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post #1 of 85
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The "Change My Mind About_____" thread was sorta the inspiration for this (and Judas!). I've always loved Rush. They, along with Zeppelin, The Stones, and Hendrix, just to name a few, made me into the rock fan I am today. It's not like I had a cornucopia of sources as a middle-schooler to get me away from the clutches of '80s Rod Stewart (which my mom listened to constantly in the car when she took me to baseball practice).

I swear by their retrospective Chronicles (covers their material from 1974 - 1990). Anyone that is weary about dipping into the band's catalogue should give this a shot. The songs are all in chronological order, and there's no better compilation out there that'll spell out the band's evolution and awesome musicianship.

I've never had any qualms about Geddy Lee's voice. It wasn't until I started going on the internet that I realized a vocal group can't stand his vocals. Honestly, it was quite a surprise to me. "Chipmunk" seems to be a common adjective I read when describing Geddy's non-masculine approach. I can't imagine a Rush tune without Geddy's signature stamp. It just fits with the music. He's toned down the high-pitched portion of his range considerably since the late '80s, if that's some condolence for anyone.

Neil Peart...I don't know what else I can say about Mr. Peart other than he's probably my favorite drummer ever. His technique on the earlier material like 'Anthem', 'Bastille Day', and '2112' is unmatched and viscerally intoxicating. He's always been the core of Rush for me.

Alex Lifeson rarely gets mentioned when it comes to "greatest guitarists", but he deserves some mad props. I think he gets overlooked because his playing isn't as showy or solo-dependent as many of his peers, but it's all about keeping the tight rhythm going in tandem with Peart, and that in itself is a maddening gift.

When I saw the flick I LOVE YOU, MAN earlier this year, it brought back good memories of listening to Rush as a teenager. The last album of theirs that I really got into was Vapor Trails. In terms of modern-day Rush, you won't find a better album that defines the band's talents so boldly.
post #2 of 85
I have to admit that a recent viewing of I Love You, Man, as well as "Freaks and Geeks", has made me a bit Rush curious.
post #3 of 85
Like damn near all of my "top shelf" bands, I used to fucking LOATHE Rush.

Especially Geddy Lee. He sounded like an abrasive, horribly twisted version of Gwen Stefani to me.

Somewhere along the way though*, it all really grabbed me. I now love Rush.


*Actually, I can trace it to the moment I found out they were one of the main inspirations for one of my favorite guitarists/bands. That sort of thing will force you to re-evaluate music.
post #4 of 85
Rush has forever been tainted for me by a certain subset of their fans like the ones that I knew in highschool, all of whom were TREMENDOUS douchebags. Entitled, republican, jock, date-rapist motherfuckers, the lot of 'em.

It doesn't help that I came of age during the punk/new wave/grunge eras. Musicianship and chops don't impress or move me very much, and precision usually leaves me cold. It's all about the feel, for me.

Which is all sort of totally unfair to the band. I'm trying to be more open-minded about music lately (loving the album of the month threads). Where do I start if I want to give them a second chance?
post #5 of 85
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It doesn't help that I came of age during the punk/new wave/grunge eras.
You came of age in '77, '83, and '92?
post #6 of 85
Well, I mean I came of age musicially, and in stages. My dad worked in the record business. I was listening to everything he brought home from work.

And those years you listed just about correspond to major changes in my musical tastes. Ok, '77 is stretching it (I was 4), but punk was still gasping along into the early 80s. And I definitely remember discovering synth pop / new wave in the 80's, and moving on from that to underground/indie/grunge stuff in the early 90s.

My only point was that I never really had a prog phase.
post #7 of 85
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Musicianship and chops don't impress or move me very much, and precision usually leaves me cold. It's all about the feel, for me.
See, what I realized, and enabled me to love some (certainly not all) of the prog/technically proficient bands, is that all those things are far from mutually exclusive.

To me, Dream Theater* (not trying to start a pissing match here), is an example of prog that's all chops and no "feel."

Rush definitely has a "feel" to the music, it's not all just there for them to show off.



