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post #1 of 327
9/24/09 at 9:19pm
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Okay you bastards, you hooked me. Keep it up for the next 45 minutes.
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post #2 of 327
9/24/09 at 10:01pm
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And they did.
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post #3 of 327
9/24/09 at 10:04pm
Couldn't really pay much attention. Thank god for the DVR.
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post #4 of 327
9/24/09 at 10:07pm
The Lost parallels were killing me...especially when they got to the kangaroo. But I'm as interested in predetermination as the next guy, so I'll watch.
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post #5 of 327
9/24/09 at 10:17pm
The next guy can't even spell predetermination, so you're way ahead of the game sir.
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post #6 of 327
9/24/09 at 10:38pm
Meh.

Ill still give it a shot.
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post #7 of 327
9/24/09 at 10:50pm
I really hated the cheeseball, on-the-nose dialogue, but the cast and premise make me want to give it another go.
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post #8 of 327
9/24/09 at 11:10pm
Well now I'm got to watch to have one of the biggest TV mystery revealed.

I'm not talking about what caused people to black out and fast forward.

I'm not about about who was involved and why.

I mean who decided the guy who does family guy should be hired for a dramatic role. That going to keep me in suspense for months.

Edit to add: His flash forward will probably be "I was remembering the time I meet famous person x"
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post #9 of 327
9/25/09 at 1:00am
i hope this is popular enough for South Park to do an episode on it. that scene with all the people in the meeting figuring out their visions took place at the same time had to be one of the worst exposition scenes I have ever seen.

it's such a nifty premise though, but how long do you drag this out?
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post #10 of 327
9/25/09 at 1:05am
It's a pretty interesting premise and I'll keep up with it for now. Unless Brannon Braga does his usual bag o tricks.
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post #11 of 327
9/25/09 at 1:06am
It interested me enough to get me to watch the next ep. That exposition scene was poor though. Why was everyone there looking at a calendar at the exact same time six months into the future?

When Fiennes' daughter gave him the friendship bracelet, I expected a "Nooooooooo" on the level of Logan in Origins. I'm still not sure if I'm disappointed or not that we didn't get it.
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post #12 of 327
9/25/09 at 1:22am
It wasn't everyone though. Wasn't it only like three of them? And it was a calendar, a newspaper, and something else right?

I generally liked the show, and it beats what it comes on against, so I think I'll stick with it a while.
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post #13 of 327
9/25/09 at 1:56am
No, you're right, they weren't all looking at a calendar, but I thought it a little too convenient for so many of them (seemed like 4-5) to have noticed the date in that 137 seconds. I wish they had been forced to piece together the exact date through reason and deduction rather than a handful of people just verifying that they happened to be looking at the date at that exact moment (I fear that information will be gathered in too convenient a manner such as this rather than them having to really earn it).

The first 10-15 minutes really drew me in, and I was pleasantly surprised that it maintained my interest throughout. I thought they might have some difficulty balancing exposition, revelation, and building the mystery but I felt the balance between character and plot was well done. Hopefully they don't blow their wad by the end of the first season like Heroes did. And it seems they're setting up some interesting plotlines regarding the philosophical, religious, legal, and moral aspects of how they deal with the flash.
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post #14 of 327
9/25/09 at 2:03am
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No, you're right, they weren't all looking at a calendar, but I thought it a little too convenient for so many of them (seemed like 4-5) to have noticed the date in that 137 seconds. I wish they had been forced to piece together the exact date through reason and deduction rather than a handful of people just verifying that they happened to be looking at the date at that exact moment (I fear that information will be gathered in too convenient a manner such as this rather than them having to really earn it).
True, but it's the nature of the beast. They already have "The Wall" which I'm sure they'll mine to connect everything together. It's a fine line between being contrived and not, and I have my doubts that they can walk it well.

I did like that the guy from Law and Order was on the can in his flash forward.
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post #15 of 327
9/25/09 at 2:15am
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True, but it's the nature of the beast. They already have "The Wall" which I'm sure they'll mine to connect everything together. It's a fine line between being contrived and not, and I have my doubts that they can walk it well.
I wonder when the (television) FBI are gonna get on the bandwagon and get one of those "magic walls" that CNN and other cable news channels use. This Polaroid and string BS is so Heroes 2007(?). I like the idea that every person, no matter how insignificant they may seem at the moment, is potentially holding a vital piece of information in their head. The starting a website idea was interesting; Surprisingly, I could see that working in real life. That's probably the most interesting thing to me at the moment, what kind of systems they'll use to piece together the flashes and how they'll make sense of the snippets.

