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post #101 of 149
9/24/09 at 4:46pm
you flew too close to the sun, Snaieke
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post #102 of 149
9/24/09 at 4:51pm
Err.. dyslexic also... damnit... DAMNIT.

I dun fucked it all up.
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post #103 of 149
9/24/09 at 6:39pm
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Err.. dyslexic also... damnit... DAMNIT.

I dun fucked it all up.
It's ^%$ing distracting! ... you and I are done, professionally.
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post #104 of 149
9/24/09 at 7:12pm
I fucking live in Kentucky (the good p- ... er, the less abominable part) and this is not business as usual for Kentuckians. We don't have federal employees (or anyone else) murdered with messages attached to their corpses. Not since Jim Crow, anyway. It's bizarre for people to say that this is ordinary in the region.

Also, full agreement on Devin's "Operation Hillbilly Barbeque" thing. The scene of the crime is quite far from me. But even if I'm bombed by accident... I'll take one for the team. The goddamn place has it coming.
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post #105 of 149
9/24/09 at 9:38pm
On a side note, has anyone else noticed that all of a sudden Princess Kate's posts are both succinct and coherent? I am really impressed.
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post #106 of 149
9/24/09 at 9:45pm
I've noticed. She's not the same poster she was when she initially replaced Domingo as Target Of The Month.

I have family in Tennessee and Kentucky. I got to grow up a New England Yankee because the General Dynamics shipyard offered my maternal grandfather a way out of the coal mines and the Navy was Dad's ticket out of Louisville.

I'm an Army veteran, but I shake the hand of every submariner I meet. God bless the Navy.
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post #107 of 149
9/24/09 at 9:48pm
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On a side note, has anyone else noticed that all of a sudden Princess Kate's posts are both succinct and coherent? I am really impressed.
I've been making an effort, glad it shows!
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post #108 of 149
9/24/09 at 10:01pm
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I've been making an effort, glad it shows!
She is nobody's little weasel!
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post #109 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:06am
Area where census worker died has troubled history

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"We are not downplaying the significance of his position with the U.S. Census bureau," said Capt. Lisa Rudzinski, commander of the Kentucky State Police post in London. "We can assure the public we are looking at every possible aspect of Mr. Sparkman's death."

But locals are already bracing for suggestions that the killing was the result of anti-government sentiment in the mountains. It does not help that the death occurred in impoverished Clay County, one of the poorest in the country with an unemployment rate of 14.5 percent and an overall poverty rate more than three times the national average.

Sparkman, a Boy Scout leader and substitute teacher who was supplementing his income as a part-time census field worker, was found Sept. 12 in a remote patch of the Daniel Boone National Forest.

Police said Thursday that the preliminary cause of death was asphyxiation. Authorities said Sparkman, who a friend said had been treated for cancer, was found with a rope around his neck that was tied to a tree, but that he was "in contact with the ground."

The word "fed" had been scrawled on his chest, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to discuss the case.

Dee Davis, president of the Center for Rural Strategies in nearby Whitesburg, said the federal government has done "precious little" in Clay County other than building a federal prison in Manchester in the 1990s. But he is not aware of any deep-seated hatred of the government.

"Government is not seen as the enemy, except for people who might fear getting caught for what they're doing," he said.

Army retiree George Robinson did door-to-door census work in Clay County in 2000. No one ever threatened him, but some people questioned why the government needed to know some of the information, especially income, requested on the census form.

"You meet some strange people," he said. "Nothing is a surprise in Clay County."

Appalachia — particularly eastern Kentucky — has long had an image of being wary of and sometimes hostile toward strangers. Incidents such as the September 1967 shooting of Canadian filmmaker Hugh O'Connor — who was gunned down by an enraged landowner while making a documentary on poverty in nearby Letcher County — have done nothing to dispel such notions.

O'Connor was killed as President Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty highlighted the region's destitution. Many locals, such as confessed shooter Hobart Ison, had long since grown tired of outsiders exploiting the region's natural resources.