*Let me just re-iterate that yes, that is highly subjective.
post #8 of 85
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Rush has forever been tainted for me by a certain subset of their fans like the ones that I knew in highschool, all of whom were TREMENDOUS douchebags. Entitled, republican, jock, date-rapist motherfuckers, the lot of 'em....I'm trying to be more open-minded about music lately (loving the album of the month threads). Where do I start if I want to give them a second chance?
Exit...Stage Left.
post #9 of 85
Rush and Dream Theater are in a continual battle for my 'favorite band' title.

I'll agree with Ray: 'Chronicles' is a really good entry point for the band if you're just trying to see what they're all about. It shows the band's progression from a Led Zeppelin clone to a prog outfit to a stadium rock band to an 80s synth rock outfit. You should be able to pick your favorite time period and further explore the albums that come from it.

LOVE LOVE LOVE this band. They were my first concert experience (for 'Hold Your Fire') and I've seen them 5 times total. They're fantastic live.

Alex has never really gotten the acclaim that he deserves as a guitarist. His use of harmonics is really astounding.
post #10 of 85
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His use of harmonics is really astounding.
Oh yeah. He's so good at it (as well as integrating it, songwriting wise) that I often forget that's what he's doing.
post #11 of 85
I was just listening to Spirit of Radio - Greatest Hits 1974-1987 (and watching Freaks and Geeks, Mattioli*) earlier. I've only had it a few months, but I keep going back and loving it more. The best thing about I Love You, Man was how, through its use of "Tom Sawyer", it convinced me to finally give them a listen.

* If you do take a chance, you could do worse than picking up this best of collection. It's very accessible; that's really saying something coming from a fella so largely unfamiliar with prog rock.
post #12 of 85
One of my favorite things about Geddy Lee? His touring bass rig isn't that big or fancy, he uses smaller speakers that get mic'd through the main PA. He's said though, that he's always jealous of Alex's wall of amps behind him, so he started bringing props. One year, it was a washer and dryer, as well as a fully functioning and stocked rotating vending machine. Another year, it was a working chicken rotisserie, which the crew actually used to cook and eat delicious roast chicken.

I actually didn't know until doing a little research that Peart actually writes most of the lyrics, though he's taken a lot of flack for a bit of Ayn Rand worship (which he denies). The other thing I really love about Rush, unlike almost every other rock trio, when they tour, it's just the three of them onstage. There's no auxiliary guitarist or keyboardist (Geddy plays the keyboards and switches back and forth to bass), they have the balls to make the arrangements work without the extra personnel.
post #13 of 85
The really impressive thing is that Alex and Geddy, while playing their respective stringed instruments (and with Geddy switching back and forth between bass and keyboards) is that they're also playing synth-lines and triggering samples with their feet, and Peart is triggering samples with synth-pads placed strategically around his kit. They're like three people playing the instrumental equivalent of a sextet.
post #14 of 85
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Oh yeah. He's so good at it (as well as integrating it, songwriting wise) that I often forget that's what he's doing.
It probably doesn't help that in a 3 person band, the bassist and drummer are often regarded as being at the very top of the heap on their respective instruments.


"Peart is one of the all-time great drummers, hands down! And Geddy, man - those bass lines, he really fills up the space and is just fantastic!....


....Oh yeah, and the guitarist is also very good."
post #15 of 85
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Originally Posted by Ray Abed View Post
I've never had any qualms about Geddy Lee's voice. It wasn't until I started going on the internet that I realized a vocal group can't stand his vocals. Honestly, it was quite a surprise to me. "Chipmunk" seems to be a common adjective I read when describing Geddy's non-masculine approach. I can't imagine a Rush tune without Geddy's signature stamp. It just fits with the music.
If you've ever heard a cover of a Rush song, you realize this pretty quick.
post #16 of 85
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
Alex has never really gotten the acclaim that he deserves as a guitarist. His use of harmonics is really astounding.
Yes. This can't be stated enough, especially on their '80s material when they honed their songcraft to melody-driven, rhythmically-concise pop-rock. I sometimes think the Rush people hear in 'Tom Sawyer' isn't doing the band enough justice. Their songwriting evolved into something more vibrant and instinctive post-'81. There's probably no other band that used synthesizers in a better way than Rush. 'Subdivisions' is a prime example of this. Geddy Lee's synth parts on that tune are pure heaven.
post #17 of 85
And yeah, the fact that it's only THREE FUCKING PEOPLE live is pretty amazing, given the fact that little to no sounds get the short end.

