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post #1 of 129
8/25/09 at 3:34pm
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/20...ILM/Page1.html
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post #2 of 129
8/25/09 at 3:42pm
Christopher Nolan should make a movie about your paranoid fantasy world where there is a legion of rabid Nolan fanboys.
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post #3 of 129
8/25/09 at 3:56pm
"Middle of the road talent?" Jesus. Despite your distain for how much many others love his films, that's a bit harsh.

Different strokes, I suppose.
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post #4 of 129
8/25/09 at 3:58pm
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The premise of a movie is not now nor ever has been a spoiler... except when the premise is the big reveal, as in The Matrix. But nothing I have seen about Inception tells me that the dream warriors idea is a reveal; rather it's the basic set-up of the world, and then there's stuff that happens that sets a larger plot in motion.
That's because it hasn't been revealed yet. Except in these "spoilers".
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post #5 of 129
8/25/09 at 3:59pm
Nice. I like Dreamscape.
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post #6 of 129
8/25/09 at 3:59pm
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I don't know what that post means.
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post #7 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:00pm
Sounds great to me. I can't wait.
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post #8 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:11pm
Who doesn't like Dreamscape? I wish they'd open this the same day as the Elm Street remake. Then you get a horror version and a "classy" version for moms.

I dunno. I'm just going to blindly defend this one all the way to opening day, Avatar style, just to keep things fresh for me.
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post #9 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:15pm
Nice baits in that piece.
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post #10 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:16pm
Nolan is the sole writing credit on this one. I wonder how that will turn out. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict "good".
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post #11 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:16pm
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Who doesn't like Dreamscape? I wish they'd open this the same day as the Elm Street remake. Then you get a horror version and a "classy" version for moms.

I dunno. I'm just going to blindly defend this one all the way to opening day, Avatar style, just to keep things fresh for me.
Sorry, I was talking to Darkmite.
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post #12 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:17pm
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I don't know what that post means.
No one's watched the film played out yet. These rumors could be VERY spoilery.

If I summarized THE SIX SENSE to someone who hasn't seen it yet as "By helping a special boy who can see and communicate with the dead, a murdered child psychologist gets a chance to redeem himself, " you wouldn't know certain info is meant to be a major reveal. You know that Patrick Swayze in GHOST is dead all along, so you could assume this is a similar tale.

There's too little info available to decide what's meant to be spoilery IMO. I'm not pissed, for the record. But I've had Netflix summaries do this kind of damage (not saying that you have in this case). The mailer envelope for Labute's SHAPE OF THINGS spoiled the ending for me.
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post #13 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:18pm
I think he was referring to the Matrix scenario. The plot for Inception hasn't been revealed yet. So that post, even if it only mentions the basic plot, could be considered spoilery.

At least that's how i read Darkmite's post.

Edit: Or how about i just let Darkmite explain himself?. Boy that Inception movie sure does look great!
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post #14 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:19pm
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The fact that the movie is set in a world where people can go into people's dreams is not a reveal in the film. It's the basic premise. It's not a mystery in the film, like the nature of reality in THE MATRIX. It's like saying that knowing THE DARK KNIGHT is about Batman is a reveal. It's just what the movie is about.
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post #15 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:21pm
I think Devin's probably right and the reveal is early in the film and part of the set-up.
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post #16 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:23pm
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Nice baits in that piece.
The internet: where having a minority opinion is 'bait.'
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post #17 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:24pm
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Nolan is the sole writing credit on this one. I wonder how that will turn out. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict "good".
Considering the last movie he had sole writing credit on was Memento, I'd have to agree with you.

Although I'd be happy if his brother was involved as well.
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post #18 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
The internet: where having a minority opinion is 'bait.'
having an inaccurate "opinion" about something that can be determined by facts and figures might be called bait...

honestly... nolan is middle of the road? memento, the prestige, following? say what you will about the guy, those are not middle of the road films. at WORST they're alot better than average.
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post #19 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:26pm
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The fact that the movie is set in a world where people can go into people's dreams is not a reveal in the film. It's the basic premise. It's not a mystery in the film, like the nature of reality in THE MATRIX. It's like saying that knowing THE DARK KNIGHT is about Batman is a reveal. It's just what the movie is about.
But considering the source is secondhand (and not official) we don't know WHEN this premise is presented in the film. But (I will concede) that the article linked says "In a nutshell, the source says “Inception” takes place in a world where we have developed a means by which we can enter people’s dreams.", so I'm guessing that setup is fairly early. But if they have been so tightlipped, who's to say?

I can imagine the trailer VO already (RIP Don LaFontaine): "In a world where..."

EDIT: I probably wouldn't have batted an eye if the incontention article didn't have such a secret agent tone.
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post #20 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:31pm
Incep-tards?

Tenuous. I'll bow out for now.

The fact Phil's on board suggests a winner.
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post #21 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:32pm
Devin, the more I think about it , the more the "middle of the road talent" gets under my skin. Memento is the film I have seen teh most times in theaters. I saw it 6 times over all, and I would not have done that if it were the product of a "middle of the road talent". Can you justify what leads you to call him that? What is he, the Tim Story of batman movies for crying out loud??
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post #22 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:34pm
<George Costanza voice> Princess Kate is getting upset!
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post #23 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:39pm
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Incep-tards?

