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Duels – The Barbarians Move In (2008)



You can download the album from the Band’s official site here.

The British Indie scene is just about starting to recover nowadays, but between 2005 and 2008 the frantic search for new content led to scores of Indie bands being thrust into the spotlight on the strength of a single and then finding their evolution as a band unnaturally shortened. Bands would be picked up, labeled the next big thing, and then expected to deal with massive press attention whilst attempting to create a debut album when they would probably have been better served remaining obscure for a few years. Duels found themselves in a similar situation in 2006, their debut album achieving acclaim but the band themselves proving to be commercial disappointments due to a lack of an established fanbase and a less than honed live sound. They were a band with ideas and potential talent, but they’d been plucked from obscurity far too early and soon they found themselves ditched by their label.

Duels were then picked up by the newly formed This Is Fake DIY record label and over the course of 16 months redefined and refined their sound. The Barbarians Move In was the result of this redefinition, an aggressive, growling, folk tinged, rock album. From their beginnings as an indie band ‘with potential’ they created an album that bristled with energy and sounded, at first, a million miles away from the synth pop 80s nostalgia currently dominating the indie scene. But The Barbarians Move In had its foot in the 80s, but instead of paying homage to synth pop they chose to become almost post punk in their stylization. With their brooding lyrics, firing line style drumwork, and occasional dips into feedback led moments of frentic energy the band feels like an amalgamation of the Bad Seeds and My Bloody Valentine and even at times The Cult. But whilst it’s hard to shake the links to the past the album has enough vitality, and spark and character to feel like its own beast and songs like The Furies work with the kind of atmosphere you usually only get in the best Nick Cave records.

If you like this album check out Primary Colours by The Horrors or Ocean Rain by Echo and the Bunnymen.

The National Lights – The Dead Will Walk, Dear (2007)



You can hear the album via LaLa here.

This album is a dangerous proposition for a list like this, it’s stylised, and light and potentially forgettable. It’s also potentially laughable, it’s attempts at American Gothic potentially being hilarious rather than having the proper effect. But if you let the album get its hooks into you it’s an amazing, amazing experience. At a paltry 27 minutes long it’s hardly the grandest of albums but the band aims for storytelling over scope, each song a minute ballad to the depravity of man. These are songs about murder, about violence, about destruction and deceit and their backed by the kind of pleasant accompianment that almost makes the subject matter palatable. In songs like Swimming In The Swamp the twanging bluegrass and church like organs almost battles with the sweet intonation of murderous lyrics.

Released mid may 2007 The Dead Will Walk, Dear remains the only work by the group. Their official site suggesting that the band is either defunct or on hiatus which is a shame because as a fledgeling effort The Dead Will Walk, Dear is a major accomplishment. It’s an album I still find utterly haunting even two years after first discovering it.

If you like this you should check out My Friends All Died In A Plane Crash by Cocoon or Let The Blind Lead Those Who Can See But Cannot Feel by Atlas Sound
post #2 of 24
I've never heard of either of them, Spike. This should be fun!
post #3 of 24
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I hope you like them Judas. I’m wondering how more mature chewers are going to react to these albums because there is a brooding, sullen, quality to both of them which may seem trite to people with more life experience.
post #4 of 24
I know a bit about Duel (from Spike, duh), but never of The National Lights.
post #5 of 24
On a first (cursory) listen, I'm not sure I've ever heard an album that unironically boasts the kind of disparity between musical style and lyrical content that The National Lights album does. Its mirror-image album would be Slayer singing about puppies and rainbows.

But, damn, it works.
post #6 of 24
Nice that both are available on Rhapsody. Just started on The Duels; love the guitar so far.
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Matt M View Post
On a first (cursory) listen, I'm not sure I've ever heard an album that unironically boasts the kind of disparity between musical style and lyrical content that The National Lights album does. Its mirror-image album would be Slayer singing about puppies and rainbows.

But, damn, it works.
I glad you liked it. I debated including the album because whilst it works for me I wasn't sure if it would click with other people.
post #8 of 24
Duels-The Barbarians Move In

It's really unfair to do this but listening to this album I got a Radiohead vibe from this group. There's alot of space that's used to very good effect, they've managed to create a really epic sound, Sleeping Giants is a fantastic song, probably my favorite on the entire record, Regeneration has an epic chorus and The Healing is wonderfully moody (again, the radiohead comparisons are apt) and Wolvesland is another bombastic song.
I really dug this album.

The National Lights-The dead will walk, dear

In comparison to Duels, this is a remarkably more intimate album, at first I thought it was just a disposable folk/pop record but it does have it's charm, songs like Mess Around really pull you in with their warmth. For some reason the songs, or maybe the singer reminded me of Chris Whitley, songs consisting of small town stories.

Some really good picks Spike, I never would've come across them otherwise.
post #9 of 24
The National Lights album is good, but the more I listen to it, the more it grows on me.

