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post #51 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:33pm
Insurance exchange you say, even got the Republicans up off their hands, interesting.
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post #52 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:35pm
God, Boehner looks like he's having a stroke.
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post #53 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:36pm
Liar.

I pay all my health care costs out of pocket. Fuck you for requiring me to carry coverage. I am able to pay for my health care and choose to do so out of my own pocket.
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post #54 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:36pm
No public option so far. Disillusioned.
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post #55 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:39pm
Finally Obama calls out the Shitheels!
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post #56 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:39pm
Whoa, did someone just call Obama a liar?
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post #57 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:39pm
Wow, someone actually yelled "Lie" at the President of the United States in the goddamn Congress.
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post #58 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:40pm
Who was that idiot who shouted out "Liar!" at Obama!? Oh, we're going to hear more about him. God, what a disgrace.

Republicans totally no-sold the "Death Panels are bullshit" stuff.
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post #59 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
No public option so far. Disillusioned.
Hrm...
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post #60 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:40pm
I hope that shitheel gets run out of town...of course instead he'll be treated like a hero. Fuck.
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post #61 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Finally Obama calls out the Shitheels!
Agree. I'm glad he took it on directly and seriously, without any jokiness. It is serious.

Also, public option... YAY!
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post #62 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
Liar.

I pay all my health care costs out of pocket. Fuck you for requiring me to carry coverage. I am able to pay for my health care and choose to do so out of my own pocket.
You pay for your own insurance, or are you being mavericky and just paying it without it?
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post #63 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:41pm
Obama sold out the public option?

Try getting me to volunteer for
you in 2012, jackass.
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post #64 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:41pm
He just mentioned the Public Option!
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post #65 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:42pm
Public option for those who do not have insurance.
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post #66 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:42pm
lol, I thought you guys were talking about Tzu.

Was going to watch this live, but I opted to go to the library and teach my kid about roman numerals.
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post #67 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:44pm
The one thing that worries me is the "public option only for those who can't afford it" part. Anyone should be able to buy in, especially if they have crappy WalMart insurance.
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post #68 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:44pm
So Public Option, but very weak. Not funded by the government and will only cover 5 percent of americans. It also can't be offered by employers.
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post #69 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:45pm
Glad he's taking it to the Republicans on a few points.
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post #70 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:45pm
No, it's not only covering 5% of Americans, that's how many they expect will use it.
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post #71 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:46pm
What's the deal with the people holding up the documents?
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post #72 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
You pay for your own insurance, or are you being mavericky and just paying it without it?
I'm not being mavericky. I pay cash for my healthcare needs. I negotiate with the doctors I patron and receive the lowest cost for the services I seek.

That isn't being mavericky that is doing what is truly going to reduce costs and keep me in control of my healthcare not allowing a government official or an insurance company to decide what I recieve.
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post #73 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:47pm
I hate this "not one dime to the deficit" stuff. Isn't health care to save millions of lives worth more than tax cuts for the very rich, which carved out the greatest deficit in US history? Hate.
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post #74 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:47pm
I swear to God, there is going to be a "Republicans weren't lit as well as Democrats!" meme in the next few days. Fuckers are totally on the dark side in more ways than one.
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post #75 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:47pm
5% of 300 million = 15 million. 30 million less than the 45 million not covered now.
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post #76 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:47pm
"Fuck YOU very much, Mrs. Palin."
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post #77 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by Obama
Tax cuts for the wealthy...
Nice class warfare dig there. Hard to cut taxes for that bottom 50% who pay none already.
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post #78 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:48pm
I liked him taking on the Republicans for their shitty spending habits during Bush.
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post #79 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
I liked him taking on the Republicans for their shitty spending habits during Bush.
Yeah, he's being much more direct than I thought he would. Good stuff.
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post #80 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
5% of 300 million = 15 million. 30 million less than the 45 million not covered now.
There are not 45 million uninsured Americans now.
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post #81 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:50pm
Let Obama be Obama.
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post #82 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:50pm
So Obama is trying to do incremental changes to Health Care and is hoping in 10-20 years that the Public Option will be expanded by a democratic president with more balls.