Them and Tool* have been the two most impressive live acts where you say, "three people!? All that noise from three people?!"


*Granted, Tool has 4 members, but one is only a vocalist. And, I'm not talking about the vocals in regards to Rush either. From a strictly musical standpoint, it's amazing that those sounds come from just three guys.
post #18 of 85
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
It probably doesn't help that in a 3 person band, the bassist and drummer are often regarded as being at the very top of the heap on their respective instruments.


"Peart is one of the all-time great drummers, hands down! And Geddy, man - those bass lines, he really fills up the space and is just fantastic!....


....Oh yeah, and the guitarist is also very good."
This kind of came up in a conversation my wife and I were having a week or so ago on a road trip. I really haven't had much chance to give it more thought to see how accurate it is, but we both kind of observed that the really great, legendary rock bands seem to be ones that have multiple genius-type (I use that term loosely, but I think you get what I mean) level musicians. It's not just Person X and a bunch of dudes, it's Person X, Y, and Z.

The Beatles had McCartney, Harrison, and Lennon. Zeppelin had four guys considered pretty brilliant, all three members of Rush, the Who, Queen was more than just Mercury, Pink Floyd, etc Even in the modern era bands like Pearl Jam and Radiohead are more than just one strong musician. I know Dave Grohl doesn't necessarily get a lot of love, but I think it's reasonable to say even Nirvana wasn't entirely a one-talent act even if he didn't contribute all that much.

Just quickly thinking off the top of my head the only really legendary-level bands I can really think of that seemed to be one guy are the Beach Boys. I'm sure there are more, but I can think of great bands with multiple brilliant musicians a lot easier than I can great ones that were a one-man show.
post #19 of 85
After going in and out of my prog phase, I'm a bit older now, and I still love them.

The albums that really speak to me are:

A Farewell To Kings
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Signals
Grace Under Pressure

2112 and all the rest of the 80s stuff up through and including Presto are great also, but they require a certain amount of forgiveness. The above mentioned albums are completely untouchable though.

Now I kinda feel like a douche for not seeing them any of the 3 times they've been through Mass. since I became a fan. I have most of their DVDs too, what's wrong with me...
post #20 of 85
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And yeah, the fact that it's only THREE FUCKING PEOPLE live is pretty amazing, given the fact that little to no sounds get the short end.

Them and Tool* have been the two most impressive live acts where you say, "three people!? All that noise from three people?!"


*Granted, Tool has 4 members, but one is only a vocalist. And, I'm not talking about the vocals in regards to Rush either. From a strictly musical standpoint, it's amazing that those sounds come from just three guys.
Great concert memory - went and saw Tool with Tomahawk opening.

John Fucking Stanier (hey, I LOVED Helmet) comes out late in the show and he and Danny Carey proceed to go fucking ape on "Triad."
post #21 of 85
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This kind of came up in a conversation my wife and I were having a week or so ago on a road trip. I really haven't had much chance to give it more thought to see how accurate it is, but we both kind of observed that the really great, legendary rock bands seem to be ones that have multiple genius-type (I use that term loosely, but I think you get what I mean) level musicians. It's not just Person X and a bunch of dudes, it's Person X, Y, and Z.

The Beatles had McCartney, Harrison, and Lennon. Zeppelin had four guys considered pretty brilliant, all three members of Rush, the Who, Queen was more than just Mercury, Pink Floyd, etc Even in the modern era bands like Pearl Jam and Radiohead are more than just one strong musician. I know Dave Grohl doesn't necessarily get a lot of love, but I think it's reasonable to say even Nirvana wasn't entirely a one-talent act even if he didn't contribute all that much.

