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post #51 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:29pm
Unsurprisingly, several movies scratched off my list. I've never started on Day 2 in a draft. This is nerve wracking!
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post #52 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:30pm
Ratty you fucking fuck.
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post #53 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:31pm
I'd argue that On The Town -- the first actual streets-of-New-York musical -- has much more vibrancy an verve and is a better Bernstein fix than the rather overbaked West Side Story.

I mean, it's essentially a heavy, heavy operetta with some terrific ballet sequences thrown in to break up the teen melodrama. It's hokey as fuck in places which brings down all the more affecting stuff, which is Bernstein's music, mainly. It's a fim of great moments -- song, dance and direction -- but I can safely say it's one of the last musicals I'd reach for to have a blast of escapist euphoria. And that includes Dancer In The Dark.
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post #54 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:32pm
Ratty you suck! I knew it would never make it to Day 2, but I'd hoped.
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post #55 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:33pm
While some shrivel to bone
Like comatose walkin around
Please dont confuse this with the sound
Im talking about...bass
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post #56 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:33pm
Fuck you Ratty. Fuck you, Molti. Fuck, fuck, fuck...fuckfuck.

Also, FUCK.
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post #57 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
Ratty you fucking fuck.
Miss out on not only the defining horror movie of the decade? I think not!
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post #58 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:33pm
That's something that seems to be a recurring problem with the piece, though, Bob -- the actors in the recent revival were 31 and 22 for Tony and Maria, respectively, and Anita was a 33 year old. It also doesn't help that there's a very limited bench for male roles on Broadway those days. I guess you could argue that the whole thing's supposed to be a fantasy/fairy tale/allegory, but it doesn't ever really click unless you're listening to it without seeing the play. Which is why you could argue it works best as an opera.
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post #59 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:34pm
Ooo, I wanted the Bunch.
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post #60 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:34pm
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Any sense of realness conveyed by the locations is seriously undercut by casting 40 year old gay men in clean and pressed clothes as teenage street thugs.
Well, you could say that about almost any studio film made around that time.
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post #61 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:35pm
Wild Bunch and Lawrence, gone.

The list shortens by two. Ace picks, had to go Round One and both were contenders for my first pick.
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post #62 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:36pm
I stole the best film of the decade.
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post #63 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Well, you could say that about almost any studio film made around that time.
Right. Which is why the crappy studio system was overthrown by the counterculture.
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post #64 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:36pm
Nice one, Bob.

I would have thought Apartment would have gone first slot for sure.
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post #65 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:36pm
I'm amazed Dr Strangelove didn't go in the first three picks. It was my backup if Dead didn't pan out.
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post #66 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:36pm
Justin Clark beat me by that much.
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post #67 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
That's something that seems to be a recurring problem with the piece, though, Bob -- the actors in the recent revival were 31 and 22 for Tony and Maria, respectively, and Anita was a 33 year old. It also doesn't help that there's a very limited bench for male roles on Broadway those days. I guess you could argue that the whole thing's supposed to be a fantasy/fairy tale/allegory, but it doesn't ever really click unless you're listening to it without seeing the play. Which is why you could argue it works best as an opera.
It works best as a safe, toothless musical for old ladies.
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post #68 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:37pm
Which isn't to say The Apartment isn't pure greatness, which it is. But for me, Dr. Strangelove is one of those rare perfect movies.
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post #69 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:37pm
Wow, that last little run there hurt a bunch. But honestly, was Lawrence, The Apartment and Kubrick's Big Two really gonna last until Day 2?
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post #70 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:37pm
Wow, already to the last group of the day. That was fast.
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post #71 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:38pm
Can we start Day 2 as soon as Day 1 is done?
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post #72 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:38pm
Ouch. Bunch, Strangelove and Lawrence were obvious choices, but really, fuck you Ratty. Really.
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post #73 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:38pm
Now I have to sit and agonize over whether I should've taken my one true love with the round one pick instead of assume it will drop to round two.
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post #74 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:39pm
All the iconic titles are dropping. Rounds 4 and 5 are going to be interesting.
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post #75 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:39pm
Who gives a shit? Ratty ruined my draft. It's all over for me without my crown jewel.
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post #76 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:39pm
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Now I have to sit and agonize over whether I should've taken my one true love with the round one pick instead of assume it will drop to round two.
My first pick is shaping up to be more from the heart than from the head.
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post #77 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:40pm
Great picks, Ratty and Moltisanti. They were unsurprinsingly my other 2 choices for my first spot before my gut went with the achingly cool style of Boorman, laconic brilliance of Marvin and Philip Lathrop's wicked visuals. Legendary choices, both though, gentlemen.
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post #78 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:40pm
Great grab with B & C, Anderson. The second best film of the decade!
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post #79 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:41pm
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Great grab with B & C, Anderson. The second best film of the decade!
There's a method to what I'm doing. I figure to get the Icon pick out of the way.
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post #80 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:41pm
Kirby grabbing Apes is like me picking Straw Dogs in the 70's draft. Fait accompli, or some shit. Lot of America this round. Which is fair. I know Rusty's going to fuck me on something, though.

