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CHUD Album of the Month (or so): SINATRA AND JOBIM and LOS LOBOS

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It hadn't originally been my intention, but after tossing around a few ideas for album pairings, the one I came up with happened to have a sort of theme of cultural crossover: both represent a meeting of American, and Latin American, musical styles.

The covers link to the albums on lala.com. Apologies to those outside the U.S. Hopefully the albums are sufficiently well known that they will be readily available from other sources.






My own analyses of the two albums appear below.
post #2 of 39
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FRANCIS ALBERT SINATRA AND ANTONIO CARLOS JOBIM

In 1967, Frank Sinatra was probably the most celebrated entertainer in America: boss of his own record label, a fixture on the charts, film star, powerfully mobbed-up, publicly embraced by the Kennedys. But if Sinatra the businessman was thriving, Sinatra the artist was having his problems. Now in his mid-forties, he had watched the well of standard songs that had been his bread and butter begin to dry up, as The Beatles and Bob Dylan set new parameters for what constituted "popular" music.

Most of his albums of the 60's sound like a man trying too hard: trying to compensate for the beginnings of his voice's inevitable decline, bearing down too hard on the same swing-era material that he'd recorded two or three times already, or attempting to come to terms with modern songwriting (his cover of "Mrs. Robinson" is only the most celebrated of his missteps in that area). There are great individual Sinatra performances sprinkled throughout his albums from this era, but only once did he put together a completely classic album to match his best work from the 50's, and he did that by stepping completely outside anything he'd done in the past.

Composer Antonio Carlos Jobim was a pioneer exporter of Brazilian music in the late 50's and early 60's, and the sensual, jazzy style he helped develop was called Bossa Nova. In 1966, saxophonist Stan Getz had a freak hit with a cover of Jobim's "The Girl From Ipanema," and Sinatra was fascinated by the sound; in particular, he fell in love with the singing of Joao Gilberto (whose wife Astrud, a decided non-professional, had provided the seductive vocal on the single edit of "Ipanema"; her husband was actually the principal vocalist on the album). Joao Gilberto seemed the antithesis of the American tendency for singers to belt tunes out over a big band or electric rock combo; instead, Gilberto's style was a near-whisper of intimacy, with every word given an almost palpable texture. With that new sound in his ears, Sinatra called Jobim, and asked the composer to come to the States and accompany him on a new album.

Stories differ about Jobim's reaction: supposedly he was disappointed to find that he would not be singing much on the album, and was unhappy that Sinatra wanted him to perform on guitar, rather than his signature electric piano. On the other hand, he'd be working with a familiar collaborator, arranger/conducter Claus Ogerman, as well as, obviously, with one of the great voices of the century. Jobim and Ogerman worked up arrangements for seven of Jobim's original compositions, and three American pop standards. They went into the studio with Sinatra and a small orchestra, Jobim on acoustic guitar, and in just a few days cut the entire album live, with virtually no overdubs.

Musically, there's nothing else like it in the Sinatra catalog. The "Ring-A-Ding-Ding" Frank that degenerated into parody over the remaining decades of his life makes no appearance here. Sinatra is placed close to the microphone, the musicians balanced perfectly behind him, and his unmatched breath control and phrasing are put in the service of a quieter, more subtle sound than even his best Capitol recordings had achieved, as intimate as a late-night conversation. He captures the longing of "Ipanema" without ever losing sight of the sheer pleasure the narrator takes in the sight of this beautiful woman, even as she ignores him; "Dindi" is regarded by some listeners as a final plea of love to Mia Farrow (who he would divorce within months); "Once I Loved" brims with both the joy and desperation of the return of a love thought lost. And some of the album's high points come on the Bossa Nova-ized standards, with the nightclub sophistication of "Change Partners," and a performance of "I Concentrate On You" that makes every other version of the song sound coarse.

The standout tracks, though, are Jobim's "How Insensitive", as Sinatra makes vivid that terrible moment when we realize that we can't love someone else the way they love us; and his "Corcovado," with its famous scene-setting opening: "Quiet night of quiet stars / Quiet chords from my guitar / Floating on the silence that surrounds us." It's as evocative a picture of a couple's intimacy, and romance, as any singer has ever given us. And Sinatra was certainly right about one thing: the electric piano that characterizes so many of Jobim's own recordings would have felt cheesy by comparison with the elegant seduction of his gently-chorded classical guitar.