Just quickly thinking off the top of my head the only really legendary-level bands I can really think of that seemed to be one guy are the Beach Boys. I'm sure there are more, but I can think of great bands with multiple brilliant musicians a lot easier than I can great ones that were a one-man show.
The Ramones?
post #22 of 85
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The Ramones?
Hah!

I was gonna say The White Stripes.
post #23 of 85
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Hah!

I was gonna say The White Stripes.
Um, YEAH. That was my first thought too, Ray. Maybe the best thing Jack White could do musically is go ahead and clone himself.

Back on topic (almost). My love for classic rock started to take off by about 11th grade (late '80s), but three groups I remember hating in high school were: Rush*, The Who, and Steely Dan. A friend of mine has been gradually working to turn me on to all three of these over the past couple of years. I can listen to some of each now, but don't have a fully developed feeling or opinion about them or their respective albums yet.

*Strangely, it didn't take me long to embrace another legendary proggish band with odd vocals, Yes, once I picked up Fragile and Close to the Edge a few years back. Now there's a group I can love for a few months, but then need to take a break from for a while. Anyway, I'm pretty sure what's taking me longer to get into Rush is that I'm still trying to warm up to Geddy Lee's voice. This stuff can take time, though. Up until a few years ago, I NEVER would've thought I'd come to enjoy listening to Neil Young or Bob Dylan so much, but I certainly do now.

Good lord, I sure as hell took that footnote all over the place.
post #24 of 85
I have a theory on Rush. I think that the people that like them are either musicians themselves, or got stoned specifically in the late '70s/early '80s. I'm a musician. So far my theory has been correct about 98% of the time.
post #25 of 85
- I'm not a musician, but a wannabe.
- I got stoned in the '90s.
- I'm currently trying to warm up to Rush, but unsure how I feel about them.

Don't know if I fall into the 2% exception to your rule or not yet, Gabe. Will probably know sometime in the next couple of months, though.
post #26 of 85
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I have a theory on Rush. I think that the people that like them are either musicians themselves, or got stoned specifically in the late '70s/early '80s. I'm a musician. So far my theory has been correct about 98% of the time.
I'd say that's a fairly accurate theory.



And Chavez: me = jealous. I'll NEVER be able to stop kicking myself for missing the Lateralus tours (for various, horrible reasons).

Have you seen Battles? Stainer is their drummer, and they're incredible live.
post #27 of 85
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I have a theory on Rush. I think that the people that like them are either musicians themselves, play/played alot of Dungeons and Dragons, or got stoned specifically in the late '70s/early '80s.
Slightly fixed.

For me, my favorite Rush albums are:

'Hemispheres'
'Permanent Waves'
'Moving Pictures'
'Signals'
'Hold Your Fire' (sentimental reasons, really)
'Roll the Bones'
post #28 of 85
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I have a theory on Rush. I think that the people that like them are either musicians themselves, or got stoned specifically in the late '70s/early '80s. I'm a musician. So far my theory has been correct about 98% of the time.
I like this theory. Of course both qualifiers could be applied to me.

I've said this elsewhere, but Rush just about makes up for the likes of Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Nickelback (i.e. bad Canadian acts imported into the US).

Damn, even Judas' qualifier could be applied to me too.

That episode of Futurama where Fry has to save the Earth from the Nintendians with a bottle of Shasta and mix tape of Rush? So me.
post #29 of 85
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I'm not a musician nor have I ever got stoned or played D&D, but when it comes to listening to music, I'm always analyzing from a producer's perspective (one of my "dream jobs" is to be a producer, in fact). I REALLY appreciate songs that are built on very tight craftsmanship/musicianship. So even when a tune falls short in some other department, I might still be drooling over its arrangement or the way a synth/keyboard is used in the backdrop or the use of double-tracking that gives it punch, etc.

I think that's why I'm a sucker for a great pop tune. Even if the lyrics are substandard or just plain awful (which they usually are in your typical Top 40 pap), you can't deny that the sleek and shiny sound is something to behold and shouldn't be taken for granted. Eh, no way am I comparing Rush to Top 40...just the way I tend to hear things as a listener.
post #30 of 85
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Rush has forever been tainted for me by a certain subset of their fans like the ones that I knew in highschool, all of whom were TREMENDOUS douchebags.
I had a similar experience -- all the assholes would go nuts for "Tom Sawyer", so it kept me from even trying to get into the band.

