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post #151 of 189
12/21/09 at 12:23am
Russell was able to advance himself to the end of the game, but I agree with Jaison, Natalie played the better game. I would change my mind if the jury situation was different, but there was no way in hell that all the people that Russell backstabbed would end up voting for him in the end.

Also, except for the coconut challenge, and the very last immunity challenge, Natalie did just as good as Russell in the challenges. IMO she deserved the reward.

I'll still root for Russell in Heroes vs Villians (because he is entertaining). But I'm hoping Coach will outlast him and have more screen time.
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post #152 of 189
12/21/09 at 12:25am
I just have to wonder how much of "I saw strong women getting kicked out" was strategy and how much of it was justification for her not doing much.
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post #153 of 189
12/21/09 at 12:36am
It definitely sounds like justification to me. But she did initiate Eric getting voted out, which was the point in the game that gave the Foa Foa members a shot to stay in the game.
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post #154 of 189
12/21/09 at 12:46am
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Natalie should thank Erik because he swung the vote. Russell was right when he said his chances were slightly above average, but it swayed big time when Erik gave his speech. Jury's are always swayed by passion (it goes all the way back to Season 1 where Kelly had it in the bag until Sue's "snake and rat" speech) and the pure emotion coming from Erik - it almost seemed like he was going to cry - carried the day IMHO.

Until tonight, Rob C. was the greatest player to never have won. Now he's #2. I may not like Russell personally, but he played a good game. This isn't "moral" Survivor. I really hate that argument. The worst part about Natalie winning is that she's going to think its because she is a "God Warrior".
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post #155 of 189
12/21/09 at 12:49am
And Russell gets the cash!
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post #156 of 189
12/21/09 at 12:58am
Let's make it official though, Russel IS the best survivor player thus far.
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post #157 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:04am
Any idea if this coming season will be the last?
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post #158 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:05am
But unfortunately he is not the "Soul Survivor." I'm wondering if he didn't do too hot in Heroes vs. Villians if he was this passionate about his loss tonight.
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post #159 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:06am
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Originally Posted by Bloody Wanker View Post
But unfortunately he is not the "Soul Survivor." I'm wondering if he didn't do too hot in Heroes vs. Villians if he was this passionate about his loss tonight.
MAJOR SPOILER FOR HEROES VS. VILLAINS:

All indications are that Russell makes it to the final three.
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post #160 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:07am
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I bet it will depend on how well the season does.

I posted this previously in the thread, but Heroes vs. Villains will be great because no one will see Russell coming. Survivor shot the two seasons back to back, so everyone playing the game will not have seen Somoa before leaving for the shoot. Russell knows all about the previous players tricks, but they won't have know his. I bet he makes it far. He should think about being less abrasive, but he wouldn't be Russell if he did.

ETA: Stop posting spoilers. I'm too weak not to look. Must hold out!!!
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post #161 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:09am
Considering how great the ratings have been this season, I can't imagine the show not being renewed for seasons 21 and beyond.
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post #162 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:10am
Yeah they filmed Heroes vs. Villains a lot sooner than they usually do for Spring seasons. They tend to shoot during November-December. Apparently this was done around September-October. So Russell got next to no downtime and jumped immediately into this.
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post #163 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:15am
Probst said Feb. 11 is when the next one started.
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post #164 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:30am
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But unfortunately he is not the "Soul Survivor." I'm wondering if he didn't do too hot in Heroes vs. Villians if he was this passionate about his loss tonight.
Nor was he the "Sole Survivor" but win or not Natalie was all but a non entity gameplay wise. Russel losing because "he was mean" is stupid. If anyone says they'll remember Natalie over Russel in ten years they're lying.
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post #165 of 189
12/21/09 at 1:40am
Juries have always tended to be sore-losing asswipes. Yet another example.
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post #166 of 189
12/21/09 at 4:20am
Russell couldn't read the emotional vibe from the jury. His over-the-top arrogance and preening about his gameplay (justified, of course) wouldn't play with this group, and they punished him for it. A more rational and less high-strung jury (like, say, last season) might have gone his way.
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post #167 of 189
12/21/09 at 2:34pm
I don't really have anything to add except that Laura is a grandmother. I'll say that again: Laura is a grandmother. What the what?
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post #168 of 189
12/21/09 at 2:35pm
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I don't really have anything to add except that Laura is a grandmother. I'll say that again: Laura is a grandmother. What the what?
She could be in her 40s and be a grandmother.
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post #169 of 189
12/21/09 at 2:37pm
According to the Survivor website, she's 39 so, of course, it's entirely possible.
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post #170 of 189
12/21/09 at 3:29pm
What a ripoff. People are so jealous. This is like if Mike V. didn't win Top Chef.
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post #171 of 189
12/21/09 at 3:55pm
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Some of you may know that my college friend Bob was on Survivor Panama: Exile Island. Anyway, he posted some photos on Facebook of a Survivor reunion party held two weekends ago. I just had to share a few.