Given the album's commercial and critical success (it was Grammy-nominated for Album of the Year), a second attempt at the collaboration was inevitable. And Sinatra and Jobim did record another album's worth of material a year later. With Eumir Deodato taking over for Ogerman, the sound is a bit bigger, a bit brasher, and Jobim's increased vocal presence actually something of a detriment; the result is spottier than their first pairing. Though a couple of the performances (notably "Wave" and "Triste") rank with Sinatra's greatest, the complete album was never released, the individual tracks being parceled out over the course of a few albums (there actually was an 8-track tape release that was recalled AFTER it had already shipped to stores and been sold to some lucky customers, few of whom agreed to return it; legend has it that Sinatra hated the picture on the cover), and only collected after Sinatra's death.

I realize that there are probably CHUD posters for whom just the title "Girl From Ipanema" is synonymous with "elevator music," and who are going to have trouble getting past that; frankly, that was my attitude years ago, too, and I intend no criticism of anyone for whom that's just too big a hurdle. But if you can overcome that, you'll find an album that is a sunset walk by the sea, an intimate evening with the right beverage and the right partner, where bittersweet regret is salved by the sway of a gentle Brazilian breeze.
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LOS LOBOS: HOW WILL THE WOLF SURVIVE?

For much of the 60's and 70's, pre-Beatles rock and r&b tended to surface as either novelties (see Sha-Na-Na) or embalmed curios (a la Dr. Demento). But in Chicano East Los Angeles, that music remained part of a living culture (just ask Art Laboe, Frank Zappa, or Wolfman Jack), a sound that greeted the Mexican immigrant upon his arrival in the States, and would mesh with the indigenous music of Mexico that still rang in his ears (this is already going on too long, so we won't get into separating the various strands of traditional Mexican music).

The members of Los Lobos met in high school, and by 1986, they had been playing together around east L.A. for nearly a decade, doing weddings and bar gigs; they had previously released a couple of obscure albums of Mexican traditional music, and an EP that only hinted at the blend of diverse styles that the band began to show off on their first Slash Records LP.

The blast of guitar that opens "Don't Worry Baby" is the kind of statement you want a band to make as they open their major-label LP debut. Cesar Rosas' gruff voice is a natural instrument for the blues-based rock he writes, and his guitar soloing in the break is sharp and to the point, reflecting the confidence of years of dues-paying.

"A Matter of Time" is a soul ballad that introduces us to David Hidalgo's gorgeous tenor voice; he and reluctant drummer Louie Perez (none of the other Lobos wanted the job) co-write most of the band's material. Along with "Don't Worry Baby," it also introduces one of the band's main themes: the ache of separation that accompanies the immigrant, migrant-worker lifestyle that is such a large part of the Mexican-American heritage. Here, the narrator is consoling his woman, assuring her that he must leave to find work to support them, but that they will, one way or another, be reunited; alternating verses give us her reaction. It also shows off lyricist Perez' knack for the telling detail: "Speak softly," the singer tells his wife. "Don't wake the baby."

Produced by T-Bone Burnett, How Will The Wolf Survive? is a model of album programming, taking us through the band's wide range of styles, but with every transition feeling like exactly the right one.

From here, the band takes off into the peppy, accordion-driven lament of "Corrido #1," the country-tinged "Our Last Night," and closes out side 1 with the bluesy shuffle "The Breakdown." Here, and throughout the album, Hidalgo's guitar playing is fluid and supple, the ideal complement to Rosas' dirtier, bluesy attack.

And side two might be even better: it kicks off with "I Got Loaded" (also recorded by Robert Cray, among others), a showcase for not only Hidalgo's singing, but sax player Steve Berlin, who left The Blasters after one too many dustups between the Alvin brothers, and became a key member of Los Lobos, serving as de facto co-producer on most of their albums. There's the very trad-sounding "Serenata Notturna," the bittersweet rocker "Evangeline" (what price the heroine's freedom?), Rosas' urgent "I Got To Let You Know," the quiet interlude of the exquisite instrumental "Li'l King of Everything," and going out on the blasting riff of the title song: "All odds are against him / With a family to provide for / The one thing he must keep alive / Will the wolf survive?" Desperation in the words, exhilaration in the music.