I've listened to Duel like once, but it got lost during my discovery of new flashier albums before. Glad that you pointed it out again. I'll post more thoughts later on.
post #10 of 24
I really like the National Lights album, but I feel like its holding me at a distance most of the time. I don't want to call it a gimmick album or anything like that, but the juxtaposition of the horrendously violent, sick, dark lyrics and the music feel...not quite contrived, but ...how do I put this? Overly intentional?

It works, don't get me wrong. Mot of the songs are simply so beautiful musically they could be singing about anything and I would enjoy them purely on a surface level. But the lyrics, effective as they often are, feel overly written in a sense because they're going for the "shock" factor. It's like a writer in a freshman year in college who can't resist the "gotcha" ending.

Again, I'm not beating these songs up. I admire the album quite a bit. But it doesn't feel terribly genuine. Does that make any sense?

I downloaded Duels today so I'll get back to my thoughts on that for a bit.
post #11 of 24
I have to say, I'm really loving Duels, there's so much energy in 'Barbarians', I don't think I've heard a band create such an epic sound since Radiohead.
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I have to say, I'm really loving Duels, there's so much energy in 'Barbarians', I don't think I've heard a band create such an epic sound since Radiohead.
Yeah. I've been listening like twice today. I don't know if comparing them to Radiohead is a favor, and I get it as far as early radiohead goes, but Duel is a shing exemple of a great use of backing vocals. I don't think I'l listen much to The National Lights later on, but Duel is a sure bet.
post #13 of 24
One thing that listening to The National Lights has driven home for me is my own propensity to not pay attention to lyrics. I guess my default mode is to treat vocals as just another instrument in the mix and, especially on a first listen, to completely tune out the meaning of the words being sung (even when I find myself singing along to them in the chorus). It wasn't until the 4th or 5th track on TDWWD that some line managed to catch my attention, at which point I found myself going, "Wait, what?"
post #14 of 24
Duels is...interesting. It might grow on me. I like them musically a lot more than lyrically. Is it just me or are there a lot of references to Norse mythology on this? It sounds like Arcade Fire with 80's ren fair lyrics. Some songs seem stronger than others, and I really dig their sound. But I'm not sold on the lyrics yet. Yet. The whole thing might grow on me, though. And it definitely deserves a few more lessons.

Great picks, Spike.
post #15 of 24
Well, I've given The Duels a few spins (or whatever we call it these days).

It's an impressive sound, certainly: the frequent use of martial rhythms harkens back to mid-period U2, while the melodic grandiosity makes me think of old Moody Blues albums. Making "walk the perimeter fence" into a nagging verbal hook is no small feat. I do wish the cleaner guitar sound of the opening track hadn't been abandoned so quickly, though.

Lyrically, it's more problematic for me. It's not like I don't remember the post-adolescent agoraphobia of stepping out into an overwhelming world, but hearing it presented as overblown melodrama doesn't really say anything new or interesting to me. In particular, there's way too many images like church bells and crow's nests: I can buy that sort of thing from folks in my general age bracket (Richard Thompson, say, or Bob Dylan), but from someone in this band's age group, it just smacks of English-lit class.

I like it enough that it's still on my mp3 player (though it was free after all), so it may be that some of the tracks will pop up now and then on shuffle with some apercu that I've missed, though I kinda doubt it.

On to The National Lights...
post #16 of 24
I've been meaning to post my thoughts for a couple days but things kept coming up and my internet kept going down. Anyway, here it goes:

DUELS - I really dig the spooky vibe going on here (somehow it seems seasonally appropriate). The band seems to make really good use of space, creating the kind of sonic depth that I'm always glad to hear bands attempting in this day and age when popular music seems focused on creating compressed monolithic slabs of sound. Overall the album seems fairly strong musically. Don't know what else there is to say that hasn't been said already. I'm going to keep this around, it's definitely been growing on me.

The National Lights - This is weird with a capital weird. On the one hand the music is really, honestly, beautiful, but the lyrics are really disturbing. It's so brief and simple that I don't know what else to say about it.

Good picks Spike.
post #17 of 24
Spike: I lost my earbuds on Monday, so I haven't been able to listen to any of these tracks yet. I promise you that I'll listen to these two albums and comment on them asap.
post #18 of 24
Really nice picks, Spike. I dug both of them, especially Duels.

The album had a great, dense thundering sort of power to it, especially the amazing first track "The Furies." But with its 45 minute length, the dark tone gets a little tiring for me. Even the couple of quieter songs have a sort of tension to them, and with some editing or varying of style, I think the impact of the album as a whole could have been more powerful.
The lyrics aren't amazing but they aren't so bad as to detract from the songs. Honestly, I don't really mind bad or average lyrics, shifting my focus mainly to the music and the impact of the singer's voice, more than what's being sung.

Still, I enjoyed the album so much I've recommended it to some friends.

As for The National Lights, yeah, beautiful but definitely creepy. Didn't expect to hear lines like this: "While I'm killing swallows/You're eating flies/Through that hole in your face." The band successfully pulls of the potentially gimmicky lyrics by being really sincere about it. If there was any kind of winking or "Look how shocking we're being" kind of antics, the album will totally fail.
In this case, if I focus on and enjoy the music I feel a little guilty, knowing they accompany disturbing tales of murder.
post #19 of 24
Okay, I finally feel like I've listened to these enough to comment.

