Guns - Page 2

If I have questions about guns, I ask my grade 8 class.

Nope, no gun ownership here. They scare the hell out of me, for one. And yeah, to be honest, it scares me what might happen if a person has a gun and loses their temper - it's easy enough for a punch to become a gunshot wound. Just my opinion, y'know?

Plus, on a much smaller note, I went paintballing with a group of folks some years ago. I'm behind this tree with my gun, I have my head down, and there's shots being fired all around me. Now me? I'm a peacenik. Sure, I have a temper, but I've seriously mellowed out with age, and whenever I see someone else lose it, I'm the first one to say "Okay, you need to chill. Go sit down, breathe, burn some incense, take a warm bath - whatever." Anyway, as soon as the shots die down, I took advantage of the situation, stepped out from behind the tree, and pretty much Ellen Ripley'd all my friends. So it was sort of like one of those, "Huh... I did not know that about myself!" moments. Yeah yeah, I know, it was only paintball, and probably on a subconscious level, I knew that. But still - the fact that I was so comfy just blasting a gun off like that was a little unsettling.

I also live in Florida, land of "shoot anyone who looks at you menacingly."

It's not quite as scary as it sounds to outsiders, probably. But still... it's crazy the subtle undercurrent of expanding where you can just off someone.

I can't remember if they passed it, but recently here they were trying to get that whole "shoot someone if you're threatened at all on your property" expanded to EVERYWHERE.

I own three guns. A Beretta 9mm, a .22, and a .32 snub nose. I've been around guns my entire life. I used to walk out into the backyard and shoot cans and milk jugs, and my brother steps off the back porch and hunts (seriously, squirrels are crazy in Eastern Kentucky). I also got pretty familiar with having a firearm while in the military. I don't hunt, though the rest of the family does. I have my guns primarily for target shooting and home protection. I'm a pretty laid back guy, so I don't see me losing it and going on a rampage... well, so long as Saban keeps kicking Auburn's ass and Calipari keeps recruiting like a demon, I'm ok.

God, I hope so.......

I don't think I could ever own a firearm. I doubt I'm responsible enough for it.

Invisible rep for you, good sir.

As for gun ownership? Never had one. I've been to a shooting range before but not in years.

That doesn't stop folks 'round here. And guns are just for starters.

Yeah, different story for where you are Bobby. Sad to say.

I own three handguns and one .22 rifle. The rifle and the Ruger Blackhawk .41 Mag single action were my father's guns.



I purchased the Walther P22 because it is cool looking and fun as hell to shoot and the Bersa Thunder .380 for concealed carry and home defense and the price was better than the Walther PPK.





My seven year old has been to the range with me a few times since he was 5. Since he was 4 he had a few Airsoft guns that we played with in the backyard. He shoots the .22 rifle and pistol and the first few times I took him he was only allowed to shoot apples, oranges, cantelope and watermelons. This was to instruct him on what these instruments are capable of doing and because it's fun. He was properly and is continually(in the presence of real or toy guns) schooled on the

My guns are usually kept at my office or in a closet in my range bag except the Bersa which is kept loaded, safety on and holstered in my nightstand. He doesn't know where it is and while this isn't the safest storage option the guns are not mentioned outside of the range nor are they handled outside of the range except to clean them. He understands that guns are not toys(even toy guns are not "toys") and on his own doesn't discuss them with friends nor want to "show them off."

I understand what you are saying but the mindset of owning a gun when you have more valuable things to protect runs counter to what most gun laws will state is the objective for brandishing or utilizing a firearm in a confrontation. I know in SC you cannot use a firearm to protect your property per se. The brandishing and use of a firearm is strictly based on perceived bodily harm. If someone is stealing your car you cannot shoot them but if they are trying to steal your car and kidnap you in the process you can perceive the intent for bodily harm and respond proactively.

Criminals don't care where you live but yes, a "safer" neighborhood is a good starting point. As to inflicting damage the vast majority of crimes deterred by guns are done so without shots being fired. And I'd hate to advance on someone or be confined to a situation where I went to kick them in the leg or scratch their face and have them pull out a knife or firearm of their own to use against me. I'd prefer assailnats to stay at a safe distance.

