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post #1 of 85
9/17/09 at 9:37am
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I personally cant wait to see Kimbo (hopefully) get his ass handed to him.

And that first fight was brutal in a pathetic sort of way.
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post #2 of 85
9/17/09 at 2:53pm
That first fight alternately awed and saddened me. While Abe Wagner's lack of will to fight was depressing to say the least, the prolific amounts of blood issuing forth from his cranium was a sight to behold.
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post #3 of 85
9/17/09 at 2:58pm
Fights like that make me wonder how much crimson do you need to lose from your dome before you pass out? Evidently you can lose a few gallons and still remain somewhat conscious.
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post #4 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:02pm
Maybe it's just the way they are trying to skew things, but so far it appears:

Rampage is a terrible coach. He is a great fighter no doubt, but doesn't appear to be very astute in picking talent, training people or helping them with a game plan based on their strengths.

Kimbo was pretty low key and seemed pretty humble for the most part. He knows what people think of him and wasn't trying to do anything more than try his hardest and accept his role as the underdog. Honestly I'm kind of rooting for the guy to show that he has more in him than just being a back yard brawler.

That fight was one of the bloodiest messes ever! Did you see the close up of the wound at the end? Holy shit...that thing looked like it went all the way down to his skull.

The bloodiness of the fight aside it was a pretty boring fight and completely one sided. The only advice Rampage apparently had to give his fighter was "you need to do something!".
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post #5 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:06pm
Yeah, so far Rampage's only guidance seems to be "Don't shake hands!"

I did like when he was looking at his clipboard after he first picked Kimbo.

"Did I spell your name right?"
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post #6 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:23pm
Any youtube of the bloody fight?
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post #7 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
Fights like that make me wonder how much crimson do you need to lose from your dome before you pass out? Evidently you can lose a few gallons and still remain somewhat conscious.
What was that fight a year or so ago where one guy was bleeding so badly that the other guy swallowed like a pint of his blood? I think I remember reading that dude threw up the other guy's blood for like 30 minutes right after the fight.
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post #8 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:40pm
Rd. 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UovCW...eature=related

Rd. 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwobN...eature=channel
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post #9 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:44pm
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What was that fight a year or so ago where one guy was bleeding so badly that the other guy swallowed like a pint of his blood? I think I remember reading that dude threw up the other guy's blood for like 30 minutes right after the fight.
Penn-Stevenson at UFC 80 was fairly bloody, at least on the part of Joe Stevenson. I don't remember anything about Penn swallowing his blood, though I imagine he got his fill considering how long they rolled around on the mat. If I vomited my opponent's blood for 30 mins after a fight, I'd be through with MMA. Through.
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post #10 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:47pm
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What was that fight a year or so ago where one guy was bleeding so badly that the other guy swallowed like a pint of his blood? I think I remember reading that dude threw up the other guy's blood for like 30 minutes right after the fight.
Not sure which one that is, but I'd love to see it.

Other than a few clips here and there I haven't seen a lot of the comedic stylings of Rampage. I'm glad this show will open me up to his hilarious taunts and outbursts.
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post #11 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:47pm
Oh-hooooooo no
*gigantic cut warning*

http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploa...wagner-cut.jpg

And Rampage "titties" Jackson made the show worth watching. The first episode really Had nothing else going for it.
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post #12 of 85
9/17/09 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by wadew1 View Post
Oh-hooooooo no
*gigantic cut warning*

http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploa...wagner-cut.jpg
All I could think of was this...

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post #13 of 85
9/17/09 at 4:53pm
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Yeah I knew Rampage was in for trouble when he kept saying "All my guys are bigger than the other guys."