University of Pittsburgh sociologist Kathleen Blee, co-author of a book about Clay County, says that when she heard of Sparkman's death, she initially wondered whether he had stumbled across a marijuana plot.

Pot growers seeking to avoid federal forfeiture statutes often plant their crops on national forest land and have even been known to booby-trap plots with explosives and rattlesnakes.

"Like any poor county, people are engaged in a variety of revenue sources," she said. "Not all of them legal."

Davis acknowledged Clay's "pretty wild history of a black market economy, a drug economy." He noted that Sparkman's death occurred at a time when marijuana producers are typically harvesting their crop.

"And so you have to be careful when you send some unsuspecting guy who's just trying to earn a buck to feed his family," he said. "Things can go bad really quickly."

Although the Census Bureau could not immediately offer statistics on violence against its workers, such incidents are not unheard of.

In 2000, a Milwaukee-area man was charged with battery for allegedly trying to shove a 74-year-old census worker down a flight of stairs. And in 2002, a Sacramento businessman was sentenced to a year in prison for violently dragging a 68-year-old widow off his property as she tried to explain the count's importance.

After Sparkman's body was found, the Census Bureau suspended door-to-door interviews in rural Clay County until the investigation is complete.

The bureau has yet to begin canvassing for the 2010 head count, but thousands of field workers like Sparkman are doing smaller surveys on various demographic topics on behalf of federal agencies.

Mary Hibbard, a teacher at an adult learning center in Manchester, said Sparkman visited her house this summer. He asked basic information, like the size of her house, how many rooms it had and how much she paid monthly on her electric bill.

She seized the opportunity to ask him about his faith.

"You come to my house, we're going to talk religion," she said.

Eastern Kentucky is a region of many churches, and Hibbard thinks most people in the area would be shocked if it turns out Sparkman was murdered.

"I think the negative publicity of it is a stigma on our county," she said. "It makes people think less of us, even though this is an isolated incident. When it happens here, it seems like it's emphasized."
It appears Agee's take is more than valid. They're beyond both help and, apparently, any sort of indictment. Even the white coat crowd can do nothing but shrug and go on with life.

Best just to write this area off as some quarantine zone to be pitied and, more importantly, fuckin' avoided!
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post #110 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:14am
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On a side note, has anyone else noticed that all of a sudden Princess Kate's posts are both succinct and coherent? I am really impressed.
Having her the first person on "ignore" since around 2002 keeps me from having these epiphanies. But please, keep encouraging "her".
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post #111 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:30am
You don't have to be a white racist southern moonshining nazi to take out someone nosing into your business...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-OyDenTrA

I bet he stumbled into someone's drug territory.
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post #112 of 149
9/25/09 at 1:14am
Something that hasn't been pointed out yet: The guy was killed on September 11th and found on the day of the Not-Quite-A-Million Moran March. I think that lends credence to the idea that it was a political killing.
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post #113 of 149
9/25/09 at 1:50am
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Something that hasn't been pointed out yet: The guy was killed on September 11th and found on the day of the Not-Quite-A-Million Moran March. I think that lends credence to the idea that it was a political killing.
Wha?!
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post #114 of 149
9/25/09 at 2:37am
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Something that hasn't been pointed out yet: The guy was killed on September 11th and found on the day of the Not-Quite-A-Million Moran March. I think that lends credence to the idea that it was a political killing.
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post #115 of 149
9/25/09 at 3:17am
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You don't have to be a white racist southern moonshining nazi to take out someone nosing into your business...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-OyDenTrA

I bet he stumbled into someone's drug territory.
I had a suspect, but I have a feeling that he's illiterate.
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post #116 of 149
9/25/09 at 8:46am
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Something that hasn't been pointed out yet: The guy was killed on September 11th and found on the day of the Not-Quite-A-Million Moran March. I think that lends credence to the idea that it was a political killing.
Or the fact that September 11 was the day that he just happened to show up there.
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post #117 of 149
9/25/09 at 9:04am
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I had a suspect, but I have a feeling that he's illiterate.
Night Ranger killed him? Damn.......
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post #118 of 149
9/25/09 at 9:48am
Huh.
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post #119 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:03pm
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The overwhelming anger is directed straight at the President. No question. Fear and racism at the core that has manifested into anti-government radicalism. We're threatened and intimidated almost daily, just for trying to earn a days pay and uphold the Constitution. I've been called an "employee of president nigger" and team members have been bitten by dogs and threatened with shotguns.
Sooooo...all their ills have developed only since that negro somehow thugged his way into the oval office?

