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post #51 of 80
Grats on your succesful enrollment, Lisa. I hope you enjoy paralegal training more than I enjoyed law school. best of luck to you. I expect periodic updates. We legal eagles gotta stick together.
post #52 of 80
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Okay, where are my transcripts? I called my college and they said that they mailed them out on Wednesday. It doesn't take that long to get from PA to NY. Dammit. (Needless to say, now that I've decided to do this, I'm anxious to get rolling.)
post #53 of 80
Just curious -- any of what LisaNY will be taking can be credited towards a law degree?

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Okay, where are my transcripts?
Why not have them faxed directly to the school?
post #54 of 80
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Why not have them faxed directly to the school?
Honestly, never even thought of it.
post #55 of 80
Yay, Lisa! My most heartfelt congrats on your enrollment and chasing the dream! Very proud of ya, girl!

No doubt you'll be a success, of course, but in court, can we expect to see you sporting some Ally McBeal style threads?


Yeah, that's the stuff.
post #56 of 80
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Yay, Lisa! My most heartfelt congrats on your enrollment and chasing the dream! Very proud of ya, girl!

No doubt you'll be a success, of course, but in court, can we expect to see you sporting some Ally McBeal style threads?


Yeah, that's the stuff.
And Bender from 'Futurama' will sing her praises...

Single Female Lawyer!
Fighting for her clients...
Wearing lots of mini-skirts
and being self-reliant!
post #57 of 80
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Just curious -- any of what LisaNY will be taking can be credited towards a law degree?
Law schools don't accept transfer credits for a J.D. degree, but if she ever decides to get her law degree later, she'll at least have some experience with legal writing & research.

Congrats, Lisa! Nice to see this thread, since law school helped kill my CHUD leisure time. I'm a second-year student, and I'm happy to answer anyone's questions on the joys of law school.
post #58 of 80
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I'm happy to answer anyone's questions on the joys of law school.
That sentence doesn't even make sense in English. . .

Joy. . . of law school?

Weird.
post #59 of 80
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys! I did get my transcripts on the day I last posted about it. I emailed again and asked for an enrollment form, and they said they're not going to be accepting applications till December - so I have time to cool my heels for a bit!
post #60 of 80
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Thanks guys! I did get my transcripts on the day I last posted about it. I emailed again and asked for an enrollment form, and they said they're not going to be accepting applications till December - so I have time to cool my heels for a bit!
Why not use the downtime and do some more paralegal research? Hit the library for some book-learnin', talk to more lawyers, see if there's any tips or information you can pick up so you can sort of hit the ground running, etc.

The more you know, and all that...
post #61 of 80
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Yup, planning on doing that this week - gonna hit Barnes & Noble and all that! There's a great B&N branch here that's sort of the flagship store for textbooks, so I think I'll head to that one!
post #62 of 80
Lisa, I'm waaaaay late to the party on this, but I did want to chime in, having some experience in this regard.

At this point since you're so heavily involved in the paralegal certification process I really don't want to say anything to dissuade you from certain decisions you've already made, but honestly my first thought upon reading your initial post was to wonder whether it was really necessary. With your experience and location, it might be possible to get a decent admin job in Big Law convering any number of legal tendrils (possibly even doing interesting stuff!) and making decent money to boot. Once you've got your foot in the door, you can see, before you make any substantial investment of time and money, whether you actually *like* working in law. If so, then at that point maybe it would be more useful to looking into getting certified as a paralegal. The firm might even pay tuition costs, and if they "send" you for certification, chances are they will be more understanding of your schedule than your employer now, while you're doing this on the down low; i.e., they might give you time off, time during work hours to study, etc. Or, you might find you love it so much that you want to take the lawyer plunge. And they might help pay for that too (a huge boon of which I am an opportunistic recipient). I'm in my fourth and final year of law school, so I can attest to the fact that it is possible to work full time and school full time. Don't get me wrong, it's a difficult, taxing, sometimes overwhelming experience, but it helps to know I'm doing it for the right reasons. I guess I'd just hate to see you decide it's not for you for only logistical reasons.