Zombies. Or, a general uprising. But mostly, zombies.

Some surprising responses here. Count me as another socially liberal person who believes in gun ownership. If you've handled them or own one, it's somewhat hard to see why so many push to take guns out of the hands of citizens. They're just tools, inanimate, and lifeless and most just sit in a box somewhere. It's unfortunate most liberals fear criminals so much that they'd punish the entire population to get guns out of gangbangers hands. The bad guys though, will always find a way to arm themselves.

Regarding home defense, unless you are strapped all the time, you're not gonna be able to use your gun to defend yourself. It may be used to retaliate, but if you are chosen to be a random victim of crime, the criminal has the factor of surprise and usually superior force before they feel comfortable enough to attack your home or your person. They will win. After reading about that kid with the samurai sword, I think that's a far better option to keep hidden behind the couch or something. Otherwise, if a perp grabs you and starts raping you, your gun is gonna do you no good sitting in a safe in your bedroom. Don't even count it.

And the point about kids, well, kids have to be educated. It's like sex, you can't just hide and hope they never discover it. You can just say never do it. They will. The key is to educate them to do the right thing. It's just another part of parenting if your household includes firearms. Teach your kids gun safety. Then buy them condoms!!

The whole pulling off ears and busting knee caps thing sounds great in theory, but in an actual situation like that... getting in that close is, more often than not, probably not the ideal course of action. And it's rarely a reality, as most "dangerous" thieves/intruders are going to be armed in some way.

That said, owning and handling a gun requires tremendous self control. You have to really be able to think clearly in that kind of a situation. As odd as it sounds, you also should more often than not be prepared to "finish the job" (in very few shots) if you're going to actually use it against an intruder.

At least, that's what most lawyers around here recommend. Granted, it's not quite that cut and dry, but still, it's commonly recommended that you actually kill the person rather than say, just shoot them in the leg.


Intruder or no, I can't imagine having someone's death on my hands.

Why do they recommend killing rather than maiming an intruder?

this is what i don't understand. I tend to think that the limits of responsible gun ownership end waaay before ak-47. so i'd be interested to the reasoning

If the person is dead they cannot sue you for injuring them.

Phil did you move to Camden or something?

I am assuming that you guys have a mental picture of the AK-47(or AR-15 in the United States) in full automatic fire with one trigger pull unleashing a barrage of projectiles.

The truth of the matter that gets obscured by the media when they refer to "assault rifles" is that the average joe civilian cannot purchase newly manufactured selective fire weapons. This has been prohibited since 1986.

The ammunition employed by these civilian available models is your standard .223 hunting cartridge. This is a cartridge that isn't even designed to hunt deer properly. Some variants are available for 5.56 NATO rounds but the rationale is a cool ass looking hunting rifle.

Can you take your cool ass hunting rifle and be a Red Dawn invasion force fighting motherfucker? Yeah, I suppose. There's some more mental rationale behind it for you but the plain fact is that most people purchasing "assault rifles" are not walking around with full burst automatic weapons.

I do not own a gun, but I grew up around them, as my step-dad and step-brother were avid hunters. I bought a .22 rifle once to fit in, but I didn't keep it for long. I have fired a 12 gauge shotgun, a .38, a .357, a .44 magnum, a 9mm sub-machine gun, an SKS, and a 8mm deer rifle. I have no desire to own one, but I'll never turn down a chance to fire one.

We keep our shit secure in the 'wood.

I have in the past owned firearms. I don't currently have one though. The only gun I technically still own resides at my father's house. The rest I sold or gave to a relative when I left for college (I owned 5 at the time. All shotguns and deer rifles) almost ten years ago.

I grew up around the outdoors as a child. Hunted regularly, target shot and was always taught that a firearm is a dangerous tool and to treat it with respect. I have little problem with gun ownership per se but the concealed carry movement definitely leaves me cold. Not big on handguns either. Don't feel the need to own one right now living in the city and the fact that I don't hunt anymore.

I own, a handgun, a shotgun and a rifle.

These are the two weapons I dream about owning some day.