Arabia, The Wild Bunch were definitely on my list that I never put on the list cause they are what they are.
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post #81 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:42pm
A request: please include the year of release when you make your draft selection.
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post #82 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:42pm
West Side Story may not be a great one but it's a movie I love passionately.

One of the first movies I ever saw, I grew up in NYC, I'm half white/half hispanic, and I love the shit out of the songs.

I knew this pick would get shit for a first rounder, especially since it has the stain of a best picture win. I wasn't worried someone else would take it, but after 2001 got stolen from me, fuck it...

And to add salt to the wound Bailey picks 2001 and then disparages it! Ungrateful bastard!
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post #83 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:43pm
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Who gives a shit? Ratty ruined my draft. It's all over for me without my crown jewel.
Your draft is dead . . . it's all messed up!
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post #84 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:43pm
Yeah, you could really go all-foreign in this draft easy.

We don't skip ahead, no, Mr. Dickson. I know that's a bit of torture, but thems the rules. Lucas probably won't be around till after work anyway.
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post #85 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Ratty View Post
All the iconic titles are dropping. Rounds 4 and 5 are going to be interesting.
People always say that, but every draft five rounds ends up being too few.
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post #86 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:45pm
Are some of the drafters gonna struggle come round 4?

Could be interesting. All of the films so far are iconic 60's works, perhaps with the possible exception of Carnival of Souls.

ETA: You all got there before me.
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post #87 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:45pm
And yeah, Planet of the Apes is almost a non-pick. But I like to honor what made me who I am.
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post #88 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:46pm
I don't think people will struggle, especially with the rule change. You can trip over 5 great films from this decade. You could take 5 films from one director and be golden even.
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post #89 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:46pm
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Who gives a shit? Ratty ruined my draft. It's all over for me without my crown jewel.
Told you.
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post #90 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:47pm
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Are some of the drafters gonna struggle come round 4?
Unless some of you guys dig really, really deep, I won't have an issue.
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post #91 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:48pm
I've got a couple of gems in my back pocket. I've still got to check the rules out on a couple of them.
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post #92 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Told you.
Fucker.
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post #93 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:49pm
I'm kinda regretting not jumping into this one. I was scared for the lack of knowledge about the decade.
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post #94 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:50pm
Figured LAWRENCE, WILD BUNCH, WEST SIDE STORY would go fast, fast, fast.

What really stings is PLANET OF THE APES and POINT BLANK. Two of the great ones. Although Kirby is right, the 60s are an insane abundance of cinematic wealth. You could poop out the great titles, left and right.
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post #95 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:57pm
More thought on Apes: in a lot of ways it's the perfect film to end the decade. "Lots of lovemaking, but no love" Taylor says. The idealism of the 60's gets thrown out in a film that's quite cynical, as cynical as Taylor. And the joke is that even as he grows to defend himself and humanity, in the end, he's cut off at the knees by the fact that humans will always hate and destroy themselves.

And it's so relevant to the way I feel these days. When Taylor gets off the ship -- he hates humanity. He believes they deserve extinction. With the way things are these days (the future of my daughter aside) I kind of agree.
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post #96 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:59pm
There's lot of space, Tati, if you want in.
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post #97 of 1735
9/28/09 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by Kirby Drummond View Post
More thought on Apes: in a lot of ways it's the perfect film to end the decade. "Lots of lovemaking, but no love" Taylor says. The idealism of the 60's gets thrown out in a film that's quite cynical, as cynical as Taylor. And the joke is that even as he grows to defend himself and humanity, in the end, he's cut off at the knees by the fact that humans will always hate and destroy themselves.

And it's so relevant to the way I feel these days. When Taylor gets off the ship -- he hates humanity. He believes they deserve extinction. With the way things are these days (the future of my daughter aside) I kind of agree.
It's the death of idealism a year before Woodstock - truly futuristic!
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post #98 of 1735
9/28/09 at 1:01pm
Yeah, but you could argue that Woodstock was a death rattle, and the idealism of the 60s was pretty much dead by the end of '68.
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post #99 of 1735
9/28/09 at 1:02pm
Well, yeah, did you see Taking Woodstock? A so-so film but you see in that how commerce was really the driving force behind that thing, not peace and love.
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post #100 of 1735
9/28/09 at 1:03pm
Thread Starter 
Aww, well. There goes my pipe dream of smuggling Bonnie and Clyde into day two. Obligatory Fuck you to Anderson obviously.

Even though my draft needs some work out now, I guess this draft can teach some of us some valuable lessons about that decade. So far so good.
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