Then I heard "Subdivisions" for the first time and that got my foot in the door.
post #31 of 85
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The really impressive thing is that Alex and Geddy, while playing their respective stringed instruments (and with Geddy switching back and forth between bass and keyboards) is that they're also playing synth-lines and triggering samples with their feet, and Peart is triggering samples with synth-pads placed strategically around his kit. They're like three people playing the instrumental equivalent of a sextet.
Geddy is also responsible for the light show. He controls that with his foot pedals as well.
post #32 of 85
Didn't get into Rush until college, when a friend who basically wanted to be Geddy Lee got me into them. He played bass and keyboards as well. Remember those commercials on Spike TV with the Swayze action figures? My friend was a part of those, and is even in one of them--for the Point Break Swayze, he's the guy on the right giving the thumbs up.

Chronicles was the first music I put on my iPod Touch when I bought it a few months ago. I also remember sitting in a restaurant having lunch with my mom way back in high school, and I said something about wanting to go see Rush. My mom said, "Is that the awful band that spits on people?" I said, "No, mom. These guys are pretty much the opposite of that."
post #33 of 85
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Geddy is also responsible for the light show. He controls that with his foot pedals as well.
Whether that's true or not, reading about it made me laugh. I might've even LMAO-ed if I wasn't at work. Well, LMAO-ing might be a bit much. But still. Anyway, ttyl!
post #34 of 85
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Have you seen Battles? Stainer is their drummer, and they're incredible live.
This. If Battles ever comes to your town and you miss them, kick yourself hard. In the FACE.
post #35 of 85
I picked up The Spirit of Radio earlier this year, and while some of their stuff isn't to my taste, I love Tom Sawyer (who doesn't?), Closer to the Heart, Time Stand Still, Freewill and Working Man. What should I be checking out outside of this collection?
post #36 of 85
Ben: pick up 'Permanent Waves' and 'Moving Pictures'. Some of those songs that you mentioned are on those albums, and the others are songs that COULD have been, stylistically, on those albums.

Out of curiosity, which songs DIDN'T you like?
post #37 of 85
You might start with the albums the songs you like come from. That'd be Moving Pictures, A Farewell To Kings, Hold Your Fire, Permanent Waves, and Rush. I'd also recommend the album Signals, as the song Subdivisions is a personal favorite.
post #38 of 85
Judas: I like your addition.
Ray Abed: I 100% consider good producers musicians in their own right.
post #39 of 85
Judas, I wasn't a big fan of Distant Early Warning or 2112 Overture, though I imagine that coud be a favourite for the harcore? To be fair though, the music's always pretty good. I just find some of the lyrics distracting.
post #40 of 85
I KNEW that 'Distant Early Warning' would be one of them. That's from the 'Grace Under Pressure' album which, while good, is kinda where the band really started to lose its way with keyboards for a decade. The sound on that whole album is very harsh, in my opinion. The songs on it come off MUCH better live.
post #41 of 85
If you're looking at actually buying some Rush albums (not just compilations), I'd suggest the following:

First batch: Best of the best
'Moving Pictures'
'Permanent Waves'
'Signals'

Second batch: Best of the PROG years
'A Farewell to Kings'
'Hemispheres'
'2112'

Third batch: Finding their way again
'Roll the Bones'
'Vapor Trails'
'Snakes and Arrows'

Fourth batch: The beginning
'Rush'
'Fly by Night'

Fifth batch: The 80s
'Grace Under Pressure'
'Power Windows'
'Hold Your Fire'

Sixth batch: The stumbles
'Caress of Steel'
'Presto'
'Counterparts'
'Test for Echo'
post #42 of 85
You'd seriously put Counterparts as a stumble?
post #43 of 85
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Originally Posted by DarthLowbudget@ View Post
You'd seriously put Counterparts as a stumble?
For me, it's their darkest and coldest album of their entire career. It has its fans, but I could never really get into it. In truth, t's probably the best of those 'stumbles', though...it's definitely not as bad as 'Test for Echo'.

