Fringe Season 2 - Page 2

It wasn't bad at all. Most people are pissed because they didn't get the awnser the finale promised, but I liked what I've seen. I could have been better, but also a whole lot worse. At least Pacey is getting something to do now.

Loved the custard making right beside the opened body.

How can you not love an episode that contains this

I was thinking about the switch at the end and wonder if they will address that there isn't a 2nd nurse body? They know the nurse was on duty so it has to be somewhere near the hospital. Even if you assume it was incinerated there would be bone fragments.

Sometimes it's the little things I love about this show. Sometimes I have to wonder if I saw what I really think I saw. Such as the talky scene in the lab where the exposition is getting doled out and Astrid is stirring the custard. I'm pretty sure Walter tried to stick his fingers in the bowl and Astrid swats him away... Typical, only I think back on it and relaize Walter is wearing bloodied up corpse digging rubber gloves when he tried to do the dipping... which makes it pretty nasty. Then, we get to see Walter holding and eating a twizzler or whatever it was, but he's still wearing those same bloodied uo corpse digging rubber gloves. It kinda skeezed out my wife a bit, but it's great!

Also gotta love that Walter still doesn't get her name right. Walter: "Asterix," Astrid: "Astrid". And she so unphased by it all. Astrid enhances Walter as far as I'm concerned. This show needs her there. I felt the same way suring season 1, and was scared that she would be scared off after Walter jammed a needle into her neck... but Agent Farnsworth (that's her name right?) is better than that.

ETA: The whole Charlie thing sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Interestingly enough though it's more because I think that the character was a good friend to Olivia and he was a guy who had a wife at home who we got to actually meet, than it was me getting annoyed at it from a story perspectvie. It just sucked to see THAT guy dead and stuffed in a furnace. Regardless of how little he got to do from time to time I guess I had a sort of attachment to that particular character. Oh well, if it gives the actor more interesting stuff to do and keeps him around for a little longer than all is well... I guess. I'd still like to know what was up with that. We hear he's off the show, then he's back. What really happened and when...?

Did anyone catch the fact that Broyles is a Colonel and has been "in six wars". Six? I know its supposed to take place in the very near future but still. Maybe I'm reading more into this but with his military status and this "six" comment it makes me think that Broyles is the Nick Fury of the Fringe-verse. That could also explain why the Blair Brown character is making out with him...maybe they are around the same age and Broyles just ages slowly?

The only plot hole that took me out of the game a bit last night was the fact that the assassin could take all those shots and could switch places with Charlie so quickly. That was a bit silly considering early on in the episode he had to break his face bones and then take some time to copy the dead guy.

I also think the Greek phrase is Nimoy or someone's else way of warning Peter about Walter. Either warning him that Walter on the show stole him and is thus a bit evil or warning him that the super, duper bad guy from the alternate universe may be the mirror-Walter some of us have theorized as the main bad guy causing all the ruckus because he's pissed our Walter stole his son.

I love this show and thought it was a great season opener. Walter's angry pout when Peter told him he couldn't steal the meds was classic.

One more interesting scene worth mentioning. The inter-dimensional typewriter. I'm not even going to try to rationalize it or have it make sense, but it was kind of creepy in its own way with only the keys on the typewriter in the mirror getting pressed while the shifty guy was receiving messages. It was bizarre enough to feel all kinds of wrong.

Near furure, why is that? The producers have said these 2 dimensions are on the same timeline. And in the alternate one the Obama was moving into the newly built White House. Seems they are in our present.

As for the wars-2 Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Somalia, Panama, Grenada-that's 7. None are declared wars but battles fought in each.

He really likes antique phones?

Loved the ep. Olivia's entrance was great, and dug how Walter sensed it was coming. Walter's pout was hilarious. Astrid has to be the most patient FBI agent ever, gets jabbed with a syringe, never any important duties, and now she's been relegated to custard maker? Alternate dimension Astrid's probably a bad ass though.

Yeah, they could still hear the gunshots, and we saw earlier than Peter wasn't that far away from the furnace room, so it probably wasn't that far away. Even if we gave the dude MINUTES, it's still a leap in logic. Now 10 minutes, okay I could sorta buy that. Except he had to undress and redress himself and a dead body. Science fiction,outlandish devices, and plots. That's fine, but this is like some writer didn't think it through. Since almost every other episode was good, this just stood out. It really felt like a filler episode.

I think it's perfectly fine to chalk it up to sloppy writing or having to cut time.

