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post #1351 of 1527
The conspiracy theory site that MrBananaGrabber linked to a few days ago in the Ron Paul thread turned out to be a delightful rabbit hole of symbol analysis in pop culture. The "Inanna Montana" posts are pretty hilarious, but I was impressed with author Christopher Knowles' dissection of the symbolism in A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. I read it as simply film critique by a weird and interesting guy. Take the twin articles on Dark City and the Matrix, interpreting them as superficially identical Gnostic parables with radically different ideas about gender, for example.

Here's Knowle on the order of the two trilogies:
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Even so, Lucas has accomplished something unique with the Star Wars films in that they truly form a cycle. The reverse chronology motif of ritual drama (meaning the drama is meant to reverse an unhappy historical event, often using reversal of time in the narrative) is used in a way to see the story as an endless loop, similar to the cycles of creation and destruction in Hindu theology. The last film in order of release ends on a down note, in which the hero of the past three films is transformed into the personification of evil. In order to experience the kind of redemption that ritual drama provides, you need to return to the first film, which is set after the last film chronologically. By watching the films in order by release, you are then returned -- by emotional necessity --back to the beginning. And by emphasizing the chapter assignation in the titles, viewers are now perpetually confused by what the ‘first film’ actually is.

It was this thought exercise, though, at the end of the Return of the Jedi article, that struck me as the most creative of the flights of fancy I've read on the site so far:
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So how would an Ewok describe Return of the Jedi? He'd say it's about giant aliens who came down from the sky with amazing powers and terrible magic. In the midst of this the Golden God fulfilled the prophecies and walked among the people and taught them the secrets of the gods and about the war in Heaven. The other gods then asked the Ewoks to join them in battle against the demons with their terrible beasts.

The gods defeated their enemies and left Endor, promising one day to return. The shamans and chiefs were entrusted to teach subsequent generations the stories of the gods that the Golden God taught them. Which is essentially the same story told in this book (Zechariah Sitchin's "The Wars of Gods and Men")

All in all, the site makes for some fascinating reading, and the author handles trolling in the comments much more gracefully than many of us would. I found it too interesting not to share.
post #1352 of 1527
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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken View Post

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go the theatrical route.

or get your own projector...

...really 3D is expensive these days, and nothing like a little privacy.


Yeah the 4,5,1-3,6 route sounds good.

Although what if the original original trilogy is released?

OOT 4, OOT 5, current blu rays of 1 - 3, SE 6
post #1353 of 1527

I still think 4-5-1-2-3-6 means you're abandoning Luke, Han, and Leia for too long.  That's a seven hour detour before getting back to 'Boba Fett kidnapped Han.'

post #1354 of 1527
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape View Post

I still think 4-5-1-2-3-6 means you're abandoning Luke, Han, and Leia for too long.  That's a seven hour detour before getting back to 'Boba Fett kidnapped Han.'



Ah, but as soon as you meet Boba you're transported back in time to learn his back story as well. The same applies to the Emperor, who is only glimpsed in ESB, and Jabba the Hutt. It's becoming very clear that the prequels don't actually set up the original Star Wars trilogy, but focus almost entirely on the key players of Return of the Jedi.

post #1355 of 1527

My preferred order is 4-5-6-Lucas-never-got-around-to-any-more.

post #1356 of 1527
Thread Starter 
I agree, it's actually hard to find an ideal situation. That said, I was always for Episode III leaving out showing Anakin being turned into Darth Vader. They were able to keep Yoda from revealing he was going to Dagobah, but I guess Episode III needed a moneyshot of Vader. Still, the last 10 minutes of Episode III is some of my favorite of the entire saga, so I guess we're really stuck here.

I guess one could leave out episodes 1 and 2, since really 3 has everything you need in it.

It might be biased, but the original Clone Wars cartoon's really got to like Episode III more. I was finally invested in them. Oh well, just some movies... (heh okay okay maybe they're influential).
post #1357 of 1527
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It might be biased, but the original Clone Wars cartoon's really got to like Episode III more. I was finally invested in them. Oh well, just some movies... (heh okay okay maybe they're influential).


The Samurai Jack style ones?  They were astounding, and had some of the best foreshadowing imagery.

 

post #1358 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post


The Samurai Jack style ones?  They were astounding, and had some of the best foreshadowing imagery.

 


That they do, hell of a series of shorts.  While the Clone Wars CG cartoon has been hit and miss..This series had me.  Even explaining how Windu fucked up General Grievous.

