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post #51 of 76
8/26/09 at 4:12pm
The fact that somebody is combing through the thousand of replies on her posts for these type of comments is disturbing in of itself.
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post #52 of 76
8/26/09 at 4:18pm
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Misspelling utopia...awesome...
I may be mistaken but I think that was a deliberate spelling. Something along the lines of a "European Socialist Utopia."

And is it too soon?

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I'm sick and tired of my generation getting blamed for the state of the planet. I'm sick of my generation getting called the TV generation. "Well all you guys do is watch TV." What did you expect!? We watched Lee Harvey Oswald get shot live on TV one Sunday morning, we were afraid to change the fucking channel for the next thirty years. "This show sucks." "Yeah, but somebody might get shot during the commercial. Now hang on!"

That's what's wrong with this country. We always shoot the wrong guys. We shoot JFK, we shoot RFK, and it comes to Teddy, we go, "Ahh, leave him alone. He'll fuck it up himself, no problem. You know?" Biggest target in the whole God damn Kennedy family. He weighs about seven thousand pounds. You could shoot a bullet in Los Angeles and hit him in the ass in Boston five minutes later. He'd be standing on the lawn at the Kennedy compound going, "Ah Ah Ah Ah There's a bullet in my ass. Ah Ah ah ah"

Ted Kennedy. Good senator, but a bad date. You know what I'm saying, folks? One of those guys who gets home at four o'clock in the morning and goes, "What did I forget? Oh! The fucking girl! What's the matter with me? Jesus, where are my pants!? Holy shit!"
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post #53 of 76
8/26/09 at 4:22pm
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And the cuntin' continues. Way to ruin Ted Kennedy's death!
"Still cuntin' " would make a great t-shirt.

Do I care Ted nominally killed someone in a drunken car accident? Yes but he has done some real good with his life and nothing I say or do can absolve him in his role for the death nor will any sort of justice be served because of any disdain I may have. The outrage itself is directed more at who he is and what his politics are than the actual deed itself IMHO.
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post #54 of 76
8/26/09 at 5:27pm
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Do I care Ted nominally killed someone in a drunken car accident? Yes but he has done some real good with his life and nothing I say or do can absolve him in his role for the death nor will any sort of justice be served because of any disdain I may have. The outrage itself is directed more at who he is and what his politics are than the actual deed itself IMHO.
It's not so much the fact that he made a terrible mistake and caused an accident (though that's bad enough), it's that the girl apparently survived for two hours trapped in the car and then died largely because Kennedy didn't do everything he could to contact the authorities immediately. I don't really have too much of a problem with his political history, and he accomplished a lot of good, but simply brushing aside the accident isn't particularly fair either.
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post #55 of 76
8/26/09 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
It's not so much the fact that he made a terrible mistake and caused an accident (though that's bad enough), it's that the girl apparently survived for two hours trapped in the car and then died largely because Kennedy didn't do everything he could to contact the authorities immediately. I don't really have too much of a problem with his political history, and he accomplished a lot of good, but simply brushing aside the accident isn't particularly fair either.
Indeed. Its one thing if the girl died in the crash while Ted called the cops and waited on the side of the road for them to arrive, but its entirely something else to flee the scene and not hit three buttons on the phone.
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post #56 of 76
8/26/09 at 6:04pm
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Indeed. Its one thing if the girl died in the crash while Ted called the cops and waited on the side of the road for them to arrive, but its entirely something else to flee the scene and not hit three buttons on the phone.

Not quite sure if 9-1-1 existed back in 1969. He probably only needed to dial one number. Please note dial, not button.
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post #57 of 76
8/26/09 at 6:26pm
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Not quite sure if 9-1-1 existed back in 1969. He probably only needed to dial one number. Please note dial, not button.
Well, touche on two counts.
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post #58 of 76
8/26/09 at 7:12pm
Anyone who would bring up Chappaquiddick as the headline behind Kennedy's death is an aloof cunt.

