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post #51 of 213
9/30/09 at 2:38am
Lots of great picks in this recent edition.

Clinic! Mass Romantic! Hearts of Oak! The Exploding Hearts (placed over Boys and Girls in America, no less!). Supper Furry Animals Ring Around the World! The Wrens! Girls Can Tell!

Sorry, but I'm loving this list. The placement isn't exactly how mine would shape up...but they're including lots of great stuff.
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post #52 of 213
9/30/09 at 2:41am
I'm really hoping Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot shows up in the top ten. They gave it a perfect score so it's got a shot. Aside from that and Radiohead, I'm really curious to see who they choose to fill out the list.
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post #53 of 213
9/30/09 at 6:16am
I tend to use lala for the trading only (gotten 458 discs so far). I'm not a one time listener of music, but those mp3 deals are tempting.

I have the Nick Cave, the Arctic Monkeys and the Deerhunter out of the first 50. Really hope Dig Lazarus Dig is on there. I consider it a much better Nick Cave disc.
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post #54 of 213
9/30/09 at 6:42am
Looking at the next two installments I am please that i have 22 out of that next 100 discs. Songs for the Deaf below Vampire Weekend? Weird.
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post #55 of 213
9/30/09 at 9:11am
I'm one of the few who is totally comfortable saying that I love Vampire Weekend's debut. Love it.

But that placement is waaaaay too high.
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post #56 of 213
9/30/09 at 9:22am
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Really hope Dig Lazarus Dig is on there. I consider it a much better Nick Cave disc.
Me too. Abattoir is good but Dig is better.
Also, 74. The White Stripes. Elephant That was too far from #1
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post #57 of 213
9/30/09 at 9:30am
Hey, I've heard some of these albums!

I'm a hip dude!
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post #58 of 213
9/30/09 at 10:33am
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Also, 74. The White Stripes. Elephant That was too far from #1
Yeah, that placement pretty much invalidates the entire list.

Edit: I might be Pitchfork's target audience because I have 78 out of the first 150 albums. So I guess that makes me a pretentious douche (sigh).
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post #59 of 213
9/30/09 at 11:16am
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Hey, I've heard some of these albums!

I'm a hip dude!
Only "some"? Pfft.
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post #60 of 213
9/30/09 at 11:18am
I'm tempted to count but am scared I'd have a lot.
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post #61 of 213
9/30/09 at 11:41am
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Only "some"? Pfft.
no you shut up i am with it and cool










(._. ) i really am
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post #62 of 213
9/30/09 at 12:45pm
Stop trolling.
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post #63 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:00pm
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I'm one of the few who is totally comfortable saying that I love Vampire Weekend's debut. Love it.
There's shame in loving Vampire Weekend? I still love these guys, and I can't wait to hear their next album. It's unpretentious light pop-rock.
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post #64 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:03pm
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There's shame in loving Vampire Weekend? I still love these guys, and I can't wait to hear their next album. It's unpretentious light pop-rock.
Yeah, I got shit for liking them from some hipster-ish classmates when their album hit. Apparently they're a frat act or something, I guess? Too preppy for coke in dirty bathroom stalls? I don't know, but it was weird. My reaction was basically "....but their music is good...I don't...understand..."
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post #65 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:17pm
The short blurb accompanying their entry mentions it. It's pretty poppy so unless they have "animal" or "panda" in their name some hipsters are gonna backlash. Maybe they don't realize that the preppy thing is a shtick in and of itself too?
Personally I friggin love that album.
edit: they are also great live
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post #66 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:19pm
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Stop trolling.
How the fuck is this trolling, exactly?
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post #67 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
[Vampire Weekend is] unpretentious light pop-rock.
Really? See, I kind of saw them as being completely pretentious. I never understood the fuss. And yeah, they're stupidly ranked over lots of better and more influential albums.

There is lots of good stuff on this list, but as others have said, the placement is way out of whack (The Woods at 127, behind Mastodon? Fuck you, Pitchfork), and many of the write-ups are smug and off-base (The Walkmen were never a "bratty New York band," way to totally miss the point, Pitchfork).
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post #68 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:23pm
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Yeah, I got shit for liking them from some hipster-ish classmates when their album hit. Apparently they're a frat act or something, I guess? Too preppy for coke in dirty bathroom stalls? I don't know, but it was weird. My reaction was basically "....but their music is good...I don't...understand..."
There are people who strongly dislike their music and cite valid (I guess) reasons. In fact, there were people in this forum whose opinions I respect (like Russ) that HATED it.

I don't get it either, but its not always about their Oxford shirts and Ivy League content. Good pop songs aren't easy to write, and the album is chocked full of them. They're catchy as hell. I know being "catchy" doesn't equal quality, but I fail to see what's "wrong" with any of the songs on their debut. Is it light? Yeah, its light. But that doesn't make it bad.

