGI-enhanced images).

The Na'vi took me a few viewings to get used to, but I think perhaps they're just a bit hard to visually swallow within the few seconds we see them(meaning they'd work better in the actually movie/scenes).

But in my opinion, the CGI looks good(it is CGI, let us not forget). I'll post more when i have more time to digest.
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post #56 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:14pm
Completely underwhelming. It really does look like The Matrix trilogy had a baby with Lucas' Prequel Trilogy. This could bomb, given the cost of the thing. I'm just not sure most audiences are in this place any more. We'll see. Of course, I'm gonna watch it, but it didn't really do anything at all for me and I kind of hate the design.
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post #57 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:18pm
I simply don't like the way the Navi look. Their faces look dopey/goofy at times (especially their eyes) and it irks me.
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post #58 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:20pm
This is all I need. I don't need a 16 minute IMAX presentation; this trailer will suffice. Any more would be overkill, which I'm sure is what will happen down the line until Dec 18th.

It looks like great Sci-Fi, nothing revolutionary, and that is NOT a bad thing. I'll still be there first weekend.
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post #59 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:26pm
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I simply don't like the way the Navi look. Their faces look dopey/goofy at times (especially their eyes) and it irks me.
I think this is the biggest problem I have with the characters. Yeah, I get they are aliens, but the flat faces just feel so...odd.
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post #60 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:27pm
I think support for the movie would be more vocal if it felt like Cameron's career was actually at stake. I think he's the only director not called Spielberg who could walk away from a 350 million wreckage relatively unscathed.
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post #61 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:34pm
WOW! The trailer to...Avatar is awe-inspiringly epic, while the mech suits look properly...Awesome. It is great to see James Cameron direct an actual SF/war/ film in his typically bombastic fashion. I do not care how the aliens look like, but I love all the high tech superweapons showcased. The poster should read from...The King Of The World, and director of Terminator 1 and 2, Aliens, True Lies and Titanic!
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post #62 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:41pm
Let's consider one thing... the last time Cameron made a big action/SF blockbuster,
there was no internet to speak of, and I remember that back then people were skeptic
about his movies, as they expected a big senseless fx crapfest, but each time people left the theater impressed, thinking and talking about the movie.

Among regular people, the most talked-about character in Aliens were Bill Paxton and the girl.
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post #63 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by SuperStalin View Post
Let's consider one thing... the last time Cameron made a big action/SF blockbuster,
there was no internet to speak of, and I remember that back then people were skeptic
about his movies, as they expected a big senseless fx crapfest, but each time people left the theater impressed, thinking and talking about the movie.

Among regular people, the most talked-about character in Aliens were Bill Paxton and the girl.
I'm considering this but still missing the point???
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post #64 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:51pm
I can't believe they've just shown this trailer on the BBC 6 o'clock news. They even had shots of the reporter wearing 3D specs saying, "this is incredible".
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post #65 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:53pm
Wow. FINAL FANTASY with more money thrown at it. Not impressed.

The Navi look like blue CGI Thundercats.
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post #66 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:55pm
Is the Indian looking scientist the psychic from Drag Me To Hell ?
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post #67 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:57pm
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Is the Indian looking scientist the psychic from Drag Me To Hell ?
Yes. I think I saw Joel David Moore from HATCHET in there as well.
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post #68 of 367
8/20/09 at 2:58pm
How is it that the powersuit in D9 looks 10x better than the ones here when it cost 10x less?

After a second viewing I will say that the action setpieces do look pretty amazing from what little we can glean from them... hope they're only enhanced by 3D.
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post #69 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:02pm
So, this is "Ferngully" in space but with a anti militaristic tone added?
Horrible joke aside, it looks great, and much better than 99% of the remake/unoriginal crap Hollywood has been putting out as blockbusters lately.
As for the revolutionary aspects, I'll reserve judgment until I see it in 3D.
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post #70 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:03pm
He's still in a wheelchair because the Right managed to hinder any and all stem cell advances.
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post #71 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:04pm
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The Navi look like blue CGI Thundercats.
Green box for you sir


All i can say is .. 'Ooooh shiney'


It looks pretty fancy, and I could probably suspend belief in regards to the environments and the alien monsters, but the Navi themselves look really really cgi....
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post #72 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:06pm
Very good looking. And as photorealistic as you can make giant blue elves.
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post #73 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:11pm