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I did like that the guy from Law and Order was on the can in his flash forward.
You mean, "In his office..."
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post #16 of 327
9/25/09 at 2:15am
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I did like that the guy from Law and Order was on the can in his flash forward.
It's also a way of making sure that they sort of parody that premise before a show like South Park jumped on it. I wonder if this show will feature a dog's flash forward in case LOST never has a Vincent-centric episode.
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post #17 of 327
9/25/09 at 2:18am
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I like the idea that every person, no matter how insignificant they may seem at the moment, is potentially holding a vital piece of information in their head.
In three weeks, we will find out what this guy's flash forward has to do with everything.

Flash to a man jacking off to lesbian porn.

They got sweeps week sewn up right there. You got that one for free ABC.
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post #18 of 327
9/25/09 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
In three weeks, we will find out what Kanye's flash forward has to do with everything.

Flash to West ranting..."Yo Flash Forward, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma letchu finish, but LOST HAD ONE OF THE MOST CONVOLUTED SCI-FI PLOTS OF ALL TIME!"

They got sweeps week sewn up right there. You got that one for free ABC.
Fixed. But I didn't enjoy doing so. Not one bit.
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post #19 of 327
9/25/09 at 8:47am
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Everyone on the planet had the same vision. It's not like the date was going to be some big secret to unlock.
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post #20 of 327
9/25/09 at 9:11am
Not bad. They changed the Flashforward from 20 years in the future to six months. I really hope the cause and the ending aren't as boring as the book.
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post #21 of 327
9/25/09 at 9:20am
I'm intrigued. I need to watch this again in HD, as I watched it in my bedroom on my crappy tv while my HD tv was overtaken by my flu-sick 3-year-old.

Crappy TV was not showing widescreen so I know I missed a lot of stuff.
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post #22 of 327
9/25/09 at 9:28am
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Not bad. They changed the Flashforward from 20 years in the future to six months. I really hope the cause and the ending aren't as boring as the book.
Six months gives it a little more immediacy, but it does seem to limit the longevity of the show.

Haven't read the book, although I have read and enjoyed other books by Sawyer.
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post #23 of 327
9/25/09 at 9:34am
six months doesn't really mean anything as the previews show the probability of more flash-forwards. Which means a further time-line is possible.

So I'm almost positive if this show stays on the air that by the time sweeps hits next year, they will flash forward again to show the next set of events they can set up for season 2.
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post #24 of 327
9/25/09 at 3:20pm
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Everyone on the planet had the same vision. It's not like the date was going to be some big secret to unlock.
No, but having so many people in just that one meeting in the FBI office having seen the date in that two minutes seemed just too convenient to me (and sets a precedent for difficult problems being worked out with simple, convenient coincidences). I know they needed to do this in order to illustrate to the audience that they all flashed to the same time on the same date, but they could have worked a little harder for it...maybe a whole episode.

And I'm pretty sure now that Fiennes should have yelled "NOOOOO!!!" upon receiving the bracelet. Daughter's friendship bracelet as harbinger of wife's impending fucking of another man...deserving of a scream I think.
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post #25 of 327
9/25/09 at 3:30pm
To be fair to the show, the people mentioned that it just wasn't a vision of 6 months ahead, but that they were actually there. This was referenced when the main character said he was back to drinking... it wasn't just him seeing himself drinking, it was him KNOWING and feeling he was back to drinking. Having the date wouldn't be much of a stretch since any 2:37 of any day I usually know the date I'm experiencing.

I liked what I saw, and I agree that the boardroom piece together could have worked better.

Any bets on who's the person at Comerica Park? Methinks Charlie... my wife guessed the dude who's gonna bang Penelope.

Desmond's gonna be so pissed.

Loved the Oceanic Airlines Billboard. Makes me wish that this crossed over with LOST somehow.
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post #26 of 327
9/25/09 at 3:34pm
Definitely a clunky, expository beginning, but like someone said because of the cast and premise I'll give this one a shot for a while. See if it does any better than previous continuity-laden LOST fill-ins (DAY BREAK, excellent, canceled early, THE NINE, not canceled early enough). I like that it's based on a book and therefore should have a built-in end game. I don't like that apparently the book's end game is disappointing? That's a rhetorical question! Please, folks who've read it, you've been great so far but careful with anything more specific than that. This is definitely a show that could be ruined early by spoilers.
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post #27 of 327
9/25/09 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Six months gives it a little more immediacy, but it does seem to limit the longevity of the show.
One of the creators did an interview and said they'd do new sets of flash forwards in future seasons, if they happen.