But again, my point is that it might be easier for you to get a job as an admin assistant in a firm first, and then decide what route you want to take. If nothing else, you'll end up doing what a paralegal does without having to get certified, anyway. I'm not sure if there's a huge salary difference there.

My two cents, food for thought, and all that jazz.
post #63 of 80
My friend recently did that. He's 37, never done a day of paralegal work in his life, but a friend suggested he had skills that would easily parlay into a job being a paralegal. He applied and was hired by Merrill Lynch. Unfortunately e was downsized a few months later (with a hefty bonus that paid off all his college loans), but was hired shortly after at Wachovia (I guess now Wells Fargo), who are also paying for him to go to graduate school. It worked out pretty sweet for him. But it wouldn't have if he didn't just give it a shot and apply.
post #64 of 80
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I'm in my fourth and final year of law school. . . .
But. . . but you seemed so. . . NORMAL from your posts. Welcome to hell a few months early, Mr. Banks.
post #65 of 80
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Banks! How the hell are you? Congrats on your fourth and final of law school, buddy! My nephew just found out he passed the bar for PA, and will get the results for NJ sometime in December (which we're fairly certain he aced!).

As far as your advice - I appreciate that so much, and I had thought of going that route, too. And believe me, as much as I don't want to go back to classes after a full day of work and fork over tuition, I think it's best for many reasons.

First of all, I do feel that my age - even though I've been assured here that it's not a problem, and that does make me feel better - might still put me at a slight disadvantage than if I were going up against someone, say, 26 years old and fresh out of law school (assuming in this scenario that they were also going for a paralegal job). For me to think about leaving my job and getting into a much more fast paced and specialized environment like a law firm with nothing to show for it other than 20 years of being an admin - and not one who understands law and why things are done the way they are - that's a disadvantage, I think. Plus, at almost 46, I'll want more money than someone fresh out of school for the first time, so I'd better be able to back that up. My way of seeing it is - who would you hire? A 26 year old who has the training and would be hired at a starting salary. Or, a 46 year old who's going to want more money and is going to want them to put her through school and teach her as she goes along? I just feel it's probably smarter, given my age and non-law background that I'd better have something to offer when I sit down for that interview.

Second, I have a resume that, although there's 20 years in the business, I have to admit has gotten a little shakey looking over the past few years. It was the six month move out to CA and back that really hurt the way my resume looks, plus the first job I landed when I got back to NY - those two blips make me look, quite frankly, like a flake. It's hard to describe in a post, you'd have to see it. I've been told by family and friends not to worry, that it's no better or worse than anyone else with 20 years work experience, but I've also been told by some business-related people that it's a little checkered looking.

So, taking that into account, again, I feel that if I go in there with the training and the certification, having paid for that education myself, it's at least better. I can't really see myself marching in there and saying, "Hey, I know I don't have the greatest resume in the world, and I have no training or certification as a paralegal, but hire me, please? Oh, and train me and put me through school, too. Kthnxbai."

I do feel I have a lot of pluses, but I've racked up a few minuses over the years, which are enough to make me think that if I do this, I can't go in there expecting anyone to do anything special for me - this has to be all on me. If I had a law background, a better looking resume, was 20 years younger, I'd be going a different path, sure. But given that I've got what I've got and I can't really change that, I think making sure I have all my ducks in a row is my best bet.
post #66 of 80
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But. . . but you seemed so. . . NORMAL from your posts. Welcome to hell a few months early, Mr. Banks.
If my posts here make me sound normal, Iggy, I'm not sure what would qualify as abnormal. Perhaps it's my immaculate subject-verb agreement.

But really, it might be because I'm an older student. I worked for six years before going back to school, and by now I've been a working stiff for almost ten years. Really helps you weed through the bullshit, and it's the bullshit that births the crazies.