Even if the movie blows, I will love it for giving me the above image.
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post #74 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:14pm
Internet arguments about Avatar are bad for the soul. I just read almost two pages of this shit and I feel like I have undergone both physical and mental decay in the process.
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post #75 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:15pm
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And as photorealistic as you can make giant blue elves.
I don't buy this shit at all. "You've never seen a Navi in real life so how do you know if it's photoreal!?" BULLSHIT. I never saw a real dinosaur before JURRASIC PARK. The shit looked real. I never saw a "Prawn" before DISTRICT 9. Shit looked real. Blueberry Lion-o Navi does not look real, sorry. At least not in this trailer, I'll reserve judgement for the final product.
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post #76 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:15pm
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It looks pretty fancy, and I could probably suspend belief in regards to the environments and the alien monsters, but the Navi themselves look really really cgi....
This. The Na'vi are just way to "cartoony", whatever that means. They still look like characters from the Star Wars prequals. All the CGI characters still fail to occupy the same space as the live actors. I don't know if anyone will ever figure out the trick to fooling the eye and the mind of the viewer in this reguard......but Cameron hasn't done it here.
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post #77 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:18pm
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How is it that the powersuit in D9 looks 10x better than the ones here when it cost 10x less?
I will always have a soft spot for the Matrix mecha, but the D9 mecha kicks the shit out of every cinematic mecha since EVER. And I just said mecha too many times.
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post #78 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by JXN1138 View Post
I don't know if anyone will ever figure out the trick to fooling the eye and the mind of the viewer in this reguard......but Cameron hasn't done it here.
Well, there's always biotechnology...splice some genes around, get your blue thundercat, film it, shove it in the furnace afterward.
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post #79 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:21pm
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Even if the movie blows, I will love it for giving me the above image.
I'm assuming Weaver bites it early on in the film.
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post #80 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:22pm
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I'm assuming Weaver bites it early on in the film.
That photo needs Michael Biehn giving Weaver a hug if what you say is true
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post #81 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by Fritz Chrome View Post
Internet arguments about Avatar are bad for the soul. I just read almost two pages of this shit and I feel like I have undergone both physical and mental decay in the process.
This. Twitter has also started rotting me from the inside.
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post #82 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:23pm
Well, I dunno about this one. As far as trailers go, it was generally shitty. I wanted to see a little bit more about what the movie was suppossed to be about. Had I not have been reading some of these theads, I would be scratching my head.

It looks neat though. I am thankful that now I have something of a reference when imagining what this film will be like. And OF COURSE Sam Worthington is wheelchair bound. It's like Cameron couldn't exactly trust that a human could "go native" purely for reasons like love, he had to tie in the fact that he's got walker's envy and being a Na'vi frees him from the prison of his body. Oi.
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post #83 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:25pm
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Some of the environment work is excellent, but everything else just looks like high budget modern movie sci-fi to me. Nothing revolutionary, and it's certainly not fooling me into thinking it's really there.
There really isn't any way this movie can live up the hype that the studio is making for it. I think people will flock to see it, expecting to get a who new cinema experience, but all they're going to get is another James Cameron movie.
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post #84 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:25pm
On a side note, is Avatar another story where a group of aliens armed with bow and arrows and spears are able to fend off a bunch of Humans with hugely advanced and overwhelming fire power, just because they care more?
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post #85 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:25pm
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And OF COURSE Sam Worthington is wheelchair bound. It's like Cameron couldn't exactly trust that a human could "go native" purely for reasons like love, he had to tie in the fact that he's got walker's envy and being a Na'vi frees him from the prison of his body. Oi.
I liked the trailer a lot. But... yeah, I agree. That's kinda shitty.
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post #86 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:26pm
Looks like it could be a fun couple of hours. Not revolutionary maybe, but fun. Reminds me a little of Jackson's King Kong and, yes, Atlantis.

When it comes to the CG, most of it looks pretty impressive. Sure, some looks cartoony but I really don't think I'm ever going to be convinced that giant blue aliens are real.

For the first time, I'm also excited to see what this will look like in 3D. The action seems like it will really lend itself to that.
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post #87 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:26pm
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I will always have a soft spot for the Matrix mecha, but the D9 mecha kicks the shit out of every cinematic mecha since EVER. And I just said mecha too many times.
I am going to wait and see what they move around like in the film. The glimpses of the powersuits in the trailer looked promising. I am not letting the differences in design asthetics between D9 and Avatar buzzkill me just yet. I want to see how the design Cameron's envisioned plays out in it's totality on the big screen first.
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post #88 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:28pm
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Smurfs are blue and Smurfs are getting kids used to seeing blue people. Kids see blue people, they like, relate to Smurfs, and they relate to blue people when Krishna comes about.
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post #89 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:33pm
Do you know WHY Sam Worthington picked the Avatar body he picked?



THAT FUCKER CAN SHRED AIR GUITAR IN HIS MOTHERFUCKING SLEEP!
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post #90 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:33pm
Such anger.