If only it were that simple...
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post #14 of 85
9/17/09 at 6:01pm
Meh, the cut was brutal but for actual blood loss that fight didn't have much on a ton of great UFC bloodbaths, see:

Penn vs Stevenson


Edwin Dewees Vs. Gideon Ray

Struve vs Stoijnic

or the Marvin Eastman cut when he fought Vitor



Gotta agree about Rashad being a far better coach at this point; I wonder if Rampage's team gets dominated all season and that's part of the reason he opted out of the finale fight to do the A-Team?
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post #15 of 85
9/17/09 at 6:26pm
I don't usually find Rampage all that funny, but I was rolling when he tried to pick the cameraman over the last fighter in line.
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post #16 of 85
9/18/09 at 8:16am
Holy lord, I finally watched this last night. That was no cut--that guy's head was fucking splitting open. *shivers*
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post #17 of 85
9/18/09 at 9:02am
Despite dominating that fight and making some effective Elbow Strikes, Madsen can't close worth a shit. The guy just lies there for two rounds and bled, and yet he somehow couldn't get a submission in there against a guy with zero ground skills?


And Kimbo has the right attitude going in. If the guy takes the time to build a ground game, he may have a shot considering the fact that he's in some phenomenal physical shape. I'm interested to see how this pans out.
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post #18 of 85
9/18/09 at 12:00pm
MMA has an issue with poorly conditioned athletes. Madsen was just horribly out of shape and unable to attack frequently enough to close the fight out.

Basically, people need to realize that Fedor's physique is an aberration, not the rule.
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post #19 of 85
9/18/09 at 1:55pm
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MMA has an issue with poorly conditioned athletes. Madsen was just horribly out of shape and unable to attack frequently enough to close the fight out.

Basically, people need to realize that Fedor's physique is an aberration, not the rule.
The bigger you go, the worse the conditioning gets unfortunately. To these guys' credit though, this season was supposed to be light heavy and middleweight, and when Kimbo became available, they switched last minute to heavyweight and called a bunch of guys in for a last minute try out. Some were even hand selected and didn't have to go through the process. If they were between fights they may not have been near optimal fitness.

However, Madsen was clearly gassed, though rolling around with a heavy can do that to a person. His ground game was shite though. I hope those ex-NFLers will show the other guys what real conditioning can do for you (except Marcus Jones, who looked ripped, but was probably in the worst shape of all).
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post #20 of 85
9/19/09 at 3:45am
That Penn-Stevenson fight was horribly bloody. When B.J. Penn locked in the RNC to finish you could see the blood squirting out of Stevenson's head and then Penn licked the blood off of his gloves.

Rampage is a terrible coach, he was last time he was on the show too. I just don't think he gives a shit about actually coaching and more about the exposure he gets. He's a good fighter and can be humorous at times, but I don't understand why he's so loved because he is a dick a lot of the times.

Rashad on the other hand seems to be taking the coaching seriously, he even brought in Greg Jackson to help him evaluate the fighters and pick his team.

I thought it was a mistake by both coaches to ignore Roy Nelson for as long as they did. He's the only guy on that show with anything remotely resembling credentials.

The banter between Rampage and Evans should be entertaining though.
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post #21 of 85
9/24/09 at 12:03am
Alright. Kimbo vs. Roy "Big Country" Nelson next week. Rashad's team has the huge advantage and they're using it to take out Kimbo. I gotta say that's a great move - get Kimbo early before he picks up too many skills, and throw your most experienced, well-rounded guy at him. If Kimbo grabs this win, much respect.
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post #22 of 85
9/24/09 at 11:29am
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What a pathetic fight that was.
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post #23 of 85
9/24/09 at 2:57pm
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What a pathetic fight that was.
Yeah. Shivers was totally spent after a minute and McSweeney wasn't too far behind. His leg kicks sounded devastating though. We probably won't get a decent match for a few weeks, after the guys start getting into decent cardiovascular shape. A shame.
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post #24 of 85
9/25/09 at 12:40am
Shivers was absolutely huge. And they both gassed ridiculously early, that is the biggest reason why I don't enough a lot of HW fights.
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post #25 of 85
9/25/09 at 10:35am
Yeah, always the biggest downside to heavyweights is how quickly they gas (Larger area to supply oxygen to and all that). Considering how intensely cardio MMA fighting is, it's no surprise that the Middle and Welter weight divisions are the biggest crowd drawers.

