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post #1 of 35
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Technically the title is a tad misleading. Noel Gallagher has left the band, and though he's walked once before in the late 90's the fact that this was done so publicly makes me think that he's done for real. I've no doubt the band will try and continue without him, at least for a little while.

I'm sure there's a chorus of "Good" and "Are they still around?" type comments and that's fair enough. For me they were a massive part of my youth. They were the first band I was ever really passionate about. I was there at the beginning of the whole ride, and I don't think I can say that about any of my other favourite bands. So though my tastes had changed and I moved onto other groups, I always held a little soft spot for them.

Their latest cut, "Dig out your Soul" was actually pretty strong I thought. It wasn't world changing, but it was a solid record with intermittent moments of greatness and suggested the band had grown up musically. I don't think they ever really recovered from the damage of the cocaine fuelled disaster that was 'Be Here Now'. A cut that would've been strong had it not been massively overproduced and incredibly long (A bloated 70 something minutes - This is what happens when you spend the record company advance on your drug dealer). Still, it features Johnny Depp playing lead guitar on one track so that's something.

Still, whatever happens, "Fucking In The Bushes" will always be an awesome track.
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post #3 of 35
Eh, they're probably taking some time off to listen to the Beatles catalog remasters to get some inspiration. If it really is over then they went out with their best album since Morning Glory. They'll be back though, just like Black Crowes.
post #4 of 35
They're one of my great guilty pleasures: I just love the big, dumb guitar hooks, gargled Manc vocals, and the spot-the-ripoff songwriting (regarding them as just ripping off The Beatles is an oversimplification: there's dozens of lifted licks and lyrics from all over the place).

Frankly, I'd always wondered what kept Noel hanging around in the first place: he's no worse a singer than his brother.
post #5 of 35
One of those bands that have always annoyed me. I'll never understand why they were so huge in the U.K. throughout the '90s.

Boring with a capital B.

Give me Coldplay over Oasis any day.
post #6 of 35
They were big because they were working class at a time when a lot of bands seemed very middle class and very segregated from the 'normal' person.
post #7 of 35
Blur should've been as big if not bigger than Oasis...if the world made sense.
post #8 of 35
They're also responsible for Wonderwall. Hopefully one (or all) of them drops dead from drug use so we won't have to suffer through a "triumphant" reunion a few years down the road.

BLUR is a million times better than OASIS ever was. It's a crime they never achieved bigger things.
post #9 of 35
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Originally Posted by Ray Abed View Post
Blur should've been as big if not bigger than Oasis...if the world made sense.
Blur actually won the sales war against Oasis a few times, the band disintergrated due to Alex James, Graham Coxon and Damon Albarn all being interested in doing different, diverget, things.
post #10 of 35
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Indeed, and there was never really a 'War'. But both groups played that game because it was good for record sales. Noel and Alex James are still friends, and Noel's had nothing but praise for Graham Coxon. The issue was down to Liam, Damon and Lisa Moorish. Silly people.

And though Blur developed into a pretty interesting band, their early work is nigh on un listenable for me. Though I am interested in seeing what they do when they get back in the Studio.
post #11 of 35
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They're also responsible for Wonderwall. Hopefully one (or all) of them drops dead from drug use so we won't have to suffer through a "triumphant" reunion a few years down the road.
Or at least gets marooned on a mysterious island.
post #12 of 35
However you feel about the music, it cannot be denied that they were always an entertaining interview. Here's a few choice Liam quotes:

On conquering America: “Americans want grungy people stabbing themselves in the head onstage. They get a bright bunch like us, with deodorant on, they don’t get it.”

On Keith Richards and George Harrison: “They’re jealous and senile and not getting enough fucking meat pies.”

On the Oasis live experience: “You’ve seen one of our gigs, you’ve seen ‘em all.”

Bless.
post #13 of 35
One of my long standing dreams is to have enough money to get the Gallaghers, Lars Ulrich, and Scott Stapp all in one room, have a lively, yet congenial debate about the state of modern music, excuse myself to the restroom, walk outside, and nerve gas the shit out of all four of 'em.
post #14 of 35
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Originally Posted by Ray Abed View Post
Blur should've been as big if not bigger than Oasis...if the world made sense.
And Neko Case should be bigger than Kelly Clarkson. This is the nature of pop culture: the more easily digested will always sell better.
post #15 of 35
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And Neko Case should be bigger than Kelly Clarkson. This is the nature of pop culture: the more easily digested will always sell better.
Kelly Clarkson has got more talent in her left pinky than Oasis have in their whole body.

As for the Neko Case comparison, I like her and all, but I'd rather listen to Clarkson.
post #16 of 35
It's not like Blur were some overlooked band that languished in obscurity. They were one of the most iconic and popular bands of the 90's, and their recent reunion show they're still massively popular today.

Debate about Oasis has always been coloured by a lot of non-musical factors: the hype, the popularity, the personalities, the Beatles comparisons, that manufactured and stupid Blur rivalry etc. I think they were ok; too limited and samey to be that interesting to me but with a decent roster of excellent pop rock songs. If they're really gone for good (which I doubt) it's no great loss but their catalogue as it stands has its place in the world.
post #17 of 35
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Oh they're not really gone. Noel has walked but I've no doubt the band will carry on.

And though I've not really listened to them in a long time I thought the most recent album was very solid, and shown that they were getting out of their musical...sameness.
post #18 of 35
Yeah, Blur are pretty easily digestable up to around 13 (not an insult in my book) and sold tons of records.

