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E.C. Segar's Popeye (and "Thimble Theater" in general)

post #1 of 12
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For such an iconic character, very few people seem to have read the original Popeye comic strips. I know I didn't read them as a kid, and so my knowledge of the dude rested on some barely glimpsed Fleischer cartoons and some truly dire comic books; being particuarly opposed to vegetables as a kid, this sailor' spinach pimping mug filled me with no kind thoughts whatsoever.

But now there's Fantagrpahics' reprinting of the original Segar strips (done in frankly unwieldly giant-sized editions.) I've been following these since the first volume, and I have to say, outside of maybe Krazy Kat there isn't a single strip from the golden age of newspaper cartoons that can hold a candle to Popeye. I love how the characters just keep getting swept up in these epic insane adventures; I love the crazy twisted logic that the strip follows; I love Segar's creativity with language, Popeye's throughly mangled english being a particular highlight.

At the same time, there's something really touching about these strips, especially when you consider that they were being printed during the Great Depression: there's something very poignant about how Segar keeps having Popeye and his pals fall into these gigantic fortunes, and even though they're usually gone again by the end of the storyline, you can see the sense of wish fulfillment inherent to that - especially when you consider how the rich characters are almost always hateful rogues or ponpous buffoons. In a way the strip reminds me of the Warner Bros movies of the 30's - all those Cagney and Robinson flicks that have a similiar focus on ethnic humor and working class portrayals.

And then there's Wimpy.



Wimpy is interested in two things, and two things only: free food and watching someone beat someone else up. His civilized tone, and the relentless eagerness with which he pursues these two goals, make him one of my favourite characters of all time.

Anyway, yeah, great stuff this. Anyone else a fan?
post #2 of 12
Absolutely. I read the first two volumes two years ago. Along with Terry & the Pirates and Flash Gordon, this was a huge eye-opener for me. I had no idea how rich and beautiful these classic comic strips were.

It's especially interesting to start reading Thimble Theater from before the advent of Popeye. He isn't even named at first, and is kind of a walk-on joke. To see the way he starts pushing the star characters out of their own strip is kind of fascinating. Ham basically disappears once Popeye takes over.
post #3 of 12
Genius. "Mr. Wimpy has gone to China. My name is... Jones. I'm one of the Jones boys..."
post #4 of 12
The Fleischer cartoons are fantastic, too. I love how practically all the dialogue seems to be ADR.
post #5 of 12
And apparently, the Fleischers completely invented the whole spinach thing that's now the center of the character's reputation. It's nowhere to be found in the comics.
post #6 of 12
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Really interested in seeing the Fleischer stuff - they're probably the classic animation studio that I've seen the least of.

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And apparently, the Fleischers completely invented the whole spinach thing that's now the center of the character's reputation. It's nowhere to be found in the comics.
Sadly, this isn't true - I just finished the third volume and it introduces that plot point, as well as giving Popeye a baby, all of which makes me fear that the character's getting defanged at an alarming rate. But there's still an amazing storyline with Popeye becoming king of an island and getting the citizens of Nazilla to defect to his side. Also, tons of Wimpy in the Sunday strips. So it's all good.
post #7 of 12
The color Popeye "specials" (notably Sinbad and Ali Baba), IMHO, trump even the Superman cartoons as the pinnacle of the Fleischers' work.
post #8 of 12
A lot of animation historians agree with you. Since I haven't seen the Popeye shorts since I was a kid (and back then, any cartoon lost to Chuck Jones' Daffy Duck shorts), I'm not prepared to throw in.

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Sadly, this isn't true - I just finished the third volume and it introduces that plot point, as well as giving Popeye a baby, all of which makes me fear that the character's getting defanged at an alarming rate. But there's still an amazing storyline with Popeye becoming king of an island and getting the citizens of Nazilla to defect to his side. Also, tons of Wimpy in the Sunday strips. So it's all good.
Weird. I need to get back to that. How many volumes are there?
post #9 of 12
Six total, I think. The first three are out now. On Amazon it says Vol. 4 is available for pre-order but I swear I saw it at Zanadu in the U-District. I have vols. 1 and 2. Need to pick up 3 soon. Geez, Fantagraphics between these, The Peanuts reprints, The Ernie Bushmiller's Nancy I am going to be broke. Oh and I think they are also going to reprint Pogo.
post #10 of 12
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Oh and I think they are also going to reprint Pogo.
And my old copies are all really showing their age. I see this being a big chunk of my Christmas wish list for 2010.
post #11 of 12
[QUOTE=DanielRoffle;2714807]Really interested in seeing the Fleischer stuff - they're probably the classic animation studio that I've seen the least of.

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I cannot reccommend them enough to you. The first volume of Popeye cartoons that was recently released came with an EC Segar reprint. As a fan of Krazy Kat I was quite surprised by the complexity of these strips. The DVD also came with a pretty great documentary on Segar and the early days of animation.

And I picked it up at Big Lots for $3, so, I feel all kinds of lucky.
post #12 of 12
The Comic Art Museum in S.F. is currently displaying a Thimble Theatre page from 1932 that does indeed spotlight spinach.

And yes, the new DVD sets are fantastic, and loaded with extras. John Kricfalusi does a commentary on Sinbad the Sailor.
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