As to the Prawns in D9, they are much easier to make "real" looking. The filmakers themselves even said the reason they made them "hard shelled" creatures, was that it would be much easier to render convincingly and cheaper too. That doesn't take anything away from their achievement and if that's really true cameron could have done the same thing. He chose not to and that's fine with me.

There are old and credible chewers in here who have seen the comic-con footage and who were impressed and awed by what they saw. After a few minutes you get used to the look of the Navi and don't think about it and you easily buy into the story. That's why we really need just one extended scene with dialogue to convince us of this. I guess we'll see that in a full trailer eventually.
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post #91 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by JXN1138 View Post
Blizzard's teaser trailer for StarCraft 2 looked more photo real than this!
Don't be silly.
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post #92 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:36pm
Was the avatar supposed to blend in with the other aliens? Because I'd think that dressing him up in human-esque clothes and an assault rifle probably makes him a bit easy to tell apart from the rest.
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post #93 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
I am going to wait and see what they move around like in the film. The glimpses of the powersuits in the trailer looked promising. I am not letting the differences in design asthetics between D9 and Avatar buzzkill me just yet. I want to see how the design Cameron's envisioned plays out in it's totality on the big screen first.
They look too clunky and spacious for me. The D9 mecha is straight out of anime, I love it. If it could also turn into a fighter jet like something out of the Macross franchise I'd wet my pants.
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post #94 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:37pm
They may look photoreal, but their movements do not.
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post #95 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by JXN1138 View Post
On a side note, is Avatar another story where a group of aliens armed with bow and arrows and spears are able to fend off a bunch of Humans with hugely advanced and overwhelming fire power, just because they care more?
That's pretty much it. When we say that it's another Dances With Wolves or The Last Samurai, we mean it's another entry in the "I didn't understand love until I stopped being white" genre. This time around, the hero even gets a bona fide body transplant, like how Tiger Tanaka ordered Bond to undergo cosmetic surgery before he could learn karate in You Only Live Twice.

I could say I'm going to going to give this movie a chance, but why lie?
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post #96 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:41pm
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Was the avatar supposed to blend in with the other aliens? Because I'd think that dressing him up in human-esque clothes and an assault rifle probably makes him a bit easy to tell apart from the rest.
No. Their mission on Pandora is not to blend in with the Navi. These aliens are considered a nuisance to the humans. But they use the navi/human hybrid bodies to move around the dense jungle, cause these have evolved into perfect inhabitants of the environment.

But of course Worthington's character gets mixed up with the natives and there you go.
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post #97 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
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There are old and credible chewers in here who has seen the comic-con footage and who were impressed and awed by what they saw. After a few minutes you get used to the look of the Navi and don't think about it and you easily buy into the story. That's why we really need just one extended scene with dialogue to convince us of this. I guess we'll see that in a full trailer eventually.
Have you actually seen the comic-con footage, or are you just making gigantic inferences based on what a few other chewers have reported? I hate being told that I have to give something a chance and that my initial reactions to something are BS because I didn't look at it a certain way or see a bunch of footage barely anyone has seen.

I mean, not that my initial reactions are bad at all. As far as trailers go, this one was not effective for me. But that was purely on the basis of how the trailer was put together, not because I hated the content. I thought it looked really neat, criticisms of the choice to put Sam in a wheelchair aside.
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post #98 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:43pm
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Was the avatar supposed to blend in with the other aliens? Because I'd think that dressing him up in human-esque clothes and an assault rifle probably makes him a bit easy to tell apart from the rest.
How does he miraculously know how to speak their language? Or how does a human mind conditioned to operating a human body (A paralised one no less) suddenly know how successfully operate an alien body after being transplanted?

Did the Na'vi, in a stroke of miraculous coincidence, manage to independently develop a language virtually indeciferable from contemporary english?

Suspension of disbelief, it's the magic of cinema folks.
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post #99 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:45pm
Bah, they obviously share the same root language that let's Milo...er, Jake, speak after a rapid scene of them using intermediate languages to try to communicate.
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post #100 of 367
8/20/09 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
No. Their mission on Pandora is not to blend in with the Navi. These aliens are considered a nuisance to the humans. But they use the navi/human hybrid bodies to move around the dense jungle, cause these have evolved into perfect inhabitants of the environment.

But of course Worthington's character gets mixed up with the natives and there you go.
This is something of a sore point with me. Why go to the trouble of investing in a huge biotech endevour to create clone bodies/mind transferance if infiltration isn't your goal? Why would the military care if they blended in or were the best suited to the environment when they have lots of guns and fancy suits and stuff? You'd think being in power armour for the explicit purpose of ridding themselves of a nuissance like the Na'vi would work better than investing billiions into cloning technology. I dunno, is there more of a reason than what you stated for why they are bothering with this?
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