Based on the descriptions, I fully expected The National Lights album to work better for me, but I'm finding the opposite to be the case.

The Barbarians Move In does some nice things, sonically, nearly always going for that epic scope. Even on the more subdued moments, like that piano-led intro section of "The Healing", there's a lushness that reminds me of the Velvet Teen's Elysium (and it doesn't hurt that there's a similarity in the vocals). As others have suggested, it's very much an atmospheric album, and even when the songs aren't all that distinctive, it gets by on arrangement.

That said, Duels makes some a few missteps like the chanting "hey hey!"s on "The Furies" that later recur on "This Year's Man". It may seem like a little thing, but it indicates a lack of confidence in the strident, martial tone they're able to conjure musically without gimmick. It's too on-the-nose, and it encapsulates their tendency to go a little too obvious. Even the best deadly serious bands (Joy Division, Radiohead, Fugazi, etc.) engage in some musical ambiguity from time to time. Duels doesn't seem to trust their audience in the same way and makes all their musical (if not necessarily lyrical) statements a little too tidily if that makes sense.

Still, it's a damn good step towards... something. From what Spike wrote, Duels seems like a band that's willing to reinvent itself a bit. They're quite good now, but with a little more subtlety, they could be way better (although I have to say I'm puzzled by the MBV and Bad Seeds comparisons).

The National Lights, though... I really thought I'd like this more, but it strikes me as disingenuous right down to the singer's voice. Instead of the grit or fragility that the death-obsessed lyrics would seem to demand, it's all honey, all fussed-over.

The songs are so simple that they seem tossed off, which would be okay if the lyrics justified their simplicity. I guess there's sincerity in the delivery, but the sincerity doesn't seem rooted in the words at all, as I hear it - it's only sincere in that the singer wants you to hear the little melodies he's written. Where's the inflection to bring out the stories that drive the songs? And what's with all of these murder ballads, anyway? What makes for a great murder ballad is a great story or a great character or narrator, but I don't get any of this stuff from The National Lights. It's just random violent imagery, and the pretty melody/spare, elusive death narrative trick gets tiresome after just a few songs.

Maybe it's my "life experience" that makes me find the National Lights trite (as Spike predicted), but I love unbridled youthful melancholy when it's done well. This just seems too calculated and, yes, gimmicky - the lyrics too disconnected from the music to really hit where they need to.
post #20 of 24
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One thing that listening to The National Lights has driven home for me is my own propensity to not pay attention to lyrics. I guess my default mode is to treat vocals as just another instrument in the mix and, especially on a first listen, to completely tune out the meaning of the words being sung (even when I find myself singing along to them in the chorus).
Because I have the exact same tendencies, The National Lights made very little impression on me. I'm just not a lyrics guy in general. I tend not to pay attention to lyrics unless they're really high in the mix, amazingly great, or amazingly terrible. I'm pretty forgiving of stupid, nonsensical or inscrutable lyrics if the music is good. The Breeders have plenty of each category, and I still love them.

So without something more compelling going on musically, a band probably just isn't going to hook me. And Dave already pointed out everything (and more) that I could say about the lyrical content and delivery. Not for me.

Duels has a lot going on musically, and I like the sound. I like atmospheric bands like this. It's like Muse without most of the tiresome wankery and Queen fixation. It deserves more time from me, but I like it quite a bit. It will go on the iPhone rotation for a while. Thanks for pointing us towards these guys.
post #21 of 24
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I'm really, really, glad you guys liked Duels. They're still a fairly young band and I see them becoming something great in the future.

For anyone interested THIS is what they used to sound like.

Dave: The My Bloody Valentine/Nick Cave references were my attempts at shorthand re their use of sound and the heavily mythologised nature of their lyrics.
post #22 of 24
Finally got around to National Lights, and I have to echo some of what's been said: the disconnect between words and music feels more like a device than an organic musical choice. And it's a device that might work better with more mundane subject matter, but trying to get inside the head of a monster like the narrator is something that even veteran writers have trouble doing convincingly.

An interesting experiment, but I'd enjoy hearing the band try something less artificial.
post #23 of 24
Playing a bit of catch-up:

I'm really, really digging the Duels. I've listened to it twice now and I find it to be very appealing. I'll agree with pretty much everything positive that's been said about it already, but I particularly like 'the Furies'.

Great pick, Spike.

I'll get around to the National Lights when I can.
post #24 of 24
OK, I just listened to the National Lights a couple of times. The vocals and the music go together nicely, but it really doesn't strike me as something that I'd ever want/need to listen to on a regular basis. To be honest, I kinda found it boring.

Regarding the lyrics: yes, they are a bit out there, but I'm more concerned with how they're being sung vs the actual content. I didn't experience the 'novelty band' factor like some of the other listeners.

Still digging the Duels, though.
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