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When the Internet becomes irrelevant

post #1 of 12
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Just finished reading a Time Magazine article (print version!) on how the rising bureaucracy and increased protections on Wikipedia have led to a serious drop-off in new material over the last year or so, and now I go on YouTube and find five videos in a row, some with literally millions of views, stripped of their audio to cover themselves against copyright infringement. As an experiment I start doing random searches of every topic imaginable and if it's not some random person fucking around talking into a webcam, it's lost its audio. YouTube may be protecting itself against legal action but I immediately thought to myself "this is the day YouTube lost its relevance." The 60s are over, Myspace is dead, and everybody that survived those chaotic days is cutting their hair, putting on their business suits and grabbing their briefcases, done with their "don't trust any websites over 4 years old" rhetoric and happily selling out, prepping for their Reagan Democrats transition.

Only, in the process, these sites are forgetting what made them popular in the first place, and one of the main things is pure unfettered freedom. Look how Napster begat Morpheus begat Kazaa begat Limewire begat Pirate's Bay: as soon as one went legit or overrun with spam another immediately popped up supplying the new demand, and the old site became a shadow, a joke.

If Youtube bans all copyrighted material people will simply flock elsewhere and whatever big corporation snapped it up when it was cool will find themselves with a user base of older people who are just catching on and don't know all the cool kids have left. GrooveShark will explode, sell out, and die just the same. How many people felt a sudden icy grip in their innards when they got their first friend request from a buddy's mom or your uncle? If this keeps up and FaceBook becomes too Establishment we could see people diving overboard like rats fleeing a sinking ship or cast members fleeing ER.

Or is the entire Internet too part of the system now, all the fluidity gone and a rigid structure forming that can't be easily changed? Will people grin and bear it when they find themselves unable to get their favorite Muppet Show clip or Mott The Hoople song? Will Facebook statuses across the globe be washed clean of vulgarities and colorfully vile observations as more and more "grown ups" join and college kids realize they can't post pictures of themselves puking in the middle of a kegger blow job?

In the words of the thankfully resilient Onion, what do YOU think?
post #2 of 12
Interesting post. As far as YouTube is concerned, I think that we now have a generation that is entirely used to getting whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and all moral qualms aside I find it very hard to imagine that anything short of measures that would totally erradicate everyone's privacy and fluctuate dangerously into totalitarianism could reverse this situation. So yeah, as soon as YouTube becomes "clean" of non-copyright material, there'll be some new service that steps up.

The weird thing here though - and what net utopian ppl always seem to fail to realise - is that these services are being provided by people who basically want to make a buck: this goes from Napster dude up to Pirate Bay (much as those guys posture to make it seem otherwise.) And from a business perspective, no one seems to have gotten rich off file sharing yet - so I do wonder if we'll run out of enterprising ppl willing to risk getting sued to hell to get a piece of that 2.0 pie.

As far as Facebook goes, there's already a major exodus happening of kids cancelling their accounts in the UK - only question is where to go next, basically.
post #3 of 12
This is even shittier if you're not in the US. Besides "removed because of copyright violation", you also get a ton of "not available in your country" notifications.
post #4 of 12
I just don't get the short sightedness in Hollywood. I just feel that there doesn't yet exist a proper legal format for storing and downloading films online. I just dislike the hassle of buying and storing DVDs in my house when I can have them stored in a cloud somewhere. Maybe it's the internet speeds not catching up. I don't know. All I know is that there is a void in the market, and Hollywood studios are being slow at filling that demand.

Maybe if they stopped obsessing over 3D glasses and focused more on legal forms of music and file sharing then we'd get somewhere.

Although, I am wondering why studios aren't cutting down and suing people that physically let their friends borrow their DVDs, or hold screenings for their friends, yet go bat-shit crazy for those that share their films online. I understand that you're not making your films available to the pubic to the extent that torrents do, but it is technically still file sharing and you're not making money off of it.
post #5 of 12
I find it interesting that you post this topic here on CHUD because I often get the feeling that many on this site take the side of the MPAA (and indirectly the RIAA) on these matters, which is quite unusual in the internet.

I was affected by this with a little video I did of one of my RC planes. I used one of the songs in the soundtracks for the 1st transformers movie, just because I thought it fit well with my video. After a while I got the notice saying I was violating their copyright and they had removed my audio, when that happens they offer you a set of songs they control on their side. The choices are abysmal of course, also when you do this only the song plays, you can't mix in your audio and sound effects.