 

post #1359 of 1527

 

I really enjoyed both of those early Clone Wars mini-series a lot. Definitely anime inspired in tone and a lot of fun to boot. The CG Clone Wars , when it was first announced, seemed like it was going to be a retread but thankfully I was wrong. Using the backdrop of a galaxy wide conflict and adding in new factions has really made it into a solid show all on it's own. Granted, there's been a few filler episodes but more often than not it's a great weekly dose of animated SW. 

 

After reading McCallum's comments about the long in development live-action SW show I'm pretty excited about the whole concept and I really hope they don't wait too long to get it off the ground.

 

 

post #1360 of 1527

Ordered the non CG Clone Wars from play.com for the girl.  It's not available over here sadly.

 

When there's a special on the CG ones I'll get those.

 

I feel a bit like a pusher feeding her addiction but man, she LOVES it.

 

Have Star Wars Lego Classic on XBox and as soon as I can afford another controller we'll be on that.  Don;t want to let her know it's arrived until we can play it together.

 

And as an aside I'm completely loving this stuff again.  Bizarre, I genuinely thought I'd grown apart from it.

post #1361 of 1527

 Behold, sublimity:

 

post #1362 of 1527

 

That's the best use of barking dogs in history of mankind. Great ad!

post #1363 of 1527
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post


The Samurai Jack style ones?  They were astounding, and had some of the best foreshadowing imagery.

 


Yes sir!
post #1364 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

My preferred order is 4-5-6-Lucas-never-got-around-to-any-more.



LOL

 

post #1365 of 1527

So that Star Wars Uncut project finished up. Clear two hours of your schedule. You think you'll just watch a few minutes to see what's what, but you are wrong.

post #1366 of 1527

Convince me to go past that stupid prologue crawl.

post #1367 of 1527

If you go past the stupid prologue crawl, you will find yourself before the most bizarre, sad, inventive piece of obsessive fandom devotion you've ever seen. Forget watching a car accident, this is like having a front row seat to the Costa Concordia (too soon?).

post #1368 of 1527

I dunno... I watched past the crawl a bit, and found myself pretty bored already.

post #1369 of 1527

This is going to reek of fanboy apologism, but here goes...

 

This makes me feel better about Star Wars fandom than I have in a long time.  Even in the segments that poke fun at things, there's still a sense of affection there.  There's an awful lot of creativity on display here, as well as cases where the enthusiasm outweighs the talent.  This is fandom taking ownership of something they love, and expressing that love.  I see parents and grandparents and children and grandchildren, a testament to the generational pull the film still has.  And, in the wake of Lucas' comments last week about the fans constantly yelling at him, it's refreshing to see two hours of sheer unadulterated enthusiasm for the film rather than the rather boring trend of casual dismissal that seems to be so prevalent these days.

post #1370 of 1527

Fans...why'd it have to be fans?!

post #1371 of 1527

Gotta admint I watched well over an hour of it and I enjoyed it - I normally cringe at this sort of theing but there were a few off-the-wall and on-the-nose clips that got a good belly-laugh from me. Will probably watch the remainder later - I had fun.

post #1372 of 1527

It probably wasn't intentional, but the scene of the Falcon getting pulled into the Death Star, where the method of reenactment is just to show a guy watching the movie on tv and mouthing along with the dialogue, is actually a kind of terrific statement on the nature of the fandom and this project. If it was intentional, it's a little genius.

 

Also, because I have a sugar heart, I loved it when kids or animals were used.

post #1373 of 1527

Love the clip at 4:28.

post #1374 of 1527

I actually watched the whole thing and found it pretty damn enjoyable.  For all the scenes that don't work (mainly the arch 'wink wink' stuff with Kevin Smith clones), there are many that do (most of the animation and all-children stuff).  

 

I must say:  there sure are a lot of nerd-gals that really looove playing C-3PO for some reason.  

post #1375 of 1527
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This is going to reek of fanboy apologism, but here goes...