And I'm still trying to figure out why McSweeney won.
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post #26 of 85
9/26/09 at 12:45am
McSweeney: 3-4
Schoonover: 10-0

http://www.spike.com/video/trouble-in-paradise/3254143
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post #27 of 85
9/26/09 at 1:17am
Kimbo may have his hands full this week. Big Country is a tough fight.
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post #28 of 85
10/1/09 at 12:21am
Roy Nelson vs. Kimbo Slice. Hmm. Spoiler: Interesting fight while standing. When it went to the ground...a whole lot of suck. Nelson pulled a Brock Lesnar and just sat on him and tapped him upside the head til Herb Dean stopped it. And he didn't stop it because Kimbo was hurt, but because Kimbo had no idea how to get 300 lbs of flab from atop himself. Dana White seemed kind of sad that Kimbo lost, but I'm not at all surprised they're already trumpeting his possible return next episode.
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post #29 of 85
10/1/09 at 12:27am
Yeah, gently tapping people while smothering them with a beer gut isn't going to get BIG COUNTRY a lot of high profile ppv fights.
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post #30 of 85
10/1/09 at 12:35am
Dana White didn't seemed impressed with his "victory". And Slice was quite uneffective with Big Fatass on top of him. I suppose most would be.
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post #31 of 85
10/1/09 at 1:02am
Dana just saw his biggest TUF cash cow go down to a beer gut, he's got to be steaming mad. Kimbo'll be back by some behind the scenes machinations. From the previews it looks like White used his intense hatred to induce Marcus Jones into a heart attack. WELCOME BACK KIMBO!

Rampage is hilarious. If they let Rampage be Rampage in A Team, it might very well be funny as hell. "How you goin' get the Moon offa you?!"
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post #32 of 85
10/1/09 at 2:45am
"The enemy. The innerme. The inner me."

Deep, Kimbo. Deep.
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post #33 of 85
10/1/09 at 9:17am
I'm giving this show a couple more tries. If the fights don't start getting better, the show can fuck right on off. I waited all week to watch this fight and instead of a fight I got...whatever that was.

I second the notion that Rampage is the best thing on the show.

"How you think he aim when he pee?"
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post #34 of 85
10/1/09 at 9:50am
I feel bad for Kimbo. Once he's on the ground, it's like he's just waiting for something to happen for the guy to get off him. He almost flipped that fatass twice, and it would have been great if he could have. I agreed with Dana--dude, that was not an impressive win, so you need to go eat your cheeseburger and shut the fuck up.

And agreeing with the masses--Rampage's comments are about the only reason to watch right now. Love that he cut his hair to match Kimbo's.
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post #35 of 85
10/1/09 at 12:24pm
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Roy Nelson vs. Kimbo Slice. Hmm. Spoiler: Interesting fight while standing. When it went to the ground...a whole lot of suck. Nelson pulled a Brock Lesnar and just sat on him and tapped him upside the head til Herb Dean stopped it. And he didn't stop it because Kimbo was hurt, but because Kimbo had no idea how to get 300 lbs of flab from atop himself. Dana White seemed kind of sad that Kimbo lost, but I'm not at all surprised they're already trumpeting his possible return next episode.
I don't see your comparison between Nelson and Lesnar really holding any water. Lesnar may lay on guys but his punches have bad intentions. Ask Frank Mir's face.
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post #36 of 85
10/1/09 at 12:56pm
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I don't see your comparison between Nelson and Lesnar really holding any water. Lesnar may lay on guys but his punches have bad intentions. Ask Frank Mir's face.
I was comparing Nelson and Lesnar in terms of mounting their opponents and pinning them with their weight. The second part of that, the "tapping Kimbo upside the head" part wasn't part of the comparison. Lesnar looks to knock a guy out or smash his face in, Nelson seemed to be conserving his energy for the dinner table.
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post #37 of 85
10/1/09 at 6:12pm
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I was comparing Nelson and Lesnar in terms of mounting their opponents and pinning them with their weight. The second part of that, the "tapping Kimbo upside the head" part wasn't part of the comparison. Lesnar looks to knock a guy out or smash his face in, Nelson seemed to be conserving his energy for the dinner table.
Fair enough, I guess I read to much into the comparison.
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post #38 of 85
10/1/09 at 6:49pm
I have to admit, I am more of a Boxing fan myself, but even I was drawn to the Kimbo Slice Hype. That "fight" last night should have had Dana Smith cowering in shame. Fat Boy vs. The Heir Apprentice was very disappointing.

