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post #101 of 189
8/31/09 at 1:53pm
I wonder what happens to the Marvel Dubai theme park, does it become a Disney park instead?
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post #102 of 189
8/31/09 at 1:53pm
Didn't disney do Sky High? I liked that film, and their take on the super hero. Not quite as gritty or dark as it might have been, but I dug seeing Kurt Russel ( a home town hero for those of us in Western Massachusetts) get to play a super hero.
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post #103 of 189
8/31/09 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
"Not for kids" and "grim and gritty" aren't remotely the same thing. Why should comic books be just for kids? It's a medium - as someone who draws, you of all people should understand that.
Super hero comics should be mostly aimed at kids. To me, it's pretty sad to see characters that were originally aimed at small children and teenagers, only catering to older "fans" and having no appeal to the audience they were originally meant for.

I do think there are comic book stories and characters that should be aimed for adults, but that shouldn't be the norm. Same goes for animated films, in my opinion.
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post #104 of 189
8/31/09 at 1:59pm
If you left it just at superheroes, fine. But saying comics in general should only cater to kids is weird and backwards.
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post #105 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:00pm
But that's another stupid argument for another stupid thread.
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post #106 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
The California theme parks suck, oh well, not unexpected though. It would have been crazy for Universal to spend all that money on those rides only to have to renew contracts every so many years.

Still, interesting that they didn't want to comment on this. If they're going to be promoting Disney Marvel movies, it's going to be very weird that their merchandise, characters or even trailers won't be shown at their Orlando parks.
They released an in-house message that said pretty much what you'd think -- this doesn't affect our agreement with Marvel, the characters and rides will be here for a long time, etc. But people already think Disney actually owns the Universal parks here. Seeing a Marvel section in the middle of one of the parks with Disney releasing Marvel product is only going to strengthen that misconception. And since Uni sends Marvel a cut of its revenue from Islands of Adventure due to the relationship, now Uni is essentially sending money to Disney. Unreal.
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post #107 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:05pm
edit: Never mind, figured it out :-)
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post #108 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:11pm
Yes.
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post #109 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:14pm
I'm assuming the last film in the Paramount deal will be Iron Man III.
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post #110 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:21pm
Another interesting observation from The Beat Blog:
"Disney has always wanted strong boys properties. They rule the pink world with their princesses, but have had a historic weakness with older boys that they’ve tried to bridge. This is obviously a slam dunk for that."
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post #111 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:21pm
This is great news, totally out of left field but great news.
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post #112 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
Another interesting observation from The Beat Blog:
"Disney has always wanted strong boys properties. They rule the pink world with their princesses, but have had a historic weakness with older boys that they’ve tried to bridge. This is obviously a slam dunk for that."
Disney hoped to hit up the boys with pirates the way they hit up the girls with princesses, but most of the pirate-themed things they tried didn't fare nearly as well as the Disney Princess stuff. Super heroes should fare a whole lot better.
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post #113 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I'm way behind on my comic properties, I guess. I don't recognize much past 1991, which is when I stopped keeping up with most comics.

LONGSHOT, please.
Adapt the mini-series from 85. And get Art Adams to do the designs. I'd be down.
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post #114 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Disney hoped to hit up the boys with pirates the way they hit up the girls with princesses, but most of the pirate-themed things they tried didn't fare nearly as well as the Disney Princess stuff. Super heroes should fare a whole lot better.
There would be less implied rape, scurvy, and body lice, anyhow.
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post #115 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Disney hoped to hit up the boys with pirates the way they hit up the girls with princesses, but most of the pirate-themed things they tried didn't fare nearly as well as the Disney Princess stuff. Super heroes should fare a whole lot better.
Absolutely. We were there in 2006 (the years Pirates 2 hit), and they were pushing that extra-hard, and I observed to my family that very thing. But Pirates didn't work out so well. Very astute noticing this counter-point to the Princess Empire. Speaking of which...MJ for Princess in 2010!

This really does fill that void at the parks, though.
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post #116 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:37pm
I can see Disney being satisfied with the Marvels being in Universal theme parks. It's a nice revenue stream for zero work, and there is no danger of Marvel characters overshadowing Disney icons.