Tenuous. I'll bow out for now.

The fact Phil's on board suggests a winner.
Incepticons.

I have no horse in this race. I thought the trailer was kind of neat, though.
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post #24 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:49pm
Did Nolan beat you up as a kid Devn?

Just curious did you review The Dark Knight because I can't seem to find it under the review section
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post #25 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:50pm
I liked the trailer a lot, though I'm waiting to see a little more before I make up my mind on this. The plot sounds potentially interesting (though if handled badly could be a big mess), but I think everyone could do with chilling out a little and waiting until we know more. The fact that a film is being attacked and defended this early on seems kind of silly.

Princess Kate, I think, might need to go and have a little lie down.
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post #26 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:51pm
I got chewed the fuck out by readers for saying Michelle Rodriguez died at the beginning of Fast and Furious in my Blu-ray review, even though her death is the thrust of the plot, and available information all over the place. Even sillier a reader got mad at me for spoiling the shocking fact that Jason's mom was the killer in the first Friday the 13th. People are so spoiler-phobic these days, and it's really childish, especially considering we all know they're gonna click on every news item they can concerning a new film they're excited about, even the ones with spoiler alerts.

Wasn't Dreamscape the first PG-13 movie? Maybe they'll use Inception as an excuse to finally break out some kind of R-lite rating.
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post #27 of 129
8/25/09 at 4:59pm
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Wasn't Dreamscape the first PG-13 movie? Maybe they'll use Inception as an excuse to finally break out some kind of R-lite rating.
It was the second. 'Red Dawn' was the first.
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post #28 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:00pm
Red Dawn
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post #29 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:04pm
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Princess Kate, I think, might need to go and have a little lie down.
Nah I am ok now. I just could not let that pretty baseless remark stand without doing what I could to refute it. Now that I have seen others are calling Devin on it too I feel less preasure to get worked up about it.
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post #30 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:05pm
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It was the second. 'Red Dawn' was the first.
Well crap.
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post #31 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:08pm
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I got chewed the fuck out by readers for saying Michelle Rodriguez died at the beginning of Fast and Furious in my Blu-ray review, even though her death is the thrust of the plot, and available information all over the place.
Which is exactly what the "Massive spoiler" for Inception appears to be as well. So...fuck it. You didn't do anything wrong.
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post #32 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
The internet: where having a minority opinion is 'bait.'
"Nolan's an average director" is a minority opinion, but if after Memento, The Prestige and The Dark Knight you still think he's an average director(and you made you case times and times again), I really wonder if you'll ever see Nolan as something else, no matter the quality of his future movies. I know your piece are opinions, but still...
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post #33 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:35pm
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"Nolan's an average director" is a minority opinion, but if after Memento, The Prestige and The Dark Knight you still think he's an average director(and you made you case times and times again), I really wonder if you'll ever see Nolan as something else, no matter the quality of his future movies. I know your piece are opinions, but still...
It is just insane to say he is average. Look at all the movies that come out, rank them, and find if there are just as many movies that are better than memento as there are worse than memento. No? then he is not average. CASE CLOSED
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post #34 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:36pm
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The Internet: the only place THE PRESTIGE is seen as more than a trifle.
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post #35 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:40pm
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The Internet: the only place THE PRESTIGE is seen as more than a trifle.
You're TRYING to get people mad. The prestige is such a cool film on so many levels, if for no other reason (although there are so many reasons to like the film, not the least of which is christian bales amazing work) than it helped bring Tesla to the attention of many in this country. That despicable thief Edison will hopefully be left out of more text books in the future as a result of this film

Oh, and Devin? I showed my mom the prestige and she liked it. Hardly a triffle
Also many older folks at the place I work say how good a movie it is, so you are not giving an accurate picture of reality when you say only the internet likes it
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post #36 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:44pm
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The Internet: the only place THE PRESTIGE, THE FOUNTAIN, WATCHMEN, DRAG ME TO HELL, etc etc are seen as more than trifles.
Adjusted.
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post #37 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:46pm
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It was the second. 'Red Dawn' was the first.
Wasn't the PG-13 rating basically created because of Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom? My memory could be off.

On another note, yeah, I don't get the 'Nolan/middle of the road talent' thing that Devin went on about it either. Even if you didn't care for the Batman movies, Memento and The Prestige were 'middle of the road'? No sir, they were better than the average studio thriller. In fact, they're both pretty damn good movies. What's middle of the road about a big studio-friendly filmmaker that makes great, crowd pleasing films that don't suck or require you to 'leave your brain at the door'?

In my view, Nolan is the 1980's Robert Zemeckis/Richard Donner, rolled into one.
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post #38 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:48pm
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Wasn't the PG-13 rating basically created because of Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom? My memory could be off.

On another note, yeah, I don't get the 'Nolan/middle of the road talent' thing that Devin went on about it either. Even if you didn't care for the Batman movies, Memento and The Prestige were 'middle of the road'? No sir, they were better than the average studio thriller. In fact, they're both pretty damn good movies. What's middle of the road about a big studio-friendly filmmaker that makes great, crowd pleasing films that don't suck or require you to 'leave your brain at the door'?