The clichéd smartass (and right) thing to say is that PULP are way better than either of them (admitidely they sold tons of records too.)

The insufferable indie snob thing to say is that Britpop was an ugly reactionary attempt at nostalgia for an age that never existed, and anyway the Auteurs were best of all.
post #19 of 35
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I don't think that any of the bands that were stifled with the 'Britpop' label were ever really Britpop. I think it was just some enterprising people trying to throw a name on everything. The main thing is that none of them sounded the same, though it's true that Blur's earlier stuff was overtly poppy, but then people were even lumping Radiohead in with that.

It just seemed that if you were British and in a Band at that time then that was it, you were Britpop.
post #20 of 35
I think that's partly true but these things end up as self-fulfilling prophecies to a pretty large degree, i.e. after the hype started there were plenty of bands trying to fit into a pretty well defined standard of what a Britpop band is (short melodic songs, worshipping a certain canon of quintessentially "british" bands like the Kinks, Madness, The Jam, etc.) Blur and Oasis did more than enough to foster said hype, too. And the most popular music from that era certainly stands out from the shambling Indie and Dance-influenced Madchester stuff that preceded it.
post #21 of 35
To my ears, Blur never made a bad album. Oasis had two good albums, their first (and best) and second.
post #22 of 35
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As for the Neko Case comparison, I like her and all, but I'd rather listen to Clarkson.
Well, there's clearly millions that agree with you on that one.
post #23 of 35
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Elvis Costello:
Noel is deluded about a lot of things, most obviously that he is a songwriter at all. That he even brackets himself in the same sentence as Paul is laughable. You have to keep these boys in line!
That kind of sums it up for me.
post #24 of 35
In honour of this news I've been listening to some classic Blur.

At least they were an actual fucking original band instead of a glorified cover act.
post #25 of 35
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That kind of sums it up for me.
Given that Costello thinks the same thing of Bruce Springsteen I can't really take him seriously anymore.
post #26 of 35
B-b-b-b-but this!

And also this! (CD2, track 1)

Did Elvis get drunk again? He's been known to say some - ahem - ill advised stuff about fellow musicians....
post #27 of 35
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I know, it was weird actually. I read Costello mouthing off about Springsteen then literally 2 days later that performance happened.

I'm going to need to dig through my old copies of Q magazine now and find the interview.
post #28 of 35
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BLUR is a million times better than OASIS ever was. It's a crime they never achieved bigger things.
Although I do like Oasis to an extent, I would have to agree with this. I would also throw in Charlatans UK with this.

While I think Blur is more artistically relevant, I always thought the Charlatans UK were deserving of more success, and have always prefered them to Oasis. They did kind of rip off The Stone Roses, but since the Stone Roses were fairly short lived, in terms of recorded output, I thought the Charlatans UK kind of picked up the torch and made quite a few solid albums, but they never really caught on here in the states outside of the single for "Weirdo".
post #29 of 35
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Although I do like Oasis to an extent, I would have to agree with this. I would also throw in Charlatans UK with this.

While I think Blur is more artistically relevant, I always thought the Charlatans UK were deserving of more success, and have always prefered them to Oasis. They did kind of rip off The Stone Roses, but since the Stone Roses were fairly short lived, in terms of recorded output, I thought the Charlatans UK kind of picked up the torch and made quite a few solid albums, but they never really caught on here in the states outside of the single for "Weirdo".
I just discovered the Charaltans. Great group. Anyways it is kind of a shame that this happened, Dig Out Your Soul was a really solid album and apparently their live shows on this tour were pretty awesome. Oh well. I can't say I'd be opposed to a Noel Gallagher solo album.
post #30 of 35
If it was 1996 I might have given a shit.
post #31 of 35
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I just discovered the Charaltans. Great group. Anyways it is kind of a shame that this happened, Dig Out Your Soul was a really solid album and apparently their live shows on this tour were pretty awesome. Oh well. I can't say I'd be opposed to a Noel Gallagher solo album.
Charlatans were always on the Fringe and through one thing or another they never quite took off. It's a shame because they put out some great songs. They were heavily influenced by The Stone Roses but developed into their own thing eventually, then it all sort of imploded.
post #32 of 35
How did I miss this? Good riddance to bad rubbish as the Brits would say.

And as a proper shitty accompaniment to the send-off of a shitty band, the radio started playing Evanessence's Going Under.
post #33 of 35
They were the first band I was really into when I was a kid so I feel a tiny bit sad. I remember playing 'Whats the Story...' on a loop for months on end. I think I was about 12 when 'Be Here Now' was released but even then, through my fanatical schoolboy adoration, I could see how shite it was. Boring, overblown endless songs, I don't think there is one decent song on it. I've just looked it up and burst out laughing at the sheer OTT-ness of even the album sleeve:



It killed my love for the band and I moved onto Blur and Pulp etc. However their first two albums still stand up pretty well, especially 'Definitely Maybe'
post #34 of 35
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Ah that bastard child of an album. I don't think the Band really recovered from that. I will ascertain that had all the songs just been radio edits it would've played a lot better. It's probably the most excessive album I've ever heard.

Actually, as Noel summed it up.

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It's the sound of ... a bunch of guys, on coke, in the studio, not giving a fuck. There's no bass to it at all; I don't know what happened to that ... And all the songs are really long and all the lyrics are shit and for every millisecond Liam is not saying a word, there's a guitar riff in there in a Wayne's World style.
post #35 of 35
I hate Oasis,

this is great news.
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