You're joking right? There have been tons and tons of obvious little holes like this throughout the show. I thought that they'd made it pretty clear that sometimes for the sake of whatever crazy thing they want to do you just kind of have to shrug and say "Eh, I'll go with it."

They're basically setting up Broyles to be the general of "our army" for the final battle. I love that they're making him look like the Nick Fury of the show and I'm looking forward to the episode that sets up his back story and what makes him tick.

I think there was some previous minor secret battle between the two universes and Broyles and Blair were involved. It's like they have that bond of going through something epic together.

(I may be 110% wrong about all of that.)

That stuff worked. You can tell they're trying to introduce more of it when the promos are intercut with all those gross-out shots of whatever that was.

Horrible Greek aside I guess it was ok. Nothing earth shattering save for Carlie biting the dust and a bit of a reset button, but I liked the glimpse in Broyles' background and Peter's apparent stepping up.

In any case it certainly is good to have Fringe back.

As far as I can tell, the show is still suffering from all the same problems it had last season. The ideas they're toying with are somewhat intriguing but the awful dialogue and painfully formulaic way it's plotted makes me think more of CSI than of a show that actually has some brains behind it.

qft.

This. Walter makes the show.

I totally dig this show, warts and all. I like that they used Olivia's hospitalization as a way to bring new viewers up to speed via the new agent, Amy (whom I love), Peter's take charge attitude is a welcome change to his usually snarky attitude, and Broyles getting more back story (we'll get an episode dedicated just to him in a few weeks) seems like it'll help flesh out the mythology. By the way, what was up with the Massive Dynamics ladies kissing Broyles? It creeped me out more than Walter eating a twizzler with his bloodied gloves.

I had fun with this ep. I can see people's complaints, but they just don't bother me. There's more good than bad here.

You didn't see that coming? I thought you could tell from the first season that they were close or had something going on.

Eh, I thought maybe they had something in the past. But even if it were ongoing, it just seemed like such awkward timing, though I guess she was wishing him luck. Either way, it skeeved me. She looks like 100 years old. He might as well have been making out with the crypt keeper.

My favorite throw away line in this episode was the comment before the congressional panel about using the old X designation. Nice reference there.

Broyles' six wars comment was for me the most interesting part of the episode. It sounded very BPRD, as did his whole speech to the commitee.

Love this show. In some ways, the first episode felt like a re-boot so I was on unsure footing at first. But I guess that feeling came from what Diva mentioned, that they were bringing new viewers up to speed. All systems go though for another fun season.

It mostly bugged me because Abrahms already did the same damn thing to a likable character in Alias (and pissed it away). Looks like Joe Toye is going the same route.

The show still isn't all it could be, but it's quite enjoyable for all it's faults.

Plus it may well have the cutest female cast in television. Astrid, new agent chick, and the sister are all super cute.

Plot holes? You people and your fancy shmancy logic! When has being all rational ever made watching a tv show more enjoyable? Never, I tells ya!

I don't think anyone is saying that logic doesn't matter at all. It's just that discussing the finer points of body disposal methods as practiced by shapeshifting assassins from a parallel dimension, maybe is taking it too far.

I'm not bothered by the implausibility of it, because who cares - I'm bothered by how obvious the twist was. After they gave him the fuzzy wuzzy farewell kiss speech, they might as well have painted a huge bullseye on his face.

Good to see Anna Torv is still tied with Elisha Dushku for the the title of Worst lead actress in a drama right now.

"That's it Anna just open your mouth reaaaalllly wide, that signifies that your scared....or smiling"

I'd be pissed if I was Kirk Acevedo. "So you're going to turn me into a bad guy and probably find a way to off me soon enough and then you're going to replace me with this random FBI chick who will ultimately serve the exact same function I did. Awesome."

I’m actually surprised by how mixed people are on this episode, I thought it did a much better job at introducing the concept than the pilot.

Olivia's entrance aside, boring episode.
A couple of good set ups though. Hope they pay off.

I'm in the pretty dull camp too. I understand that they wanted to reintroduce the concept, but I just don't think it worked well. And I kind of agree with Humanoid in thinking that this show doesn't have the grace or brains to pull of last seasons final shot, which has been my worry all along.

I'll keep watching though because I like some of the aspects of the show, mainly Walter, I just wish I liked the it more.

They said the season would be half MotW, half mythology. And even in the MotW, you have some plot continuation with Evil Charlie and his Super Evil typewriter. Great episode. Liked that the guru is a bowling hall employee.