I mean, who will the kids flock to at these parks: Snow White or The Black Widow, amirightguys?
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post #117 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:40pm
It's a win-win for television then. Marvel can't get a good series produced and Disney's programming can't seem to pull in any boys.
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post #118 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:40pm
Then again kids probably would rather take a pic with Spider-Man than Mickey Mouse.
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post #119 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
It's a win-win for television then. Marvel can't get a good series produced and Disney's programming can't seem to pull in any boys.
Actually, the boy numbers for Hannah Montana-esque shows are shockingly high.
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post #120 of 189
8/31/09 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
It's a win-win for television then. Marvel can't get a good series produced and Disney's programming can't seem to pull in any boys.
Actually, Spectacular Spider-Man is pretty good. A friend recommended it, and I got Season 1 for $20 (13 half hour episodes). My 5 year old loved it, and it was decent for an old comic fan like myself. I imagine a third season will get picked up for Disney XD post-haste.
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post #121 of 189
8/31/09 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by First Class 782 View Post
Absolutely. We were there in 2006 (the years Pirates 2 hit), and they were pushing that extra-hard, and I observed to my family that very thing. But Pirates didn't work out so well. Very astute noticing this counter-point to the Princess Empire. Speaking of which...MJ for Princess in 2010!
I'm sure you were kidding around, but it wouldn't hurt for Disney to have some more modern female role models among their characters.

Not Marvel related, but I wonder if they'll try to add Dejah Thoris to the Princess line once Princess of Mars hits.
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post #122 of 189
8/31/09 at 3:40pm
jesus. I go to sleep for 8 hours and all hell breaks loose

Just let me say...AWESOME. As long as Disney keeps its word on not sticking its fingers in the pie so to speak, Marvel should be able to really pump shit out now with the Mouses money behind it

And I can't believe it hasn't been suggested yet but

Inhumans
or an Animated Infinity Gauntlet Saga
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post #123 of 189
8/31/09 at 3:47pm
The prospect of an Incredibles/Marvel crossover, in ANY format or medium, has me drooling.
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post #124 of 189
8/31/09 at 3:53pm
I bet you we see a Marvel Babies/Mitey 'Vengers animated series soon.
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post #125 of 189
8/31/09 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I bet you we see a Marvel Babies/Mitey 'Vengers animated series soon.
Close.

http://superherosquad.marvel.com/
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post #126 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:01pm
Cloak and Dagger?
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post #127 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:02pm
Richard D: yeah, I was kidding. But I am certain Disney will want to use the heroes to appeal to "tomboys" as well as boys.

They have yet to use a Pixar Princess (wrt to JC of Mars), so we'll see. I agree about finding more modern female role models.

At $4B, they'll be leveraging everything they can.
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post #128 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Yeah, my misgiving is actually reverse that - that Marvel may "grim and gritty" up Pixar for fanboys' sake. But I doubt that'll happen. I'm just such a Pixar fan that's my one, only, and unlikely-as-hell concern.
"Incredibles Disassembled"
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post #129 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:12pm
So what do people think about the amount Disney is paying for? Too low, too high? Irrelevant (because they get to fund these projects with even more money)?
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post #130 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I'm way behind on my comic properties, I guess. I don't recognize much past 1991, which is when I stopped keeping up with most comics.
For pedantry's sake, most of the properties we've been talking about are mid-80s or earlier.
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post #131 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
So what do people think about the amount Disney is paying for? Too low, too high? Irrelevant (because they get to fund these projects with even more money)?
I think it's about right, although it's all speculative. We don't know the ceiling yet on superhero movies, or if the moviegoing audience is just fed up with the genre. I don't think they are yet. But it's all about making films that the audience wants to see, and that shows them something they haven't seen done before. I think Marvel's got a lot of properties that meet those criteria.
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post #132 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:20pm
"When You Wish Upon a Star Brand."

That's right.
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post #133 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Now, with Disney owning Marvel - I'd love to see a non-animated weekly superhero show. I think a lower-tier character would be awesome like that.
This would be awesome, if they can't get a Doctor Strange movie off the ground an ABC primetime show following Doctor Strange could be pretty cool. I too have always thought that one of the more mid tier characters in both Marvel and DC could work best on television, Daredevil could also be special if they can pry the rights from Fox's grasp.
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post #134 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I bet you we see a Marvel Babies/Mitey 'Vengers animated series soon.
Well, the DC teens have already been de-aged...

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post #135 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:41pm
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"When You Wish Upon a Star Brand."