Ya know what, as one of the comments at General Jesus pointed out, let them resist the census and allow their species to go less and less properly represented. When some hillbilly kicks over an oil lamp while porking his daughter, let him discover there was no need for a fire department in an area with "no countable citizens". I'd say let 'em inbreed themselves right out of functional existence, but that won't work...we've got the Jackson Whites up here to disprove that reasoning.

The folks who continue to simply excuse this type of thing (and the entire region, by extension) as "Well, that's just the way these people are." are as muddle-headed as the southern fools who simply believed slavery was alright because it was bound to wither away all in God's good time. It's cowardly.
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post #120 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:11pm
What's a Jackson White? Am I going to regret asking this?
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post #121 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:20pm
I have to apologize, it was a teensy bit of a joke on inbreeding. Here's a remarkably thorough and fair look at these folk from our chief bastion of cultural observation, Weird NJ.

...and here's a much less subtle example of how they're thought about by the man on the street.
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post #122 of 149
9/25/09 at 12:37pm
I wish I could find it now but I read an amazing piece by a man whose best friend in childhood was a so called Jackson White, and the kind of hate and violence they endured and the abuse he got for being a friend of one. I find this whole mythos completely fascinating.
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post #123 of 149
9/25/09 at 1:54pm
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With trembling voice as if he'd just been a witness to some incredible conspiracy:

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THAT is a Census worker with a GPS. WITH A GPS!!
haha
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post #124 of 149
9/25/09 at 1:56pm
I like how GPS is apparently some major insidious technology to him. Especially considering I get it for free on my goddamn cell phone.
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post #125 of 149
9/25/09 at 2:13pm
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What's a Jackson White? Am I going to regret asking this?
Guitarist. Formed a band with his ex. Quite the creative rocker.
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post #126 of 149
9/25/09 at 2:14pm
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I like how GPS is apparently some major insidious technology to him. Especially considering I get it for free on my goddamn cell phone.
That's the genius of it. You think because your cell phone has it on there for free that there is nothing wrong with it. They can track you, man!
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post #127 of 149
9/25/09 at 4:11pm
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Guitarist. Formed a band with his ex. Quite the creative rocker.
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post #128 of 149
9/25/09 at 4:15pm
These guys must get heart attacks when they hear RFID.
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post #129 of 149
9/25/09 at 4:47pm
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These guys must get heart attacks when they hear RFID.
Shit, even I realize RFID is fairly poor from a security standpoint and want nothing to do with it. Horrible comparison.
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post #130 of 149
9/25/09 at 5:01pm
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Shit, even I realize RFID is fairly poor from a security standpoint and want nothing to do with it. Horrible comparison.
I guess you missed the point ... since there are some real concerns about RFID tags (and they're everywhere) then they if a reasonable person is concerned about them they would die at their mere mention.

Having said that, I don't know what you mean by "security standpoint" but RFID tags can be considered an invasion of privacy, but like any technology this can be managed. For inventory tracking, if you are concerned about RFID tags in your products, there are reasonable proposals for "Clipped Tags" that can be removed after you buy the product. Not only that, a lot of RFID tags are not long range nor they need to be, so unlike how too many ignorant people think, they're not tracking your movements with those.

Of course you can just be afraid of the technology and not try to understand the issues around it.
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post #131 of 149
9/25/09 at 5:32pm
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Having said that, I don't know what you mean by "security standpoint" but RFID tags can be considered an invasion of privacy, but like any technology this can be managed. For inventory tracking, if you are concerned about RFID tags in your products, there are reasonable proposals for "Clipped Tags" that can be removed after you buy the product. Not only that, a lot of RFID tags are not long range nor they need to be, so unlike how too many ignorant people think, they're not tracking your movements with those.