How do you feel about the rest of my list of suggestions?
post #44 of 85
The list is solid, and pretty much mirrors the order in which I got into and purchased Rush albums, although I think picked up 2112 a little earlier.

Test for Echo is definitely one of the weakest, although it is interesting to listen to for Peart's playing, especially considering it was recorded just after he studied with Freddie Gruber and represents a definite stylistic shift in his playing.
post #45 of 85
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I have a soft spot for Counterparts. Haven't listened to it in awhile, though. When I first heard 'Stick It Out' playing on the radio stuck in between Nirvana's 'Heart-Shaped Box' and Pearl Jam's 'Go', I was eager to buy the album right away. The song 'Nobody's Hero' is one of their best, and the lyrics are some of Peart's most heartfelt.

It is indeed a dark, cold album like Judas said, but stylistically, it fit in well with the zeitgeist of the rock world in 1993.
post #46 of 85
(fist bump to Judas) My all-time, could listen to 'em forever, accept no substitutes, favorite band!

Got into them back in '84 with Grace Under Pressure, first saw them during the Power Windows tour (still have the tour t-shirt!), and have been with 'em ever since. Seen 'em every tour since '85 at least once, too - the coolest thing seeing them live is they ALWAYS look like they're having fun onstage, and the crowd immediately joins them in the hijinks.

I will say that Rush is one of those "love 'em or hate 'em" bands; very few middle-ground or "they're OK" comments from the average listener.

Geddy's bass playing gets better and better, but his singing, though strong as always, has definitely leveled off in the past few years (dude's in his mid 50's so singing falsetto like he did back when he was 21 isn't going to come as easy).

Neil's drumming is... well... folks, it's Neil FUCKING Peart, arguably the best drummer around period.

Alex Lifeson deserves a lot more praise than he gets. I do suggest everyone give his Victor side project a spin or two - some real nice guitar work on that album.

That being said, yeah, Test for Echo is my vote for weakest album - while the tour was great, something seemed... off about that record. Dog Years is a particular clinker of a song that I'm amazed got past the demo stage. Counterparts, however dark and moody it was, has always been a favorite, and that album did turn a few of my friends on to them around the time of release.

As for least favorite song? I'd say Tom Sawyer only because that song has been played to death and beyond on radio (I DO love the song, but Rush has written others, DJs! Might want to change up the playlist every so often!). Favorite songs are much harder - Subdivisions for many personal reasons, Afterimage, Red Barchetta, Half the World, Entre Nous (played at my wedding reception when my wife and I were introduced as the new Mr. & Mrs. Carr), New World Man, 2112, Animate, etc.

Plus, their music is my fuel when I hit the gym! Gettin' my groove on with some Far Cry blasting gets the adrenaline pumpin' let me tells ya.
post #47 of 85
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Have you seen Battles? Stainer is their drummer, and they're incredible live.
Was interested in going, but ended up not doing so. I called DaveB and he backed out and I didn't want to be "weird lonely middle-aged guy" at the club.
post #48 of 85
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Was interested in going, but ended up not doing so. I called DaveB and he backed out and I didn't want to be "weird lonely middle-aged guy" at the club.
I saw Battles in a small club in Atlanta right after Mirrored came out and those guys blew me away. Completely. So glad I went and will be kicking myself if they come back and I don't make it.

*Edit: I'm wearing the t-shirt I got at that show right now and didn't even realize it. Isn't that exciting? Ok then...
post #49 of 85
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I picked up The Spirit of Radio earlier this year, and while some of their stuff isn't to my taste, I love Tom Sawyer (who doesn't?), Closer to the Heart, Time Stand Still, Freewill and Working Man. What should I be checking out outside of this collection?

The following songs:

-The Analog Kid
-Natural Science
-The Main Monkey Business
-Working Them Angels
-Witch Hunt
-Lakeside Park
-Driven
-The Enemy Within
-Marathon
-Vital Signs
-Available Light
-Resist
-Turn The Page
-Xanadu
-Hemispheres
-Entre Nous
post #50 of 85
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