EDIT: Walter said that travelling between universes doesn't come without consequences. The reason is kinda crazy?

That was a pretty terrible episode. The case wasn't interesting, it was weirdly put together and the overall arc barely advanced. After finishing last season so strongly, they really botched up the start of this one. Where the fuck's Nimoy?

So how long until we find out Broyles has been to the alternate dimension also?

This episode was entertaining enough but seemed kind of slapdash. I like that they're make Peter more proactive but I'm afraid that's just going to be the framework to introduce each Monster of the Week. And what's the deal with Evil Charlie? Don't they have an interdimensional clinic he can go to get his wounds fixed? It's weird that he can be sitting there with Olivia acting totally normal but looks severely constipated the rest of the time.

I hope Kevin Corrigan's role is recurring throughout the season.

This was o.k. The MotW was predictable and not too suspenseful. Didn't they, last season, find a way to tie these things into "the Pattern"? I guess it doesn't make a difference. The Mole Boy loses significance either way. Just a freak accident by a desperate father. They could've given him better moments too.

FSM bless Kevin Corrigan. I'd love to see him every week on this show and at least don't want him as some bullshit collateral damage when bodysnatcher Charlie begins killing... I guess it's probably headed that way.

Re: Charlie
The bait & switch was quite predictable, and in exchange, I wish we might possibly get to know this villain version. That is probably too much to wish for.

So they ran a repeat of the chimera episode from last season, huh?

So, is Olivia normally so panicky? I thought when Mole Boy grabbed her that she'd be throwing elbows or something. At this rate, Peter should be the one with the gun.

I thought his expression when Olivia almost shot him was awesome though. It looked like he was seriously considering throwing her a beating.

I kinda dug how thoroughly disgusting this ep's MotW was. Scorpion Boy sounds like a GbV song title. Also, dug Olivia's new talent. I hope they do something interesting with it since it seems obvious that Bell had deliberately given the ability to her. The amnesia, while easily justifiable as implanted by Bell, seems like a bit of a delaying tactic by the writers to me. I read something about this show where they said the "mythology" would be doled out in digestible chunks so as not to confuse casual viewers. So I'm not expecting them to barrel ahead with a lot of S1 finale's big reveals anytime soon.

Last night's final minutes helped reinforce the theory that *SPOILER* Alternate Universe Walter is the Big Bad. At least to me.

This season still seems to be looking to find its footing though.

I decided to sleep on this one before posting about it. It didn't really help. Walter was great as usual, and I really dug his interactions with Astrid and the "puzzle" he put together but for the most part this was 50 minutes of crap to show us the Watcher. Peter and Olivia's entire trip overseas seemed ridiculous and boring.

Loved the cheeseburger scene with the cow.

And Kirby's right.

I don't know why, but Walter just licking on the powdered donut was great.

I liked the episode even though the Baghdad trip seemed superfluous. Even when the show is spinning its wheels it keeps me entertained. I'm also in the same camp as Kirby re: the main villain.

I've given up on this ever being a great show. It's incredibly formulaic and the producers don't know what they are doing - read the EW piece on how they brought in outside writers to consult on the last half of Season 2 (good!); only it seems to have dropped them or their ideas this season. But I get too much enjoyment with Walter and the promise of the mythology panning out.

You man the Observer? I had to laugh when the Colonel was telling his conspiracy theory about how "They are out there. They are observing us!" Cut to *duh duh dunnnn* The Observer!

Have they referred to him as such within the show itself?

I seem to recall that they did in the First Season, but I'd be hard pressed to tell you in what ep or in what context. I'm kind of remembering Broyles using that name when he was briefing Olivia on The Observer's appearances right before paranormal crime scenes.

I think this season is missing an opportunity with Kirk Acevedo. Broyles was close to not sending Olivia to Baghdad with Peter, if he sent Charlie instead, it could have been very interesting. Put Charlie into a situation where he has to help them to stay on mission.

They wrote a formulaic twist into the show when he was "replaced", and instead of capitalizing on the potential of a villain being so close to the action, they just about leave said twist go unmentioned completely.

I do not get it.

At least John Noble redeems the viewing experience.

Great concept with the human bomb, terrible execution. Pacey the Iraq Badass. Yeah, that'll work!

Agreed. I've heard they did the same on Alias. I guess the producers/writers have good ideas, but don't know how to execute them.