I really liked the premiere but I thought it was funny how a lot of the early interviews said "we're not LOST" and the first 10 minutes were basically LOST. There was even an Oceanic Air billboard! Like dajuice, I'm more interested in seeing how the Feebs put the case together rather than learning about all the different flashforwards.

A bigger headscratcher than casting MacFarlane- why hire Sonya Walger and make her use an American accent?
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post #28 of 327
9/26/09 at 1:30am
Okay start. Agreed that I don't want even hear crackpot speculations on what caused the blackout as the premise is all it's got going for it so far. There are no immediate compelling characters yet like Locke or Sawyer.

For every new male character intro henceforth, I'm going to be waiting for that inevitable dun dun DUN revelation of the three-starred tattoo on their arm.
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post #29 of 327
9/26/09 at 10:38am
this cast is nuts. and seeing seth mcfarlane kind of took me out of it. Kept waiting to hear Peter Griffin.

It was o.k. I'll watch a few more episodes at least. I do like that they recognize the global implications of humainty being brought "together" by the experience. "So, what did you see?"

And the Detroit security cam footage was effectively eerie.
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post #30 of 327
9/26/09 at 10:55pm
I thought it was a good pilot ep. I'll definitely be tuning in each week.

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It's also a way of making sure that they sort of parody that premise before a show like South Park jumped on it. I wonder if this show will feature a dog's flash forward in case LOST never has a Vincent-centric episode.
Ahem.

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Originally Posted by dajuice7 View Post
No, but having so many people in just that one meeting in the FBI office having seen the date in that two minutes seemed just too convenient to me (and sets a precedent for difficult problems being worked out with simple, convenient coincidences). I know they needed to do this in order to illustrate to the audience that they all flashed to the same time on the same date, but they could have worked a little harder for it...maybe a whole episode.
It didn't bother me. FBI agents are trained to pay attention to details the average person wouldn't. The date and time don't seem like unreasonable things for them to pay attention to.
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post #31 of 327
9/27/09 at 9:01am
Surprised no one has mentioned the Oceanic billboard in the background of an early scene.
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post #32 of 327
9/27/09 at 9:06am
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I really liked the premiere but I thought it was funny how a lot of the early interviews said "we're not LOST" and the first 10 minutes were basically LOST. There was even an Oceanic Air billboard! Like dajuice, I'm more interested in seeing how the Feebs put the case together rather than learning about all the different flashforwards.

A bigger headscratcher than casting MacFarlane- why hire Sonya Walger and make her use an American accent?
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Surprised no one has mentioned the Oceanic billboard in the background of an early scene.
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post #33 of 327
9/27/09 at 9:38am
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I did notice that there was a Red Panda sign on the bulletin board in Fiennes' flash forward and a Red Panda sign on the side of a bus while he was running around on the freeway in the aftermath.
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post #34 of 327
9/27/09 at 10:01am
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Ehh, it's Sunday morning. Who can be expected to actually read thread posts before posting?
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post #35 of 327
9/27/09 at 1:49pm
I thought it was okay... Cho's character was the only half-way engaging one, and it won't be worth a damn unless it addresses this. Found myself pretty much flat-out disliking Fiennes... looks like a shit-eater...
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post #36 of 327
9/27/09 at 3:14pm
How long before we get a Driveshaft reference?
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post #37 of 327
9/27/09 at 4:20pm
What was the reason for most of the worlds buildings being on fire after the flash? Its hard to believe they were all hit by a perfectly uniform blanket of airplanes or something.
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post #38 of 327
9/27/09 at 8:13pm
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What was the reason for most of the worlds buildings being on fire after the flash? Its hard to believe they were all hit by a perfectly uniform blanket of airplanes or something.
I don't know, but I imagine that there would have been shit loads of planes and helicopters (the NATCA says every day there are some 87,000 flights in the US alone, with 5000 in the air at any one time), probably centered around busy urban areas. Throw in some cranes being operated near buildings. Interior explosions from equipment being allowed to run without supervision, etc. I can see some mass destruction.
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post #39 of 327
9/27/09 at 8:42pm
Doesn't NYC flood in 24 hrs without supervision? Or was it 48? I don't know.