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and if I ever get really rich I am getting one of these.

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I think though the next Rifle I buy will be the 405win, Public Enemy sold me.

In the service I had my trusty M16 A2 service rifle, but in civilian life I acquired my dad's 12 gauge shotgun (which needs some serious cleaning) and I recently bought a .9mm Glock 19 for work. I got a great deal on the Glock, but I want to save up money for a Springfield Armory XDM.

As for home protection, I have blunt and edged weapons in every room of my house, not to mention I will not hesitate to bludgen a burglar with my Xbox 360. The pistol is a last resort, as it is indeed in the master bedroom in a safe.

I have absolutely zero problem I am fucking weak with a bow. I absolutely suck, and if I continued trying to fight that truth someone would get hurt.

how often do you find yourself saying this? a lot?

i'm talking about fully automatic weapons. i know people that keep them, and i know of even more that do. those are who i'm curious about, not 'media reports' about how pervasive these things are. The people that actually own automatic weapons. how come?

This is telling? no?

This. With a caveat. A safe with a key is just as useless as hiding the gun...your kids go through your stuff. Thoroughly. Especially if they're looking for something. And there's nothing more fun than finding something you're not supposed to find.

And if it is a combination safe, the same thing applies...don't write the combination down *anywhere*. And don't use a birthday or your address or anything like that.

Basically, assume that your kids are experienced identity thieves waiting for any opportunity to rob you blind.

And put me in the group of those that like guns and shooting but dislike the group of folks who fetishize gun ownership. I pissed my conservative father off but *good* one time when he got up in arms that I don't want my kids anywhere near guns. He said, "but you like to shoot!". To which I replied, "I like smoking pot, too! It doesn't make it a good idea."

Don't get me wrong, I know that there are plenty of responsible gun owners who deserve respect. But I'd rather not have a gun than have to deal with the contemptible other group at all. It's the same reason I quit smoking pot.

No offense, man...but there's a very good possibility that even if this is the case *now*, it won't be in the future. I grew up around guns, went shooting for the first time when I was about 8 years old, took hunter safety classes, was thoroughly educated in how to respect and handle firearms...but that didn't prevent me from playing with my dad's guns all the freaking time.

Posing with them, unloading on helpless boxcars with my friends, shooting road signs from moving cars...the works. Guns are like candy to a teenage boy.

Don't assume that your kid is the one kid who won't play with guns. You might be right, but think back to how stupid you were when you were a kid.

I'm not really a fan of fully automatic weapons for public consumption. I'm not going to get up in arms over banning them, but I just don't see the need personally. They're fun as hell though, but I like something a bit more subdued and I suppose "controlled" would be the word.

But why? They're fun. Or you want your dick to feel bigger. Just like owning a supercar.

How come? Cause it's fun.

You may not see the need for full auto guns and those full auto gun owners may not see the need for movies, but to each his own when defining what one finds fun. It's just very annoying whenever someone who is not into a certain hobby ask why "those" people do what they do. We all have different things that we're into and we don't need to justify them. Finding it enjoyable is justification enough.

None taken and as I decide on a proper safe I will invest in one. I like the boxes that have fingertip combinations with spring loaded lids. Just figuring out which one meets my needs as they are getting older.

Own a 9mm Springfield XD and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15x (AR-15). Own them for fun and also to stay proficient at the range. The USAF does not allow non-special ops/security forces shoot too much. I've been in 6 years and shot 3 times with the M-16A2. That's up there compared to a lot of other airmen.

At the urging of my brother-in-law, my dad and I started shooting at the local range (after taking the required safety course and getting licensed, naturally) after my 40th birthday (more as an excuse to guy-bond with my dad than anything else. Definitely worth it!). I have a Smith & Wesson M&P9, while my pop is packing a Beretta with walnut grips. Dad's a MUCH better shot than I, but I'm slowly getting there.

Don't own a gun, don't want one.

Come to think of it, I don't think I know anyone who owns a gun except my dad, but he's from Alberta.

Don't own a gun but have a few hand grenades. First motherfucking deer who hits my back yard is the last motherfucking deer to hit my back yard!