In my view, Nolan is the 1980's Robert Zemeckis/Richard Donner, rolled into one.
It's like your post defines what a middle of the road film/filmmaker is - DONNER! - and then says 'I don't understand why this is middle of the road.'

There's nothing wrong with middle of the road. Some people just seem to think middle of the road is genius. It's just competent.

And THE PRESTIGE is very average.
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post #39 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:50pm
I'm only here to applaud the use of the word "jihad-worthy". It rubbed me the right way.
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post #40 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:53pm
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It's like your post defines what a middle of the road film/filmmaker is - DONNER! - and then says 'I don't understand why this is middle of the road.'

There's nothing wrong with middle of the road. Some people just seem to think middle of the road is genius. It's just competent.

And THE PRESTIGE is very average.
Hey, I usually agree with your opinions, but on this one about Nolan we'll have to agree to disagree.

I just don't get what's 'meh' about a guy who can make big studio blockbusters, that are also, you know, *good movies*? After a summer of Bay/Sommers/McG, I wish there were *more* Nolans. In fact, there might be: Blomkamp.
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post #41 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:57pm
I'm a fan of Nolan's work and he's earned enough good will for me to trust he knows what he's doing, but I think "middle of the road" is a fairly reasonable tag, the guy has made some really good movies but there's nothing outwardly remarkable about his filmmaking. If Nolan makes a movie, I'll check out what the premise is to gauge how excited I am about it (Inception? Pretty damn excited now), but if guys like Paul Thomas Anderson, Tarantino, Scorsese or Chan-wook Park announce a new film, I've already bought my ticket. Nolan is simply good at what he does, he's not some cineamtic genius, but there's nothing wrong with that.
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post #42 of 129
8/25/09 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by Weasels Rip My Flesh View Post
Nolan is simply good at what he does, he's not some cineamtic genius, .
May I ask (completely non sarcastically) have you ever seen Memento or Following?
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post #43 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:03pm
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May I ask (completely non sarcastically) have you ever seen Memento or Following?
Memento is brilliant, but I'd put it a rung or so below "genius" and comfortably sharing a spot next to Usual Suspects or Seven. A lot of Memento's strengths lie in a strong screenplay, but I don't think any subsequent script from the Nolan's has been as strong as Memento.
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post #44 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:04pm
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It's like your post defines what a middle of the road film/filmmaker is - DONNER! - and then says 'I don't understand why this is middle of the road.'

There's nothing wrong with middle of the road. Some people just seem to think middle of the road is genius. It's just competent.

And THE PRESTIGE is very average.
Oh how I'd love to live in a world where a movie as good as The Prestige is is your average film
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post #45 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:05pm
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Memento is brilliant, but I'd put it a rung or so below "genius" and comfortably sharing a spot next to Usual Suspects or Seven. A lot of Memento's strengths lie in a strong screenplay, but I don't think any subsequent script from the Nolan's has been as strong as Memento.

Fair enough, weasels. The reveal of whats really going on in memento is one of my favorite all time movie moments, adn that film was what really helped break me out of main stream films and to learn about the joys possible when a film or filmaker actually has a brain
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post #46 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:06pm
I like THE PRESTIGE but I can see plenty of room to argue against it. If you're looking to defend Nolan, it's probably not the best film to stand behind.
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post #47 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:06pm
Yes but we are living in a world where competent directors with some flair but also lots of restraint are thin on the ground. I mean we are talking about a world where a movie world where a secret ops talking hamster movie has made over a 100 million dollars.

Also Nolan knows how to assemble a cast and get god work across the board, say what you will about his plot construction, but he knows how to get actors to sell it. And speaking of competent directors with a bit of flare I think Favreau is in the exact same boat as Nolan, a very average guy who can get a lot from his actors.
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post #48 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:07pm
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Memento is brilliant, but I'd put it a rung or so below "genius" and comfortably sharing a spot next to Usual Suspects or Seven. A lot of Memento's strengths lie in a strong screenplay, but I don't think any subsequent script from the Nolan's has been as strong as Memento.
None of his subsequent movies have been written solely by Chris Nolan either.

I would say The Prestige is the closest we've come to the quality of Memento's screenplay.
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post #49 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:09pm
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You guys all know that MEMENTO was based on a story by his brother, right? This 'solely by' thing is BS.

And Sharpel007, please learn some movie history. Cinema has always been filled with shit movies, with some competent directors making OK to above average films and then a handful of true geniuses doing something different. Today is no different from 1939 or 1975.
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post #50 of 129
8/25/09 at 6:11pm
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You guys all know that MEMENTO was based on a story by his brother, right? This 'solely by' thing is BS.

And Sharpel007, please learn some movie history. Cinema has always been filled with shit movies, with some competent directors making OK to above average films and then a handful of true geniuses doing something different. Today is no different from 1939 or 1975.
I knew that was the case devin. Also, my dad was alive in 1939 and let me assure you today is much different movie wise, as he will tell you.
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