Unlike many of their contemporaries, Los Lobos would grow, artistically, over the decades, incorporating influences from War to Curtis Mayfield to the Grateful Dead (Hidalgo was widely rumored to have been approached to replace Jerry Garcia after his death). They recorded with Elvis Costello and Richard Thompson (and Paul Simon, who allegedly claimed some of their work on Graceland as his own), and produced several brilliant albums, peaking with the stunning one-two punch of Kiko and the Lavender Moon and Colossal Head, along with such fascinating side projects as The Latin Playboys, Los Super Seven, and movie soundtrack work (including Desperado).

Though they've never been much of a force on the charts (save their hit cover of "La Bamba" for the film of the same name), Los Lobos continue recording, and their live show is just a furious blast of sweat-filled energy and emotion. The musical sophistication may have come later, but the energy's already here.
post #4 of 39
Very interesting choices Jeb, I highly look forward to both. I hope this thread generates a lot of discussion, I have a number of albums in mind for my picks and now I'm really torn as to whether to go more esoteric or mainstream.
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Funny thing: I've heard alot of Los Lobos over the years, and I've seen them live once (GREAT show), but I've never heard one of their albums all the way through. I look forward to correcting that oversight.

As for Frank, I'm really only a fan of his early work. I'm not familiar with this album, though.

Great picks!

eta: going through the discography of Los Lobos, I now realize that I HAVE heard all of 'Kiko'. That came out when I was working in a music store, and it's a fantastic album as I recall. Now I'm REALLY interested in checking out 'How Will the Wolf Survive'.
post #6 of 39
Interesting picks, and you've set the bar high for the rest of us with one hell of an intimidating intro. I've never listened to Sinatra other than the stuff everyone's heard, and 'Kiko' (AMAZING!) is my only exposure to to Los Lobos, so I'm excited.
post #7 of 39
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Originally Posted by whiskey tango foxtrot View Post
Very interesting choices Jeb, I highly look forward to both. I hope this thread generates a lot of discussion, I have a number of albums in mind for my picks and now I'm really torn as to whether to go more esoteric or mainstream.
Same here. I have a few in mind that are bound to be pretty polarizing, but might stick with those who like them on a first listen, and a few others that will probably appeal more across the board, but probably aren't quite as interesting.

As Judas did, I suspect that Jeb's found a nice balance between accessibility and unfamiliarity. I've heard the Los Lobos album (and it made a relatively good impression, but I've never owned it), but the Sinatra album is entirely new to me.
post #8 of 39
Interesting picks. Hopefully I can actually join in the conversation this month.
post #9 of 39
Yikes.

Great, interesting choices, but:

These two artists are ones that I usually stay far, far away from.
But to have anything less than an open mind right now would be evil, so here I go.

Wish me luck...
post #10 of 39
Same here. I'll dive into these over the big weekend.
post #11 of 39
The Frank Sinatra and Tony Jomib album is totally not my speed but I found it fascinating how influential it was on a number of my favourite acts. The composition and general style of the album is what Ryuichi Sakamoto would eventually adopt and it's kind of fascinating hearing something that is a prototype for that.
post #12 of 39
Nice eclectic picks, Jeb.

I'm not overly familiar with Sinatra, but I dig his vibe. That particular album was a favorite of my grandfather. Curious to sit down with it and see how it plays to my ears.

I haven't listened to Los Lobos since, I don't know, middle school. Even then only tangentially. The tough, slightly older girl in my neighborhood (I was crushing on) was big into them. Ha.

For that one summer, with La Bamba, seemed almost everybody was. Guess they fell back into a niche groove/ cult following.

So, anyway I'm especially excited to give their album a listen.

We should have some good discussions.
post #13 of 39
On first listen, I was completely surprised to find that I like the Sinatra way, way more than the Los Lobos.