Of course you can just be afraid of the technology and not try to understand the issues around it.

Yes but they CAN track your movements in the store.

For Example. I've heard that Walmart has RFID to track your movement in store and put products on the aisles and in the middle based upon consumer movement, so they funnel you like cattle through aisles with tantalizing prods. I've also heard that the secret Walmart data center (you cannot gain access, including building inspectors without signing a NDA) actually tracks consumer data (Age, sex, amount spent, common products, etc...) using facial recognition software and RFID to maximize product push.
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post #132 of 149
9/25/09 at 5:38pm
Yes, but you can already do that without RFID, I've seen it in our labs (what you just mentioned with facial recognition).

We also use eye tracking software to monitor what products you are looking at :-)
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post #133 of 149
9/25/09 at 5:45pm
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I wish I could find it now but I read an amazing piece by a man whose best friend in childhood was a so called Jackson White, and the kind of hate and violence they endured and the abuse he got for being a friend of one. I find this whole mythos completely fascinating.
This?
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post #134 of 149
9/25/09 at 6:47pm
"Census worker’s death might not be homicide"
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...osition=recent

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However, on Thursday, police had not confirmed Sparkman was even doing census work in Clay County at the time he died, said Capt. Lisa Rudzinski, commander of the state police post handling the investigation.

One media report — which quoted a census official saying a computer Sparkman used for census work was found in his truck near the cemetery — wasn’t true, Rudzinski said.

Police found Sparkman’s red pickup truck, but the computer wasn’t in it, she said.

Police have not ruled whether Sparkman’s death resulted from homicide, accident or suicide, Rudzinski said.

"There are too many unanswered questions for us to lean one way or the other," Rudzinski said. "We have not ruled this is a hate crime against a federal employee. We’re still trying to determine if foul play was involved."
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post #135 of 149
9/25/09 at 6:50pm
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Yes. Recommend!
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post #136 of 149
9/25/09 at 11:50pm
Confirmation on the word "FED" written in the man's body;
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090925/D9AUG1FO0.html

With a felt tip pen ...

Even more details;
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...er=rss&emc=rss

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BIG CREEK, Ky. (AP) -- A part-time census worker found hanging in a rural Kentucky cemetery was naked, gagged and had his hands and feet bound with duct tape, said an Ohio man who discovered the body two weeks ago.

Authorities have also said the word ''fed'' was scrawled with a felt-tip pen across 51-year-old Bill Sparkman's chest, but they have released very few details about the case and said investigators have not determined if it was a homicide, suicide or an accident.

Federal, state and local authorities have refused to say if Sparkman was at work going to door-to-door for census surveys in the time before his death, but his Census identification tag was found taped to his body.

Jerry Weaver of Fairfield, Ohio, told The Associated Press on Friday that he was among a group of relatives who made the gruesome discovery on Sept. 12.

''The only thing he had on was a pair of socks,'' Weaver said. ''And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something.''

''And they even had duct tape around his neck. And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder.''

Two people briefed on the investigation said various details of Weaver's account matched the details of the crime scene, though both people said they were not informed who found the body. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

Weaver said he couldn't tell if the tag was a Census Bureau ID because he didn't get close enough to read it. But both of the people briefed on the investigation confirmed Sparkman's Census ID was found taped to his head and shoulder area.

Weaver said he could see something written on Sparkman's chest but he did not go close enough to read it.
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post #137 of 149
9/26/09 at 12:03am
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"There are too many unanswered questions for us to lean one way or the other," Rudzinski said. "We have not ruled this is a hate crime against a federal employee. We’re still trying to determine if foul play was involved."
Intellectually, I completely get the idea that nobody ever wants to say anything about anything until everything is spelled out in a way everyone can wrap their poorly prepared brains around. But C'mon! Still trying to determine foul play?

Even if this guy stripped, marked, gagged, ducted taped **inhale** and killed himself in a way that even Harry Blackstone couldn't swing, someone still would have had to fucking hang him there!