To think, if the 'pubs and bluedogs hadn't fucked up Healthcare, Ted would've been alive to see that dream realized.
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post #59 of 76
8/26/09 at 7:17pm
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To think, if the 'pubs and bluedogs hadn't fucked up Healthcare, Ted would've been alive to see that dream realized.
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post #60 of 76
8/26/09 at 7:26pm
No it isn't. The administration would've made their August deadline had everyone decided to grow the fuck up. We all know who made that impossible.
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post #61 of 76
8/26/09 at 7:33pm
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No it isn't. The administration would've made their August deadline had everyone decided to grow the fuck up. We all know who made that impossible.
Yup. The people who approved/created the Na'avi design in Avatar.
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post #62 of 76
8/26/09 at 7:39pm
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Yup. The people who approved/created the Na'avi design in Avatar.
Attempted wit=FAIL. That is representative of the discourse on the subject, however -- random, completely unrelated topics dragged out to make a cheap point. But there's a thread if we wanna get on that stupid merry-go-round again.

I'm just sorry the man wasn't around to see it happen.
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post #63 of 76
8/26/09 at 8:57pm
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I'm just sorry the man wasn't around to see it happen.
Im pretty sure he would have wanted to make sure it was done right as opposed to simply done quickly.
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post #64 of 76
8/26/09 at 9:27pm
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Im pretty sure he would have wanted to make sure it was done right as opposed to simply done quickly.
Kennedy has been working on health care reform since Nixon was president. I'm pretty sure the "done quickly" ship has sailed.
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post #65 of 76
8/26/09 at 9:51pm
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Kennedy has been working on health care reform since Nixon was president. I'm pretty sure the "done quickly" ship has sailed.
But seriously, how long has this been an issue that the President and half of our representatives are trying to push through?
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post #66 of 76
8/26/09 at 10:33pm
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But seriously, how long has this been an issue that the President and half of our representatives are trying to push through?

It was enough of an issue that John Adams and the Congress of 1798 passed an act establishing "relief for sick and injured seaman". What is notable about it is how it was funded: A tax was withheld from a seaman's pay and turned over to the Federal government by the owner of the ship the sailor worked on. When a claim was made by a sailor they would check his name against a registry and issue him a "chit" for admission to a hospital. These hospitals were either private or part of the Federal Maritime Hospital system that was established in the latter parts of that century.
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post #67 of 76
8/26/09 at 10:49pm
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The fact that somebody is combing through the thousand of replies on her posts for these type of comments is disturbing in of itself.
Yeah, people hanging around internet threads desperately looking for shit to gripe about sure is pathetic.
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post #68 of 76
8/26/09 at 10:54pm
Reading the CHUD message boards is morally equivalent to reading Palin's facebook page. Gotcha!
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post #69 of 76
8/26/09 at 11:00pm
Morally equivalent? That's what you're going with?
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post #70 of 76
8/26/09 at 11:57pm
Not for nothing, but I saw a lot of well-respected members of the boards making comments that were equal to or greater what got posted on Palin's board when Jesse Helms and Jerry Falwell died. I hated those guys too, but, you know, let's not get onto our high horse just yet.
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post #71 of 76
8/27/09 at 12:27am
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Not for nothing, but I saw a lot of well-respected members of the boards making comments that were equal to or greater what got posted on Palin's board when Jesse Helms and Jerry Falwell died. I hated those guys too, but, you know, let's not get onto our high horse just yet.
Not everyone deserves a flowery tribute and rousing, inspirational memorials to their legacies. Jesse Helms is a prime example of this. He was a racist piece of shit who used his "power" as a Senator to obstruct, oppress and degenerate millions of Americans. Yeah, Teddy Kennedy fucked up and killed somebody. Tragic, cruel and perhaps even criminal as it were he at least made an effort at contrition and devoted his life to using his seat for the betterment of people. All Helms did was be a massive bigoted douche bag until the day they chucked his ass into the ground. If I could quote what Thompson wrote about another disgraceful human being that best sums up my own feelings on Helms " He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin."