The Sinatra record made me want to hang out on a Brazilian patio with a stiff drink, a cigar, and some good company. It was pleasant, but not in a cloying or superficial way. Sinatra's voice really was just a model of control and enunciation. Good stuff, but I don't think it will ever get added to my collection.

The Los Lobos...huh. Even with the interesting cultural mix that the players bring to the table, half the material on the record just seems so safe and dull, no matter how well performed. Every time there would be a hint of an interesting production flourish, I'd perk up, but the more standard "bar band" jams just leave me bored at this point. Maybe it's living in Austin and hearing this style of music ad-nauseum for the last 25 years, I don't know. I didn't hate it, it just doesn't move me at all. A couple of tracks stood out though - Lil' King of Everything (my favorite on the disc) and Will The Wolf Survive, which hints at the more adventurous direction they would take on Kiko*.

*I actually need to re-listen to Kiko - outside of "Kiko and the Lavender Moon" it could be more conventional in reality than I remember it. In which case, oops!
post #14 of 39
It's after the album came out, and probably not relevant, but "Some Nice Things I've Missed" has some great Sinatra-trying-so-hard-to-be-hip covers on it. Specifically the way he swings "Bad Bad Leroy Brown" and the way he pronounces the first syllable in "Sweet Caroline."
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It's interesting to look at Sinatra as an artist seeing as he started off as a popstar, turned into a crooner then built up his own myth. The stories of Sinatra as wanna-be political player and mobbed up entertainer are rife throughout the later part of his life. His collaboration with Jobim is really quite amazing, the songs really conjure up at atmosphere of sitting at the beach, with a lover, watching the sun go down. The rhythmic strumming of Jobim's guitar really gels with the lush orchestration, it's absolutely gorgeous, really. Sinatra doesn't let his voice dominate, it just blends in with the music. It's an absolutely beautiful album. Really nice pick Jeb.

I'm still trying to get ahold of Will the wolf survive, it's not available on ITunes and other sites like lala restrict people from outside the US.
post #16 of 39
I gave the Sinatra album a quick spin over the weekend. I'll need to give it a more thorough listen to really judge it, but my initial impressions are pretty positive. Frank sounds like he's in really top notch form compared to alot of his later output, and his voice really flows nicely with Jobim's guitar. I'm impressed. I DON'T like the orchestration in the background, though...this should have JUST been Sinatra and Jobim, in my opinion.

I'll comment more on it after I listen to it a few more times.
post #17 of 39
I liked the Sinatra album. Judas's right to a point. Sinatra and Jobim are more than enough to make the whole thing, but that's because I'm used to hear the crooner. Here it's a ensemble, and he fits right in. Why the fuck didn't we started this in June. Like said above, it's great music to chill out on the patio with drinks.

Los Lobos... well, it's growing on me, but it's not like Supertramp. I'm not loving it, but there's a couple of good tracks, enough to go check out some more Lobos albums.

Like Eyeball, I fully expected to like Lobos and find Sinatra so-so, but it's a real surprise that it's the exact opposite.
post #18 of 39
Martin: I haven't heard THIS Los Lobos album in its entirety yet, but I can certainly vouch for the quality of 'Kiko'. Check that one out if you're going to investigate the band's catalog further.
post #19 of 39
I managed to listen to 'Will the wolf survive?' and thought it wasn't bad, a nice mix of rock'n'roll, tex mex, country and other influences. 'Don't worry, baby' was a real. good, bluesy opener, tracks like 'Corrido #1' and 'Serenato Seranata' just gave me a weird Pogues vibe. It was ok, It'll probably grow on me with more listens.
post #20 of 39
Before being completely consumed by Beatlemania, I bought a used copy of Los Lobos' Will The Wolf Survive? last weekend. I only got one listen in, but I loved it! The opening track is my favorite; clever guitar work and blending of musical styles.

My grandfather has the Sinatra record, but i haven't gotten to it yet. (I found it in the basement-scratched and dusty, but hopefully alright)
post #21 of 39
OK, I've listened to the Los Lobos album a few times now. It's a good, safe start for a band that would evolve into something much stronger. There isn't a bad song on the album, but none of them really stand out with a big WOW factor.

I'm really impressed with just how tight and polished the band already sounds on this recording, though.