Still, placing that album above, say Mass Romantic and Boys and Girls in America, among others, wouldn't have been my personal choice.
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post #69 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:25pm
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Really? See, I kind of saw them as being completely pretentious.
Explain? I just don't see where the pretension is in what's essentially a great throwaway pop album. I'd like to hear where you're coming from with this.
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post #70 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:34pm
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Really? See, I kind of saw them as being completely pretentious. I never understood the fuss. And yeah, they're stupidly ranked over lots of better and more influential albums.
Did they fuck your mother or what? The music itself is unpretentious. Simon & Garkunkel-lite. And they don't seem to declare themselves the "best fucking rock band ever" even if they're far from it, like The Killers. So where the problem?

And who care if some hipster douchebags think about them? The fact that they're hipsters invalidate their opinions anyway.
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post #71 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:41pm
They still have hipsters? Ever since I switched to the biker bar, I don't see them around town any more. I just assumed they all got jobs. As for Vampire Weekend, I really like the album. There are a lot of really fun remixes, too.
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post #72 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:49pm
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Explain? I just don't see where the pretension is in what's essentially a great throwaway pop album. I'd like to hear where you're coming from with this.
Maybe "pretentious" is an unfair label for them--it's hard to fault them for their Ivy-League shtick when they are, in fact, Ivy Leaguers. Honestly, that was my knee-jerk response when the album dropped and I really don't care enough about them and their music to dig any deeper. I gave the album a shot and went on to more interesting stuff. I'm certainly not slamming anyone for liking them, they just didn't do it for me. But I'll retract my accusation of pretentious.

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Did they fuck your mother or what?
No, they're just fucking boring.

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And who care if some hipster douchebags think about them? The fact that they're hipsters invalidate their opinions anyway.
I couldn't agree more.
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post #73 of 213
9/30/09 at 1:51pm
Fair enough if you just don't dig the album, that's fine. I consider it a really strong, but ultimately forgettable pop album. I always like hearing one of their songs come up during my iTunes Genius rotation, but I don't usually actively put on their album anymore. I just found the label "pretentious" to be kind of an odd fit for them, since I just don't see that.

I'm holding out hope that The Airing of Grievances makes it on this list somewhere.
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post #74 of 213
9/30/09 at 2:41pm
One Beat is much better than The Woods and I'm kind of shocked to see PF agrees with me.
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post #75 of 213
9/30/09 at 3:27pm
I agree with you, too.
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post #76 of 213
9/30/09 at 4:14pm
Fuck. Someone call NASA
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post #77 of 213
9/30/09 at 4:15pm
One Beat is indeed awesome, even though it has "Prisstina" which has to be Sleater-Kinney's worst song. Actually, that tail end is kind of a drag--I often end up skipping over the tracks between "Oxygen" and "Sympathy." I think it's a toss up for me for which album is better; ask me on different days and you'll likely get different answers. Today, however, it's The Woods.
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post #78 of 213
9/30/09 at 4:22pm
I have to admit I hated Vampire Weekend when the album first came out for all the previously stated reasons. And then I heard "The Kids Don't Stand a Chance" months after the initial run of the album had passed and gave it a shot and found myself enjoying it a lot more than I thought.

But still it really shouldn't be higher than a lot of the albums it is.
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post #79 of 213
9/30/09 at 5:01pm
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Fuck. Someone call NASA
Did. Much like the great wall, they said they could tell that you're a giant asshole from space.
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post #80 of 213
9/30/09 at 8:26pm
I casually dipped into the list earlier today, with an arms-folded "go on, impress me" mindset, but when I saw that they've included McClusky Do Dallas, my arms unfolded quickly, and I was indeed impressed. I'm looking forward to reading the rest of the list now, but will probably wait until it's published in its entirety. Could make for one hell of a Christmas shopping list.
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post #81 of 213
9/30/09 at 8:30pm
McClusky was a great pick too. I'm really pleased that they're including a lot of early 2000's albums. Not an easy task, since it makes sense that the most recent stuff is fresher in their minds.

By the way, my "make it or break it" moment was their inclusion of The Exploding Hearts. if you haven't heard Guitar Romantic by The Exploding Hearts, do yourself a favor and give it a listen immediately. It will rock your socks off.
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post #82 of 213
9/30/09 at 8:33pm
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By the way, my "make it or break it" moment was their inclusion of The Exploding Hearts. if you haven't heard Guitar Romantic by The Exploding Hearts, do yourself a favor and give it a listen immediately. It will rock your socks off.
Will do. I wasn't really thinking about it before because I was too busy backlashin', but you're totally right about p4k at least being good for getting me into bands that I otherwise wouldn't have cared shit about/heard of. For as much as I'm scratching my head over Justin Timberlake's album getting a higher ranking than Tyranny of Distance or All Hour Cymbals or The Woods, it's still a solid list so far.
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post #83 of 213
9/30/09 at 9:02pm
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By the way, my "make it or break it" moment was their inclusion of The Exploding Hearts. if you haven't heard Guitar Romantic by The Exploding Hearts, do yourself a favor and give it a listen immediately. It will rock your socks off.
I'm listening to it right now. Fantastic. I can be really picky when it comes to revivalist rock (God, I hate that term. Apologies.), but listening to this album reminds me that there are other non-Ted Leo options out there. Thank you, sir.
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post #84 of 213
9/30/09 at 9:07pm
Again, without seeing the whole list, it's hard to lodge too many complaints about placement, but Boys and Girls in America, Bitte Orca, Yoshimi, Drum's Not Dead, and Hissing Fauna were the big "not ranked as high as I would have thought" surprises in this installment. Not just because I like them all, but I thought they were generally better regarded by Pitchfork (unlike Hearts of Oak and Mass Romantic, which I love, but wasn't counting on being top 50).