Men like that don't deserve laurels or garlands. They don't deserve to have their memories honored or their names to be hoisted in a chorus of cheers. They deserve to be scorned, loathed and their names spit out like an epithet for all time whenever spoken in conversation.
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post #72 of 76
8/27/09 at 12:30am
Look, I agree about those guys, and I think the comments about Kennedy are terrible. I just thought of it when I saw the outrage.
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post #73 of 76
8/27/09 at 12:38am
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Look, I agree about those guys, and I think the comments about Kennedy are terrible. I just thought of it when I saw the outrage.
It's just a greater issue I have. In our society we seem to have to celebrate everyone's life and tip toe around the issues and "honor" their memories. No..we don't. Death doesn't excuse a lifetime of being an ass or a horrible human being. Just like one mistake, one crime or one failure doesn't define a man.
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post #74 of 76
8/28/09 at 12:55pm
What the hell was Ed Klein thinking???

"Kennedy liked to joke about Chappaquiddick?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaiTipTtbak
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post #75 of 76
8/29/09 at 9:10pm
That's some damn good eulogizing, Mr. President.

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Ted Kennedy was the father who looked after not only his own three children, but John's and Bobby's as well. He took them camping and taught them to sail. He laughed and danced with them at birthdays and weddings; cried and mourned with them through hardship and tragedy; and passed on that same sense of service and selflessness that his parents had instilled in him. Shortly after Ted walked Caroline down the aisle and gave her away at the altar, he received a note from Jackie that read, "On you the carefree youngest brother fell a burden a hero would have begged to be spared. We are all going to make it because you were always there with your love."

We cannot know for certain how long we have here. We cannot foresee the trials or misfortunes that will test us along the way. We cannot know God's plan for us.

What we can do is to live out our lives as best we can with purpose, and love, and joy. We can use each day to show those who are closest to us how much we care about them, and treat others with the kindness and respect that we wish for ourselves. We can learn from our mistakes and grow from our failures. And we can strive at all costs to make a better world, so that someday, if we are blessed with the chance to look back on our time here, we can know that we spent it well; that we made a difference; that our fleeting presence had a lasting impact on the lives of other human beings.

This is how Ted Kennedy lived. This is his legacy. He once said of his brother Bobby that he need not be idealized or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, and I imagine he would say the same about himself. The greatest expectations were placed upon Ted Kennedy's shoulders because of who he was, but he surpassed them all because of who he became. We do not weep for him today because of the prestige attached to his name or his office. We weep because we loved this kind and tender hero who persevered through pain and tragedy - not for the sake of ambition or vanity; not for wealth or power; but only for the people and the country he loved.

In the days after September 11th, Teddy made it a point to personally call each one of the 177 families of this state who lost a loved one in the attack. But he didn't stop there. He kept calling and checking up on them. He fought through red tape to get them assistance and grief counseling. He invited them sailing, played with their children, and would write each family a letter whenever the anniversary of that terrible day came along. To one widow, he wrote the following:

"As you know so well, the passage of time never really heals the tragic memory of such a great loss, but we carry on, because we have to, because our loved one would want us to, and because there is still light to guide us in the world from the love they gave us."

We carry on.

Ted Kennedy has gone home now, guided by his faith and by the light of those he has loved and lost. At last he is with them once more, leaving those of us who grieve his passing with the memories he gave, the good he did, the dream he kept alive, and a single, enduring image - the image of a man on a boat; white mane tousled; smiling broadly as he sails into the wind, ready for what storms may come, carrying on toward some new and wondrous place just beyond the horizon. May God Bless Ted Kennedy, and may he rest in eternal peace.
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post #76 of 76
8/30/09 at 12:20am
His sons' eulogies killed me. Ted Kennedy was one of a kind. He had a kind of passion and presence you just don't see. I heard his speech on raising the minimum wage on Ed Schultz. It's powerful and moving and applies just as much to the health care fight as the wage law in terms of his commitment to working class Americans, those on the "lower rung of the economic ladder." Seriously, it gives me chills. You can watch it here. This was his life's work.
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