Here's BobDawg with Bruce and Russell; not sure who the chick is. (It's Jodi Wincheski from the Amazing Race 14)


Russell with what seems to be a replica of the hidden immunity idol necklace


James showing off some skin his his tight v-neck tee. (The girl is Kendra Guffey from a show called Pirate Master)
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post #172 of 189
12/21/09 at 4:47pm
I really hate survivor jury's but it's not like they would change their system now. Mick seemed to not be thrilled with natalies win either. Or I could be projecting.
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post #173 of 189
12/21/09 at 5:03pm
Juries tend to talk outta their asses as to why they voted. This shouldn't have come as a surprise knowing past seasons.
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post #174 of 189
12/21/09 at 5:11pm
Having a jury does seem to go against the idea of being the sole survivor. It's like having the beaten playoff teams vote on who should win the Super Bowl. But that's the game, and you have to be aware of it.
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post #175 of 189
12/21/09 at 5:38pm
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It also didn't help Russell that the jury was made entirely out of Galu, save for Jaison. Usually the finalists have some allies on the jury.
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post #176 of 189
12/21/09 at 5:42pm
Yeah, and he made the mistake of not underlining what Jeff said at the beginning -- the final three voted for every single person on the jury. At least Russell was up front about it, but Natalie played the "oh I just stayed under the radar" card when she wrote down the name of every jury member too.
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post #177 of 189
12/21/09 at 6:52pm
I maintain that if Russell had shown an ounce of remorse, fake or genuine, then he would have won. He could have just said, "I'm sorry, but this is how the game is played." Instead, he said "Suck it, whiners, this is how the game is played!" and alienated an already emotionally volatile jury.

For those of us who've followed the various seasons, Russell should have taken a tip from of Chris Daugherty, winner from Survivor: Vanuatu. Chris also manipulated a bunch of folks and made many false promises/alliances, screwed a bunch of folks over and caused more than one Jury member to cry at Final Tribal. However, instead of just owning his deceptive ways, Chris put on a show of "I'm so sorry!" He won $1,000,000.
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post #178 of 189
12/21/09 at 7:14pm
Chris was so clearly faking it to the jury. Wasn't even funny how phoney it was. But he told them exactly what they wanted to hear. Twila kept digging her hole deeper and deeper I remember.
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post #179 of 189
12/21/09 at 7:21pm
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Chris was so clearly faking it to the jury. Wasn't even funny how phoney it was. But he told them exactly what they wanted to hear. Twila kept digging her hole deeper and deeper I remember.
Twila basically told a couple of the female jury members to get bent. It was weirdly admirable, in a way.
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post #180 of 189
12/21/09 at 8:14pm
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I maintain that if Russell had shown an ounce of remorse, fake or genuine, then he would have won. He could have just said, "I'm sorry, but this is how the game is played." Instead, he said "Suck it, whiners, this is how the game is played!" and alienated an already emotionally volatile jury.
Yup, Russell thought that the jury would "respect" his game play. He seriously underestimated people's feelings. Gotta give him props for sticking to his guns. I loved at the finale when Jaison was still whining about his socks and Russell pulls out a pair from his pants and drops it in the fire. One of the best moments of the night.
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post #181 of 189
12/21/09 at 8:19pm
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Yup, Russell thought that the jury would "respect" his game play. He seriously underestimated people's feelings. Gotta give him props for sticking to his guns. I loved at the finale when Jaison was still whining about his socks and Russell pulls out a pair from his pants and drops it in the fire. One of the best moments of the night.
The fact that Russell KNEW Jaison would cry about those socks speaks volumes. Natalie probably didn't even remember Jaison much less his socks.
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post #182 of 189
12/22/09 at 7:24am
So, do Survivors get together and have parties? Wild.

Nothing much to add, other than damn. But again, there have been about four times the best player actually won. Russell looked pissed off all night, which is a shame, as the last damn thing he needed was the title of Sole Survivor. He didn't need the money, and in fact made 200 grand off this venture anyway, and I've never heard a 'villain' get cheered like that at a reunion before. All he misses out on is joining the august company of names like Vecepia, Chris, and Danni. Instead, he can be named alongside Richard Hatch, Coach, or Cirie, aka the greats.
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post #183 of 189
12/22/09 at 8:59am
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So, do Survivors get together and have parties? Wild.
Oh yeah and a lot of charity events. That's why Lex took it so personal during All-Stars because he spent all his downtime re-affirming alliances with players from his season and others...including Boston Rob. Hell him and Amber had already been dating for awhile.
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post #184 of 189
12/22/09 at 9:34am
The Onion picked Russell playing the second hidden immunity idol as one of its TV moments of the year, and when he plays it and as his invalid votes are read out, there's Erik grinning and pumping his fists. Kinda of hypocritical the way he pounced on him at the final council.
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post #185 of 189
12/22/09 at 10:42am
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So, do Survivors get together and have parties? Wild.
Yeah, like every weekend. They make up holidays and charities just so they have an excuse to get together. If I lived in LA, I would make Bob take me to every one of them.
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post #186 of 189
12/22/09 at 11:09pm
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Just friended Russ on Facebook. I'm the person they invented privacy settings for. Here is Russ as an oil man.





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post #187 of 189
12/23/09 at 5:04am
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Erik grinning and pumping his fists. Kinda of hypocritical the way he pounced on him at the final council.
Erik was a douche to everyone. His blindside was my fave moment of the season along with Russell playing the 2nd idol.
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post #188 of 189
12/24/09 at 8:32pm
Aside from the final vote it was a great season. I only wish that Natalie and Brett had tried to 'cure' Shambo. And the idea that Mick and Natalie played a more honest game than Russell is pretty laughable; they were more than happy to let him do their dirty work. Russell is definitely my favorite player ever.
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post #189 of 189
12/24/09 at 9:14pm
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Monica all dolled up at some event. HELLO!

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