Glad to see Trail of Dead, though, since so many seemed to retroactively write them off after the post-Source Tags and Codes albums, and Dismemberment Plan.

I have no idea what this is all about, though (from the Bitte Orca write-up):
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The band never smiles. There's no accident in the music-- everything sounds planned to the point of suffocation.
I hear a lot of joy on Bitte Orca ("Two Doves" aside), and while the songs come together too well for them not to have been intricately arranged, the looseness and tempo slips make it sound like the very opposite of suffocated to me.
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post #85 of 213
9/30/09 at 9:20pm
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I hear a lot of joy on Bitte Orca ("Two Doves" aside), and while the songs come together too well for them not to have been intricately arranged, the looseness and tempo slips make it sound like the very opposite of suffocated to me.
Agreed, it is a pretty weird comment.
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post #86 of 213
9/30/09 at 11:51pm
The Meadowlands by The Wrens came in at number 88, instead of somewhere in the top 10. List no longer holds my interest.
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post #87 of 213
10/1/09 at 1:13am
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One Beat is indeed awesome, even though it has "Prisstina" which has to be Sleater-Kinney's worst song.
Wha--at? Are you sure you aren't confusing 'Prisstina' with 'Funeral Song' since they were mistakenly switched on the tracklisting of the album? Because 'Prisstina' is a top 3 S-K tune for me (so much that it made the cut on my Chewer mix tape for Dan).
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post #88 of 213
10/1/09 at 9:19am
I've been looking through this list at some of the albums I've never heard of, but I just can't really decide which ones I'd like to check out.
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post #89 of 213
10/1/09 at 9:43am
Fleet Foxes at 32 is just way too high.
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post #90 of 213
10/1/09 at 9:55am
No it ain't.
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post #91 of 213
10/1/09 at 9:56am
Great to see "For Emma, Forever Ago" ranked so highly. That album is brilliant.
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post #92 of 213
10/1/09 at 10:15am
The distance between M.I.A. Kala and In rainbows is a good indicator of this list.
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post #93 of 213
10/1/09 at 10:25am
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Wha--at? Are you sure you aren't confusing 'Prisstina' with 'Funeral Song' since they were mistakenly switched on the tracklisting of the album? Because 'Prisstina' is a top 3 S-K tune for me (so much that it made the cut on my Chewer mix tape for Dan).
Nope, no confusion. I don't like "Funeral Song" either, but I know "Prisstina," and it definately grates on me, to the extent that I find it hard to listen to the whole song.
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post #94 of 213
10/1/09 at 10:27am
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By the way, my "make it or break it" moment was their inclusion of The Exploding Hearts. if you haven't heard Guitar Romantic by The Exploding Hearts, do yourself a favor and give it a listen immediately. It will rock your socks off.
That really is an awesome album. I got it when it first came out, loved it, got excited that they were gearing up to do their first East Coast dates, and then got really sad when 3/4 of them died. What a bummer.
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post #95 of 213
10/1/09 at 10:31am
I bought that Exploding Hearts off of iTunes last night if it sucks I'm coming to kill you Parker
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post #96 of 213
10/1/09 at 11:26am
You have been spared. That was pretty awesome.
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post #97 of 213
10/1/09 at 11:43am
Don't hold yourself back on our account. You can kill him if you want.
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post #98 of 213
10/1/09 at 11:55am
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The distance between M.I.A. Kala and In rainbows is a good indicator of this list.
I guess it says something about the subjectivity of taste that I have no idea what this comment means. Kala should be higher? In Rainbows should be higher? One shouldn't be on the list?

They both seem about right to me, actually.

Seems Pitchfork agrees with Parker and Mushnik about the Hold Steady. I love both albums, but I have to admit that putting Separation Sunday over Boys and Girls almost seems deliberately provocative to me.

Pretty good section of the list, overall. I don't think Fleet Foxes or the Yeah Yeah Yeahs should be so high, but I saw that coming. Happy to see Bon Iver, Fugazi, Phoenix; didn't expect to see another Shins entry after their first and best album got listed way up top; thought TV on the Radio would be a little higher, but I think this is about right. Also, our first Radiohead sightings - the appearance of In Rainbows has me doubtful that Hail to the Thief made the cut, which is unfortunate.
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post #99 of 213
10/1/09 at 11:59am
I REALLY wanted that TVOTR album to be in the top 20, but oh well.
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post #100 of 213
10/1/09 at 12:02pm
Thread Starter 
I really dug the writeup for In Rainbows, as that's pretty much exactly how I feel about it.

There's a lot in this section of the list that I'm aware of, and is probably great, but I haven't gotten around to hearing, like Bon Iver and Fleet Foxes.
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