Nice Leadership, Barry. This is the least that you could do.
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post #83 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:51pm
Wow, he even said "Fuck you!" on Bush's privitization scheme. He didn't even need to bring that up! Awesome.
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post #84 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
I hate this "not one dime to the deficit" stuff. Isn't health care to save millions of lives worth more than tax cuts for the very rich, which carved out the greatest deficit in US history? Hate.
I'll give you war spending but tax cuts increase government revenues. Have every time since Kennedy did it and will every time they are enacted.
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post #85 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
There are not 45 million uninsured Americans now.
What is the official number, Tzu?
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post #86 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
So Obama is trying to do incremental changes to Health Care and is hoping in 10-20 years that the Public Option will be expanded by a democratic president with more balls.

Nice Leadership, Barry. This is the least that you could do.
Creeping implementation has been an overt affair since the bust of Hillarycare.
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post #87 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:53pm
Republicans: standing up (literally) for rich doctors who fuck you up. That's a constituency they can get behind.
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post #88 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:55pm
What would you do to reduce the cost of Health Care
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post #89 of 489
9/9/09 at 9:56pm
"if you mis-represent this plan, we will call you out!"

Watch it , Snaike!
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post #90 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by Warren Peace View Post
Republicans: standing up (literally) for rich doctors who fuck you up. That's a constituency they can get behind.
LOL. Especially since curbing malpractice has been tried and is a big fat bust. No savings.
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post #91 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
I'm not being mavericky. I pay cash for my healthcare needs. I negotiate with the doctors I patron and receive the lowest cost for the services I seek.
Wow. If you are not rich, good luck with that. You are really playing with fire if you are not insured and disaster strikes. I'm going to guess you don't support a family either.
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post #92 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Let Obama be Obama.
I've been saying this for months now Rich.

The man is surely at a crossroads. He's been playing fair and nice with an opposition that is neither and he's getting his arse handed to him. If he doesn't take the gloves off his presidency will simply be recalled as a terribly missed oppurtunity.

This will be the great test of President Barack Obama. The negotiator needs to put aside. The US is simply not that country anymore. If he wants the US to be anywhere near relevant in the future, the warrior needs to step up.
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post #93 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
What is the official number, Tzu?
Approximate estimates are that

10 million are illegal immigrants or foreign nationals.

17 million are people like myself that choose not to purchase health insurance.

7 million are people who because of income limits do not qualify for current government plans

Less than 10 million people in America are chronically uninsured. Of those remaining 45% are without insurance for an average of four months.

So you end up with 5 million chronically uninsured. Offer these people insurance. Don't force me to buy something I do not want.

Quick and dirty because I'm trying to follow the speech. Sorry.
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post #94 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
What is the official number, Tzu?
There are definitely 46 million uninsured. I imagine what he meant was there are not 46 million uninsured American citizens whom are actively seeking health insurance. In other words, you wouldn’t count Tzu amongst the uninsured, or at least, it wouldn’t make sense to count him amongst the people reform is meant to help.

Our unemployment numbers are similarly juiced the other way.
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post #95 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:04pm
That was what he needed. Don't know how much of a difference it'll make, but it was damn good.
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post #96 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Wow. If you are not rich, good luck with that. You are really playing with fire if you are not insured and disaster strikes. I'm going to guess you don't support a family either.
I am a small business owner who does support a family and I would not be considered rich by any standards. I am not playing with fire in my view. I am 33 years old and relatively healthy. In a few years I will purchase some insurance when it makes more sense. Right now I prefer to put money away for a rainy day.
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post #97 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:06pm
I would purchase insurance but I am being discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition. My parents could pay my insurance, but I can't be covered by insurance companies right now.
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post #98 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by Girma View Post
There are definitely 46 million uninsured. I imagine what he meant was there are not 46 million uninsured American citizens whom are actively seeking health insurance. In other words, you wouldn’t count Tzu amongst the uninsured, or at least, it wouldn’t make sense to count him amongst the people reform is meant to help.

Our unemployment numbers are similarly juiced the other way.
No there are not. Please look it up. 45-47 million uninsured is a manufactured propaganda number.
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post #99 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:06pm
So you don't pay insurance for your family? Do you have kids?

Also, you're 33, so you don't think you can be struck by a serious illness, or injured in a serious accident.

Your choice, but you are playing with fire to be quite honest.
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post #100 of 489
9/9/09 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
What would you do to reduce the cost of Health Care
The basic problem with Tzu’s position is its far too radical to be implemented, he is completely against a health insurance system in its entirety as far as I can tell, so anything that makes it more efficient would only adversely effect him in how he handles his own healthcare situation.
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