That's right.
Great, a superhero who continually wets his pants. Didn't DC sue Marvel for ripping of Green Lantern with this character?
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post #136 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:49pm
Well this is certainly interesting news. Seems like a win-win for everyone, really.
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post #137 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:52pm
I second The Prankster's suggestion for "Howard The Duck" done right in a animated film.
AlthoughI dread the inevitable "Donald/Howard crossover scene....
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post #138 of 189
8/31/09 at 4:54pm
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Well, the DC teens have already been de-aged...
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post #139 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:05pm
I forgot about...

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post #140 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:14pm
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I forgot about...
Which conjures up a question: would Longshot technically be owned by Fox? Longshot was his own character before his very brief tenure with the X-Men.
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post #141 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:15pm

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post #142 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:17pm
I figured the X-Babies fall under Marvel's deal with Fox.
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post #143 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
So what do people think about the amount Disney is paying for? Too low, too high? Irrelevant (because they get to fund these projects with even more money)?
I think it's about right, but considering how much of Marvel's prime film properties are tied up with other studios I don't think Disney got a bargain. Iron Man is a franchise, although not a $4 billion franchise. Without Spider-Man and X-Men, there's potential with everything else, but also risk. If they're not planning on reacquiring Spider-Man and X-Men at some point in the future, I'd be surprised.
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post #144 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:19pm
It's M.O.D.U.C.K.!
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post #145 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
Another interesting observation from The Beat Blog:
"Disney has always wanted strong boys properties. They rule the pink world with their princesses, but have had a historic weakness with older boys that they’ve tried to bridge. This is obviously a slam dunk for that."
Bingo. This is what it all comes down to. There was a piece in, I believe, The Wall Street Journal about a year ago, noting Disney's intent to try to appeal to older boys as well as young and tween girls.

As someone else said: pirates didn't do the trick, but superheroes will.

I also expect more 2nd and 3rd tier Marvel character movies to get fast tracked. I don't doubt now that we'll see a Doctor Strange, Cloak and Dagger or Werewolf By Night movie, sooner rather than later.

Also, very soon, watch for Disney's attempt to try to reacquire film rights to characters that Fox has licensed, like any of the X-Men Universe or the Fantastic Four. They'll try to buy out with big money offers or start legal/court battles.
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post #146 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:47pm
FWIW, I don't believe Disney will be as hands off with Marvel as they are with Pixar. Marvel doesn't have that track record. Or a John Lasseter.

I doubt that they'll interfere with Iron Man at all, after all that franchise is a hit, but I can't imagine that they won't at least look at Captain America and Thor and have input. The Incredible Hulk didn't set the box office on fire, after all.

I'm not suggesting that the movies will turn into a bunch of G-rated pap, but Disney didn't pay $4 billion to have a bunch of redundant management and no input.
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post #147 of 189
8/31/09 at 5:56pm
Pixar should do a Planet Hulk or Civil War movie
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post #148 of 189
8/31/09 at 6:03pm
Though the fact that their statement said they don't plan to change Marvel to conform to the Disney brand, and that Disney owns Miramax which has it's share of adult properties, I can't help but be nervous that Disney will find a way to water down Marvel propertimes.

I'm surprised there isn't more of that concern expressed in this thread amongs the "orgasm in pants" excitement of potential Pixar/Marvel projects. Any reason why not that I'm missing?
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post #149 of 189
8/31/09 at 6:09pm
Well, for me personally I saw Pirates of the Caribbean as a turning point in Disney wanting to appeal to a more upskewed audience and Prince of Persia has a similar tone so hopefully Disney understands that they can be both family friendly and "mature/adult orientated" when the property requires it. Oh course this proberly makes the likely hood of a Blade remake being an R less plausible as well as any future Punisher productions being in even more jeopardy but they at least they've had they're chance in the past.
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post #150 of 189
8/31/09 at 6:19pm
I'm not holding my breath for Son of Satan from Disney anytime soon.

While I don't think Disney is going to directly interfere with Marvel Comics, I wonder if this perhaps affects what creator owned stuff is thrown Marvel's way. I can't see Disney not putting a right of first refusal for film/tv rights in their contracts. I'd wonder if this will affect Marvel Man as well, as I can see Alan Moore suddenly deciding that he doesn't want his name associated with Disney. Certainly if someone wants to stir up shit against Disney the latter issues of Moore's Marvel Man run could be fodder.
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