Just suspend your disbelief.
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post #40 of 327
9/27/09 at 8:45pm
Totally. Restaurant chefs leaving flames unattended, welders with flaming torches, etc. In major urban cities, there are a number of things going on at any given time that could contribute to buildings being in flames.
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post #41 of 327
9/29/09 at 1:38pm
In 2 minutes? The destruction was a little over the top. Specially the scene with the Kangaroo, where Fiennes gets passed by a Cab with a corpse on top of it. It was like 10 minutes after the incident, and that body was still on top of that car?

It was a bit of a mess, and the exposition was TERRIBLE. But the premise is interesting and the cast is decent. I will give it a shot.
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post #42 of 327
9/29/09 at 1:46pm
Not bad so far. Already is better than the book, and I think the cause of the Flashforward will:

A- Different than the book, and thus:
B- Better than the book

And so far, beside the world-wide destruction and the creation of the Mosaic website, there's next to nothing similar about to the series and the novel. The only obvious is the determism vs fate theme, and it's gonna be the same here.

Obvious nod to the said book by having the father of the injured boy named after the main protagonist, Lloyd Simcoe.
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post #43 of 327
9/29/09 at 7:18pm
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Not bad so far. Already is better than the book, and I think the cause of the Flashforward will:

A- Different than the book, and thus:
B- Better than the book

And so far, beside the world-wide destruction and the creation of the Mosaic website, there's next to nothing similar about to the series and the novel. The only obvious is the determism vs fate theme, and it's gonna be the same here.

Obvious nod to the said book by having the father of the injured boy named after the main protagonist, Lloyd Simcoe.
And Lloyd Simcoe appeared at the end and is soon to be banging Penny, he's played by Jack Davenport, but yeah totally different from the book so far.

I'm guessing because Simcoe is in America, the cause of the flashforward will be different from the book?
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post #44 of 327
9/29/09 at 7:52pm
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And Lloyd Simcoe appeared at the end and is soon to be banging Penny, he's played by Jack Davenport, but yeah totally different from the book so far.

I'm guessing because Simcoe is in America, the cause of the flashforward will be different from the book?
It's pretty clear, but let's not spoil it, in case that explanation happens. It would be retarded at this point, and it's not terribly and visually engaging. but who knows.
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post #45 of 327
9/29/09 at 9:19pm
Yeah, I'm sure the preview for next week showed Simcoe in a Darkman style lab, might have something to do with it. The book's explanation was just boring anyway.

I think John Cho will have Theo's storyline from the book. They should definitely change that and it's clunkingly shite resolution.
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post #46 of 327
9/30/09 at 10:02pm
Joseph Fiennes' American accent is atrocious. The rest of the show's pretty good.
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post #47 of 327
10/1/09 at 9:48pm
This show is utter shit. But if you guys like the premise, read the book. It's far more interesting.
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post #48 of 327
10/1/09 at 10:07pm
The pilot was ok, but really suffered from cramming two hours of story into one. It felt more like FAST Forward. Suicidal guy went through an entire character arc in FIVE minutes of screen time!

And one way this show is nothing like LOST: these characters are positively chatty. Hardly anything about their visions was kept private. My main concern with the show right now is that they've shown and told us and the other characters so much already that there won't be much left to reveal.

But I'm interested just the same, and the rest of the new shows look like utter crap, so it'll be easy to find room for this one...
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post #49 of 327
10/1/09 at 10:15pm
It's interesting, but it's not great.
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post #50 of 327
10/1/09 at 10:16pm
Ok, guys this is reminding me more and more of The Nine.

Secrets could be revealed if people would just ask obvious questions.

In paticular, there is no reason why the haven't asked the girl about her visions.

Oh and did the phone call at the end seem a little weird, someone been waiting for a discription of "I didn't remember anything" at the mosaic web site?

Oh, and I know they did this to highen the mystery, but what is the point of camera at a stadium where you can't tell what anyone is doing. We see that shadowing figure walking around, but the camera can't see anything, what is the point of such a design at a ballpark. "We need to put a camera here so that in case something weird happens like the whole world falls unconcious but one guy is walking around we will be able to see it. Don't put any camera near any other parts of the ballpark, we want to be certain to not identify the person involved"
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