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My way of seeing it is - who would you hire? A 26 year old who has the training and would be hired at a starting salary. Or, a 46 year old who's going to want more money and is going to want them to put her through school and teach her as she goes along?
You'd be surprised. I've seen a lot of new hires (mostly younger people) come and go through our firm because either they can't keep up with the work, or don't have the proper motivation, or have zero interest in what they're doing. It doesn't seem to me like you fall under any of those categories. Folks like you are an asset, and more firms realize that than you might think. Particularly in a time where many firms are tightening staff rosters and assigning fewer paralegals to more attorneys. They need people who can handle multi-tasking, keep details in order, and process the work in a capable and efficient manner. I'll bet your resume says something like this...

But I certainly understand where you're coming from, and again, I don't mean to try to dissuade you. I just want to give you a clearer picture of law firm culture.

A good friend of mine at another firm is a certified paralegal. She's older than you. I'll ask what she thinks and send you a PM.
post #67 of 80
Thread Starter 
That would be fantastic, I'd really appreciate that - thanks, Banks!
post #68 of 80
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero View Post
But really, it might be because I'm an older student. I worked for six years before going back to school, and by now I've been a working stiff for almost ten years. Really helps you weed through the bullshit, and it's the bullshit that births the crazies.
Go non-trads! I think that helped me, too. I had ten years of full-time work experience before starting law school, and I think I'm appreciating it more now than if I would have done it in my early 20's.

Iggy – I was half-kidding about the "joys" of law school. I've got 80 pages worth of writing to do between now and December that I'm not looking forward to.
post #69 of 80
Thread Starter 
So despite the dorkiness of the title, I did pick up Paralegal Career for Dummies , which is a really good book (hey, can't beat a solid five out of five star rating from ten users). Figured I could get ahead of the game a little and be ready to register for the class when it rolls around.

I'm glad more than ever that I've decided to go with the classes - the book says that unless you're already working at a law firm, if you're coming in from the outside, they're absolutely going to want to see education, and certification if you've gone that route. Of course the book just makes me even more anxious to get on the ball with this!
post #70 of 80
I learned how to use Wordperfect - and quite proficiently - w/ the "For Dummies" book on that subject. Considering how completely illiterate I am in all other things computer oriented, mybe I oughta buy some more of those. . .

ANYWAY, point is, dorky titles aside, they can be very useful. Don't knock 'em till you tried 'em.
post #71 of 80
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I learned how to use Wordperfect - and quite proficiently - w/ the "For Dummies" book on that subject.
So did the people who programmed WordPerfect.

AYOOOOOOOOOOOO
post #72 of 80
Thread Starter 
YESSS!!! Finally! Dec. 16th - open house at John Jay for the paralegal program, and registration is OPEN! I'm calling them tomorrow!
post #73 of 80
You go, girl!!!
post #74 of 80
Kick ass. Take names. Be home in time for tea. All that jazz. Good luck.
post #75 of 80
Thread Starter 
Thanks, guys! Incidentally, right before I logged on here, I went onto HopStop.com to time my commute (40 minutes from work, so I should be okay). I spoke to the woman at the office of continuing education at John Jay, RSVP'd for the open house, and asked her if I could sign up and pay for my class during the event. She said I could, so I moved the tuition money out of my savings and into my checking, got my college transcripts ready, and I'm now just counting the days!
post #76 of 80
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I DID IT!!!

I just got home from the open house, signed up and paid for the class, and I'm ready to start!!! February 2nd is the day! I transferred some money over for my books, so I can buy those by Friday! WHEEEE!!!!
post #77 of 80
Congrats, Lisa! Sounds like you're going to have a hell of a Groundhog's Day... just like Bill Murray!

Now, get back to work! Those legal texts aren't going to study themselves, little missy!
post #78 of 80
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I just received the last of my textbooks today! It's weird, I ordered them on Dec. 18th, two days after the open house, and a couple of them came quickly. But the two that I'm going to need first just arrived - so no harm, no foul, they're here. But those suckers took forever! Anyway, it's official, I'm paid up, I have all my books, I'm ready!
post #79 of 80
Congrats, Lisa! John Jay is a great school. I am doing some research with a psychology professor there. We should meet up some time for coffee or something.
post #80 of 80
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Congrats, Lisa! John Jay is a great school. I am doing some research with a psychology professor there. We should meet up some time for coffee or something.
Yaaay! Sounds good, let's do that!
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