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post #101 of 113
9/1/09 at 3:02am
I've been listening to both BIA and RR non-stop pretty much during the past week. There are a couple of tracks on BIA that are just filler but the rest of it is strong enough to justify it's reputation. RR has a terrific opener in Tarot Woman and an absolutely badass closing set of Stargazer and Light in the Black, the rest is pretty standard, I really only enjoy those three songs on the album.
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post #102 of 113
9/1/09 at 3:26am
In fairness I think I owe Rising another listen. I'm not at all a Metal fan however aspects of the album have stuck with me.
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post #103 of 113
9/1/09 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Dragon Ma View Post
RR has a terrific opener in Tarot Woman and an absolutely badass closing set of Stargazer and Light in the Black, the rest is pretty standard, I really only enjoy those three songs on the album.
Track 3, 'Starstruck', is always in my rotation as well. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with you that the other two are good but unremarkable songs.
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post #104 of 113
9/3/09 at 1:05am
The lizard part of my brain that still has a childlike affection for Jim Steinman and Wagnarian rock was very pleased by "Tarot Woman." That is all I have gotten to thus far.
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post #105 of 113
9/3/09 at 3:12pm
Some quick thoughts:

DaveB and whiskey basically said what I would say. The styles represented by these just really aren't my cuppa.

I dug the keyboards on Rainbow, hated the sax And glossy production on Supertramp. As a former sax player, I really don't like sax in over-produced rock. The exception is the late, great Morphine.

I have more affection for the Supertramp due to familiarty. They were the first band I ever saw in concert, and I remember having a good time, but I was 9 or 10 years old.

Anyway, this is fun. Can't wait for the next picks.
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post #106 of 113
9/3/09 at 3:27pm
Regarding the Supertramp, I knew the hits, and appreciated the deeper album cuts (especially the opener), but if I want the kind of whimsical hyperpop that they represent (to me), I'll go with ELO every time.
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post #107 of 113
9/3/09 at 3:30pm
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As a former sax player, I really don't like sax in over-produced rock. The exception is the late, great Morphine.
Morphine over-produced? Madness! Most of their best stuff is just bass, drums, vocals, and sax (sometimes overdubbed a couple times).
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post #108 of 113
9/3/09 at 3:31pm
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NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING wrong with ELO, Matt. Good to see another fan of theirs out there.
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post #109 of 113
9/3/09 at 3:36pm
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Morphine over-produced? Madness! Most of their best stuff is just bass, drums, vocals, and sax (sometimes overdubbed a couple times).
Whoops, yeah I worded that extremely poorly. Morphine is about the only place* I like sax in rock/pop context, regardless of production. Morphine is definitely not overproduced, if anything it's super-spare. Maybe a bit of echo and reverb, and, like you said, some overdubs.

*I'm sure you and I could name dozens more exceptions. A couple of TVOTR songs come to mind, but even there, I just find the sax tolerable. In Morphine, I love it.
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post #110 of 113
9/3/09 at 3:44pm
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NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING wrong with ELO, Matt. Good to see another fan of theirs out there.
ELO and the Jeff Lynne-produced Tom Petty/Traveling Wilburys stuff are actually pretty great. ELO less so (it's a bit too over the top for me to take in large doses), but still good.

On a general production style note, it took me a long time to get over my reactionary dislike of the slick sound of bands like ELO. So, for example, it took real effort for me to begin to appreciate something like The Soft Bulletin when my initial reaction was, "What the hell is this Todd Rundgren meets Beach Boys shit? Where's the loud, distorted guitar? I want my old, messy Flaming Lips back!" Half a dozen listens later, and I loved it. It's a beautiful record.
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post #111 of 113
9/3/09 at 4:17pm
Having been a fan of The Move, and Roy Wood's original version of ELO, I have real trouble with the Jeff Lynne version of the group. And I friggin hate Lynn's production on Petty and the Wilburys.
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post #112 of 113
9/3/09 at 5:04pm
Never been a fan of Supertramp, and always hated saxophones, so Supertramp's Breakfast in America was starting pretty low in my expectations. I didn't end up loving it, but it's well made, and made me understand why Judas putted it there.

Matt's right, ELO is better at it.
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post #113 of 113
9/3/09 at 9:14pm
I like that this conversation has taken at turn towards ELO, since they are absolutely one of my favorite bands. Considering the other bands on that list are the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Big Star and the Kinks I have no problem with Lynne's production.
But I don't think it's totally fair to compare Supertramp to ELO. I think Lynne was going for a more overblown, orchestra-heavy version of what the Beatles did, while Supertramp seems to be going for a more straightforward pop-rock sound (my opinion being based entirely on BiA). Supetramp gets a lot heavier than ELO ever did, while I can't think of anything on BiA that can compete with ELO's classical/rock music style.
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