Jeb: it's a great pick, but I really think that people would have been more blown away by 'Kiko'. THAT album is a revelation.
post #22 of 39
I've listened to the Sinatra/Jobim album all the way through 3 times now. It's really grown on me, and my initial knee-jerk reaction to the orchestration was in error: it really works well, enhancing the vocals and the guitarwork rather than providing a distraction.

I'm really impressed with Frank's singing on here. He's very assured and low key, going for a smoother approach rather than his usual LARGER THAN LIFE approach that causes me to dislike alot of his later material.

Picking a song to listen to here and there really doesn't do this album justice: the songs ebb and flow nicely into a cohesive package that really deserves to be listened to straight through.

I can't wait to lay out on the beach with the wife and listen to this album with a few cocktails. 'Songs for Swinging Lovers' WAS, in my opinion, Frank's best album. I may have to re-evaluate that opinion after a few more listens. Thanks, Jeb.
post #23 of 39
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OK, I've listened to the Los Lobos album a few times now. It's a good, safe start for a band that would evolve into something much stronger. There isn't a bad song on the album, but none of them really stand out with a big WOW factor.
Maybe it's that it was the first Los Lobos song I ever heard (on SNL, I think), but I love the title track. I enjoyed the rest of the album, and it remains pretty much as I remembered it (good, but not something I absolutely need to own), but as soon as that song started, my ears really perked up. It's kind of one of the quintessential L.A. bar band anthems that bands like Lone Justice, the Blasters, the Long Ryders were putting out at the time (and X a tiny bit later when Dave Alvin joined). I really need to own a copy of that song, at least.

I was only able to give the Sinatra/Jobim album one listen, and I suspect it merits more. It seems to me like a background music album, thus it was hard to get a real handle on it. I liked it, though.
post #24 of 39
That's interesting.

For me, the title track is great, but the opener "Don't Worry Baby" is the most musically interesting and assured.

I think they're more than just a bar band (I know that's not what you're saying), but cutting edge with the blending of styles. I'm kind of reminded of the same period Dwight Yoakam, in that the sound is all at once a throwback and fresh and unique.
post #25 of 39
Don't Worry is a great bluesy opener. kinda reminds me of SRV.
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That's interesting.

For me, the title track is great, but the opener "Don't Worry Baby" is the most musically interesting and assured.

I think they're more than just a bar band (I know that's not what you're saying), but cutting edge with the blending of styles. I'm kind of reminded of the same period Dwight Yoakam, in that the sound is all at once a throwback and fresh and unique.
Yeah, certainly. It's just that the one song really epitomizes a particular style very well. If "Don't Worry" evokes SRV, "Will the Wolf Survive" explores territory that is by no means "new," but that's more of a product of synthesis, in general - it doesn't rely so much on emulation. It's definitely not free from comparison, but I think the key is that other songs in that style must be compared to it, rather than it to them.

I mean I wouldn't go so far as to call it innovative, especially considering that the band put out stuff later that's even more removed from the blues, Tex-Mex, early rock'n'roll stuff that informs How Will the Wolf Survive?. But it's the song that sounds the least like homage to me.

Although, interestingly, the way that they combine styles throughout is singular enough that I can hear aspects of their sound in Calexico and it sounds like Los Lobos, not merely a different combination of shared influences. This was something of a revelation to me on this listen.
post #27 of 39
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Great comments, guys. Glad to see that the Sinatra wasn't so far afield that people couldn't get into it.

And while I agree that Los Lobos just went from strength to strength after this album (Kiko and The Lavender Moon is, indeed, a great album, and I like 1996's Colossal Head even better), the mixture of flavors on this debut has its own special appeal.
post #28 of 39
2 follow-up comments:

Los Lobos: If nothing else, I'm glad that Jeb's selection caused me to go and get 'Kiko' again. I hadn't heard it in over 10 years, and it's STILL just as good as I remember it. I'll give 'Colossal Head' a spin sometime too, Jeb.