Really makes you wonder why a corporation really be bothered by this type of video, which is a hobby thing and practically nobody is going to download my video to get to their soundtrack. Even with most of the tools out there for free to rip that audio, the effort is not worth the $0.99 somebody would spend in youtube, nor would anybody want to enjoy this song with the sounds of my laughter and airplane sound effects.

And that's just a silly RC airplane video, it gets worse if you want to use some music for a personal video, specially a wedding. Most wedding videographers I've seen are technically violating the law, because nobody wants to use generic background music for their wedding video. Why the music industry makes it so difficult for these people to include the songs their customers want on their videos is again more greedy short sightedness that ends up making everybody get involved in supposedly "illegal" activity.

It's silly, but Google doesn't have much of a choice though. The real idiots here are the MPAA and the RIAA, which to this day are still trying to slowly wrap their heads around how to deal with the internet.
post #6 of 12
I don't know if I'd blame Wikipedia for clamping down on submissions, considering the rampant vandalism that goes on with some of the articles. They've always seemed to have an eye towards academic legitimacy, so it's natural they'd eventually take a stronger hand with their content.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I don't know if I'd blame Wikipedia for clamping down on submissions, considering the rampant vandalism that goes on with some of the articles. They've always seemed to have an eye towards academic legitimacy, so it's natural they'd eventually take a stronger hand with their content.
I agree, I just feel it's a shame that as soon as this happened the rate of new content hit a wall and dropped off dramatically.
post #8 of 12
I study journalism and it's sorta hilarious how "wikipedia is not a reliable source, anyone can edit it!" went so quickly from something teachers would tell us with a stern face to something you shout out in a wide eyed expression of panic to get roffles.
post #9 of 12
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Or is the entire Internet too part of the system now, all the fluidity gone and a rigid structure forming that can't be easily changed? Will people grin and bear it when they find themselves unable to get their favorite Muppet Show clip or Mott The Hoople song? Will Facebook statuses across the globe be washed clean of vulgarities and colorfully vile observations as more and more "grown ups" join and college kids realize they can't post pictures of themselves puking in the middle of a kegger blow job?

In the words of the thankfully resilient Onion, what do YOU think?
To me it's the old "Alternative is the new mainstream" money-making philosophy. The "old" people and the "mainstream" have bought into the YouTube and the MyFace because it's the new, cool gadget.

As for the outlaws, the true alternatives, they'll always be around. There will always be guys pasting Cure beats onto Police guitar riffs. There's always going to be movie clips floating around somewhere.

Frankly, and I know this sounds elitist, I'm ready for a lot of the internet garbage to shake off. Personally, I'm not proud, impressed, or excited when civilization can only come up with new ways to tell dick jokes.
post #10 of 12
Government regulation followed by corporate takeover and consolidation is inevitable.
post #11 of 12
There was always this disconnect between the rhetoric of file sharing defenders (amazing way for new artists to be uncovered without the help of establishment structures!) and the way that it was actually used by the public at large (FREE BRITNEY SPEARS MP3S), and I always found it disingenious when people assumed that record companie's main concern was getting made redundant by some sort of futuristic cottage industry of Real Music, and not simply that people were getting their best selling product for free. The Internet certainly provided an enormous service in making it easier for geeks and niche enthusiasts to band together and indulge in their obsessions, but as for the giant music stars that people in the early 00's kept predicting would pop up exclusively through Internet word-of-mouth...well, by the time that actually happened (Artic Monkeys is the first example I can think of), the narrative had already been pretty clearly co-opted by the record companies and there was a big ring of fakeness to the rags-to-riches story, courtesy blog hype and viral marketing.

As for social networking, Myspace may have cultivated a certain counter-culture pose, but really how edgy could a movement started by a site called "Friendster" be? I never ever saw social networking as "alternative" - it was generational, sure, but so was American Bandstand.

I think the main reason the establishment hates/hated the Internet is because it's just this unpredictable ever changing whirl of information that it's very tricky to understand how to make money off. And I think that's still true, and the issue of file sharing for one still remains unresolved: I really have no idea how it'll pan out, because - for better or for worse - I'm pretty sure people won't go back to paying for their media. I don't doubt the "true alternatives" will remain around, either - partly bcause they were never the establishment's worry in the first place!
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Government regulation followed by corporate takeover and consolidation is inevitable.
and then awareness, and then? Judgment Day.
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