I'm not saying justify yourself. I ask why, as in: for shooting at paper bin ladens? or raising the blood-lead levels of any potential home invaders? or transforming squirrels into mist?

of course they're fucking fun, they're big fucking guns. no judging here.

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Are you some sort of nerdy Rambo?

I used to hang out with a guy who by all appearances was a big hippie- long hair, penchant for drugs and arts and crafts, but he threw me off one day when he pulled out his gun. He was so proud of that thing, a shiny Sig Sauer. Turns out he was a card carrying Libertarian, really down with gun ownership and didn't want to pay taxes.

I don't really have a point. Hippie people who like firearms freak me out.

I am amazed by this thread.

That's beautiful.

Own:
SIG P229 .40
Taurus PT1911 .45
CZ-75b 9mm
S&W M&P 9mm
S&W .38 "snubnose"
Taurus Gaucho .45LC
Mosin-nagant M38 7.62x54r
Mossberg pump 12ga. Dunno what model.
AK-47 ("Saiga", rather)
Robinson Arms XCR 5.56 NATO.

(Why? Because I don't have much else to spend my money on these days)

Shot:
A lot of stuff. Most recently, Browning .50 machine gun, out of a Huey.

As for the automatic weapons thing: They're pretty much illegal unless you jump through a lot of hoops (paperwork, licensing, fees, etc), and their only purpose outside of combat is recreation. I don't understand the appeal, unless you're rich-- If you're buying your own ammunition, a box of 9 mil costs twenty bucks, and will last about three seconds. Not worth it, but then, I'm not rich.

Also, goddamn I hate the M16/AR15. Just sayin'.

It's strange. I live in one of the most dangerous cities in the world but I only know ONE person who owns a gun, and I don't think the laws here are more stringent than they are anywhere else.

Shooting ranges are fun as shit, though.

Just remember those rounds go a loooooooong way.

More important, do you own a chainsaw?

Well, I guess its safe to say that the King of England wont be butting into any of your houses anytime in the near future.
Also, my family owns a couple guns, and we have several shotguns and rifles back in the ranch. we use the shotguns mostly to hunt quails when they threaten the crops and the high power rifles to kill boars because they are a national plague over here and are fucking our ecosystem...and because when a mad boar charges at your pickup truck, you bet a rifle comes in handy.

EDIT: Oddly enough, shotgun is the sole firearm I've never shoot in my life; have shoot with pistols and rifles, but I really cant see myself using a shotgun....I do own a crowbar i keep in a closet in case of zombie outbreak/dimensional alien invasion.

I have gone duck hunting once and never any other kind but I would love to get the chance to handgun hunt wild boar with my .41 Magnum.

have:
sig p226, 9mm
glock 22, .40 s&w
norinco government 1911a1, .45acp
norinco officers model, .45acp
smith and weson 422, .22
chinese sks, 7.62 x 39
cz858, 7.62 x 39
ruger 10/22, .22
norinco trainer rifle, .22
remington 870, 12 gauge
remington 700 sps varmint, .308
marlin 336, 30/30
1915 lee enfield, .303, used in world war 2
1895 mauser, 7x57, I believe used in the second Boer war
Italian shotgun, .410
Stevens 200, .223
2 x Norinco m305 (m14 clone), .308

The reason I own guns is that they are fun. That and I really enjoy a well engineered piece of machinery, whatever it may be. Like that 1895 rifle, it's 114 years old, but still solid, and locks up beautifully. On a side note, yes I do believe in the inherent right to self defence, and as mentioned above, now being responsible for two children, this to me is more important than ever. Like Clarence Worley says, I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Well, you better have one steady arm and nerves of steel, because when you miss a shot at one of those fuckers, they notice...and charge right at you most times, hellbent on ripping your legs, kneecaps and gut with those thick, razor sharp tusks.
God help you if it was a mother with her little ones hidden nearby; the bitch wont quit until either her or everything that qualifies as "threat to her young" is dead and torn to pieces.
Also, I have seen a grown country man jump on top of a charging boar and cut the throat of the beast with his knife.
So yeah, the John Locke method works in real life, but only if you're one mean and tough bastard.