It's becoming clear to me that the chance to correct course has passed. The propensity this nation has for soft-pedaling the antics of the severely uneducated and dangerously socially retarded demographics we have will probably be one of the biggest factor in our ultimate undoing. The mega-church, freedom fry, boot-in-yer-ass patriotism explosion of the last decade has only helped to exacerbate this dreadful situation.

How funny (in the most heartbreaking sense) is it that Obama's election has been the best thing that could have happened to these lunatics? The publishing profits, the messianic ability to move masses, the nourishing environment of an exceptionally tolerant (damn near superhuman, if you ask me!) administration...it's like batshit Christmas! Most saddening is our complicity in it all; our refusal to heed folks like Edmund Burke.

I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It's like I could see the whole thing, one long chain of events that stretched all the way back to September 11th. I felt like I could see everything that happened, and everything that was going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me. And I realised that we're all part of it, and all trapped by it.
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post #138 of 149
9/28/09 at 2:36am
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Or the fact that September 11 was the day that he just happened to show up there.
It could be random, but the possibility of someone wanting to make some kind of weird, twisted statement on that day seems likely enough. If this is a political killing, it seems unlikely that the killer chose to act on that impulse simply because the guy showed up at his door. If it was that sudden, the drug angle is more probable. If it's political, I bet the killer knew the guy or knew of the guy and planned this out over a period of time.
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post #139 of 149
11/24/09 at 4:39pm
Kentucky police rule it a suicide.

I call bullshit. The mental acrobatics involved in saying that someone killed himself while bound and gagged and with a right-side up 'fed' scrawled onto his chest speak either to rampant stupidity or the desire to cover shit up.
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post #140 of 149
11/24/09 at 4:42pm
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Kentucky police rule it a suicide.

I call bullshit. The mental acrobatics involved in saying that someone killed himself while bound and gagged and with a right-side up 'fed' scrawled onto his chest speak either to rampant stupidity or the desire to cover shit up.
CSI Kentucky: Not destined for prime time
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post #141 of 149
11/24/09 at 5:12pm
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Kentucky police rule it a suicide.

I call bullshit. The mental acrobatics involved in saying that someone killed himself while bound and gagged and with a right-side up 'fed' scrawled onto his chest speak either to rampant stupidity or the desire to cover shit up.
And The Clinton's murdered Vince Foster....
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post #142 of 149
11/24/09 at 5:14pm
guys I think Bancroft Agee did it
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post #143 of 149
11/24/09 at 5:23pm
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guys i think bancroft agee did it
this post no longer exists. Nothing happened here and bancroft agee will be taking a long vacation which he may or may not return from.
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post #144 of 149
11/24/09 at 6:53pm
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FRANKFORT, Ky. — A Kentucky census worker found naked, bound with duct tape and hanging from a tree with "fed" scrawled on his chest killed himself but staged his death to make it look like a homicide, authorities said Tuesday.
"This has to be the most remarkable example of police intuition since the Reichstag fire." - Kevin Costner, JFK
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post #145 of 149
11/24/09 at 7:21pm
Oh, you're just pissed because you owe Glenn Beck an apology.
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post #146 of 149
11/25/09 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by Master Shake View Post
Kentucky police rule it a suicide.

I call bullshit. The mental acrobatics involved in saying that someone killed himself while bound and gagged and with a right-side up 'fed' scrawled onto his chest speak either to rampant stupidity or the desire to cover shit up.
Seconded. It will be a real crime and a tragedy if the investigation stops here.
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post #147 of 149
11/25/09 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by Master Shake View Post
I wonder if the police captain Lisa Rudzinski was able to keep a straight face when she made that announcement.
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post #148 of 149
11/25/09 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette View Post
"Now hold on you guys, maybe the people that hanged and scrawled FED on the chest of a government worker weren't politically motivated after all! It COULD just be a wacky conspiracy!"

Give me a fucking break.
What do you know ... not jumping to conclusions right off the bat actually pays off!
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post #149 of 149
11/25/09 at 3:29pm


"Wow, I'm gonna have to raise my game."
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