Sinatra/Jobim: It was a beautiful evening yesterday, so my wife and I had steak and mojitos out on our deck with this album playing in the background. Yeah, it was pretty damn perfect.
post #29 of 39
Once again, Dave nails it. I generally dislike SRV and Tex-Mex blues, so the first part of the Los Lobos was a bit of a slog. But that title track really is a benchmark, and the Calexico comparison makes everything click into place for me.

The Sinatra album *does* feel like background music, but I don't mean that as a pejorative. See Judas's post for how it enhanced his evening, even in the background.

I don't need to own either of these albums, but I didn't outright hate or love them either. Benign indifference?
post #30 of 39
I don't care for SRV either, but the blanket label of Tex-Mex blues seems a little dismissive of their sound. You gotta keep in mind they're one of those bands that have kind of been ripped off for twenty plus years. I vaguely recall how fresh and cutting edge they were back in the day.

Maybe it's just me--and the fact I'm not overexposed like you Texas boys--but I still find their sound interesting and rather unique.
post #31 of 39
I'm honestly blown away that some of you don't care for SRV (here's a hint...he's December). This discussion belongs in another thread, but WOW.
post #32 of 39
I've only listened to the Sinatra album twice, so I can't fully comment on it, but I do have to say that this disc is a perfect entry point for Frank's discography. The sheer volume o albums the man has is daunting and aside from a few greatest hits packages I've never felt the need to delve any further. That is, until now.
post #33 of 39
Upon on further review, I do really like this disc. Sinatra gives a great performance and the influence of Jobim is very welcome. For those in the know, how does their follow up album sound?
post #34 of 39
Ooh. I need to get around to listening to these.
post #35 of 39
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Upon on further review, I do really like this disc. Sinatra gives a great performance and the influence of Jobim is very welcome. For those in the know, how does their follow up album sound?
Well, as I indicated above, it's not quite as good: the change of arranger/conductors lessens the intimacy somewhat, with Sinatra farther from the mike, working harder to sing over a much busier orchestra, and Jobim's vocal contributions aren't in Sinatra's league.

But there are a few great Sinatra performances in there (among other things, "Wave" contains probably the lowest notes Sinatra ever hit). The session was never released in its entirety until the massive box set of the complete Reprise recordings was released after his death.

About 2/3 of the material came out on a collection called "Sinatra and Company", but be aware that the non-Jobim stuff that fills out the rest of the album is pretty ghastly ("Leaving On A Jet Plane," "Bein' Green"). Still in print, so far as I know.

There was also 2-LP set released in Brazil in the early 80's that included most of the Sinatra-Jobim sessions (apart from "Desafinado," which was never released until the Reprise box set), but that's never been reissued or appeared on CD.
post #36 of 39
I listened to both of these albums when Jeb first started this discussion, but didn't comment.

The Los Lobos disc is almost as sexy as it is playful and carefree. This isn't an album I'd listen to regularly, but it would make a great companion on a late-nite evening sitting on the porch in 70-degree weather. With a cup of lemonade and a bag of BBQ potato chips. Oh, and 'Corrido #1' wants to make me salsa the nite away. Just fun and bouncy.

The Frank Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim album---not my cup of tea, but I can't help but be fascinated by Sinatra's envious croon. Would be the perfect soundtrack to making love. I can feel the romance pouring out of every note. So, I actually enjoyed it more than I expected, and me being a hopeless romantic, I put myself in a variety of cinematic situations while absorbing the music. 'Dindi' almost made me flutter right out of my chair.

Two solid picks, Jeb.
post #37 of 39
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For those who enjoyed the Sinatra/Jobim, it's being reissued next week in remastered format, with the previously hard-verging-on-impossible-to-find tracks from their second recording session, including three that were never released outside of the complete Reprise recordings box set.



As I indicated above, the second session's not quite as good as the first, but it's still amazing, and worth having for "Wave," "Triste," and "Bonita" alone.
post #38 of 39
Thanks for the tip, Jeb. I'll be picking that reissue up.
post #39 of 39
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For those who enjoyed the Sinatra/Jobim, it's being reissued next week in remastered format, with the previously hard-verging-on-impossible-to-find tracks from their second recording session, including three that were never released outside of the complete Reprise recordings box set.
With new (and presumably way over-the-top) liner notes by Stan Cornyn? This will be unmissable. Thanks!
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