As someone stated before, it is no wonder they want to prop Slice up right away, and is very good marketing strategy.
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post #39 of 85
10/2/09 at 4:57am
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I have to admit, I am more of a Boxing fan myself, but even I was drawn to the Kimbo Slice Hype. That "fight" last night should have had Dana Smith cowering in shame. Fat Boy vs. The Heir Apprentice was very disappointing.

As someone stated before, it is no wonder they want to prop Slice up right away, and is very good marketing strategy.
Who is this Dana Smith you speak of and why was she cowering in shame? Do you mean Dana White?
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post #40 of 85
10/2/09 at 1:30pm
And Dana White's been one of the biggest bad-mouthers of Kimbo Slice since he first started appearing on youtube. Financially, he wanted him to succeeed for the PPV draw, but he's definitely not that surprised at this outcome.
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post #41 of 85
10/2/09 at 2:06pm
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Fair enough, I guess I read to much into the comparison.
No, you were right to point it out. Rereading my original post it sounds as if I was indeed comparing both aspects when I only meant to compare the first part of that.

I can't imagine Dana was surprised at the Nelson-Kimbo result. He probably shit his pants when Rashad made that matchup, but that's the risk you take. Of course, I bet he has a few tricks up his sleeve that'll get Kimbo back on the show. At the very least he may give Kimbo a match against a comparable opponent at the TUf finale to beef up the card in the absence of a Rampage-Evans fight.

I can't believe Nelson is still running his mouth about the fight. Now he's accusing ref Herb Dean of colluding with White and the UFC to give Kimbo extra leeway in that match. He thinks it should have been stopped in the 1st round, despite his puches having less effect on Kimbo than his 260+ pounds of girth did. He's burning bridges before he even gets to the other side.
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post #42 of 85
10/8/09 at 11:57am
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Who is this Dana Smith you speak of and why was she cowering in shame? Do you mean Dana White?
Yes, Dana White. I was typing the name of my coworker when writing this response.
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post #43 of 85
10/8/09 at 12:34pm
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It was refreshing to finally see the fight where the two guys both knew what they were doing.

Although Rampage cracks me up, hes obviously a horrible coach and I dont see things getting better for him any time soon.
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post #44 of 85
10/8/09 at 1:07pm
Rampage has to be the worst coach I've ever seen. I love how he's only now realizing that his strategy of picking the buffest guys was maybe not such a smart one. Abe Wagner: no heart. Wes Shivers: no conditioning. Kimbo Slice: no ground game. Demico Rogers: can't finish from side control. Not to mention Marcus Jones almost drowning in his own sweat. Can Scott Junk and Wes "The Mouth" Sims save this team???

Even Rashad was feeling bad for Rampage's team. Damn.
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post #45 of 85
10/8/09 at 10:12pm
When Rampage went up against Forrest in TUF 7, only two of his guys advanced. Forrest had six.
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post #46 of 85
10/14/09 at 11:58pm
Wes Sims chalks up another loss for team Rampage. I can see why Jackson jumped ship for A Team...he was embarrassed by his performance in TUF. Funny that his best looking fighter so far has been Kimbo. What is that 2-10 for Rampage in TUF competition now? The only way it can get worse is if he loses to "Titties," aka Darrill Schoonover.
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post #47 of 85
10/15/09 at 12:03am
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The only way it can get worse is if he loses to "Titties," aka Darrill Schoonover.
Oh shit! Next week "Titties" gets all up in Rampage's face! His downfall is nearly complete. Now, the only way it could get better is if Kimbo comes back and loses to "titties."
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post #48 of 85
10/15/09 at 12:06am
The highlight of this episode was the teaser for the next episode. They did their usual SOMEONE WILL GET HURT tease and then cut to a lol shot of an excited Kimbo raising his hands in the air.
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post #49 of 85
10/15/09 at 12:40am
Wes Sims: The best ground game, the best fighter.
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post #50 of 85
10/15/09 at 12:54am
"Raise 'em right!"

Rampage may be a shit coach but he sure can deliver the yuk yuks.
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