 



I totally agree. I have a very low tolerance for fan-made stuff, but I watched an hour and half of it and was pleasantly surprised by how charming it was and that's precisely due to the enthusiasm and affection on display.

post #1376 of 1527

I gotta admit, sweded flicks always put a smile on my face. The few random scenes I watched of this didn't fail there.

post #1377 of 1527

NO GEORGE, NO MORE:

 

 

Jokes aside, apparently Lucas is now claiming that Greedo always short first, and that the scene appeared the way it did in the original cut of Star Wars because of an editing mistake.  o_O

 

http://io9.com/5883949/george-lucas-now-claims-that-greedo-always-shot-first

post #1378 of 1527

I'd have so much more respect for him if he just came out and said, "Look, they're my goddamn movies, and I'll change them however I want.  You don't have to like it, but that's how it is."  But insisting that this was the way it was all along?  That's just so sadly myopic.  He's lost all perspective when it comes to these films and what their legacy is.

 

I really think he must have had some uber-demanding parents or something, because nothing is ever good enough.

post #1379 of 1527

I wish life had an ignore list so that I could put Lucas and half of his fandom on it.

post #1380 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Whiteboy Jones View Post

I wish life had an ignore list so that I could put Lucas and half of his fandom on it.



Here's your ignore button:

 

Businessman_Holding_Gun_To_His_Head_While_Smiling_MON098144.jpg

 

One click is all it takes. biggrin.gif

post #1381 of 1527
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Here's your ignore button:

 

Businessman_Holding_Gun_To_His_Head_While_Smiling_MON098144.jpg

 

One click is all it takes. biggrin.gif



lol

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Originally Posted by Spook View Post

 

Jokes aside, apparently Lucas is now claiming that Greedo always short first, and that the scene appeared the way it did in the original cut of Star Wars because of an editing mistake.  o_O

 

http://io9.com/5883949/george-lucas-now-claims-that-greedo-always-shot-first



He said this before, years ago. Don't know why he's saying it again now unless he's got a current release he needs to promote and oh right he does.

post #1383 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post


 



He said this before, years ago. Don't know why he's saying it again now unless he's got a current release he needs to promote and oh right he does.


Work the controversy!

 

post #1384 of 1527

Georgie's sounding like a six-year-old going "Honestly, the cookie jar fell over and landed with my hand up it!" The 'Han shoots first' thing isn't even something that ever offended me as much as it did a lot of people, and I still don't know why he keeps insisting on saying these things. He's not fooling anyone.


Edited by Workyticket - 2/10/12 at 5:35pm
post #1385 of 1527

 

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He said this before, years ago. Don't know why he's saying it again now unless he's got a current release he needs to promote and oh right he does.


That and/or news outlets have twigged that stoking the fires of fanboy fury is an easy source of hits, and prodding Lucas into saying the same shit he always says is money in the bank.

post #1386 of 1527

I'm just happy Han doesn't look like a cold blooded killer in that scene.  That stupid keyboard had it coming.

post #1387 of 1527

don't know if anyone has already pointed this out, so apologies if someone already has....

 

I have the "Art of Star Wars" book from waaaaaay back and in addition to all the art and designs from the movie it has the script....which I happened to find online.

 

STAR WARS
Episode IV
A NEW HOPE
From the JOURNAL OF THE WHILLS
by George Lucas
Revised Fourth Draft
January 15, 1976
LUCASFILM LTD.

 

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INTERIOR: MOS EISLEY -- CANTINA.

As Han is about to leave, Greedo, a slimy green-faced alien
with a short trunk-nose, pokes a gun in his side. The creature
speaks in a foreign tongue translated into English subtitles.

GREEDO: Going somewhere, Solo?

HAN: Yes, Greedo. As a matter of fact, I was just going to see your
boss. Tell Jabba that I've got his money.

Han sits down and the alien sits across from him holding
the gun on him.

GREEDO: It's too late. You should have paid him when you had the
chance. Jabba's put a price on your head, so large that every bounty
hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you. I'm lucky I found you
first.

HAN: Yeah, but this time I got the money.

GREEDO: If you give it to me, I might forget I found you.

HAN: I don't have it with me. Tell Jabba...

GREEDO: Jabba's through with you. He has no time for smugglers who
drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser.

HAN: Even I get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?

Han Solo slowly reaches for his gun under the table.

GREEDO: You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship.

HAN: Over my dead body.

GREEDO: That's the idea. I've been looking forward to killing you for
a long time.

HAN: Yes, I'll bet you have.

Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of
light. Han pulls his smoking gun from beneath the table as the
other patron look on in bemused amazement. Han gets up and
starts out of the cantina, flipping the bartender some coins
as he leaves.

HAN: Sorry about the mess.

 

there's nothing in there about "Greedo tries to shoot Han but the shot misses and Han returns fire, killing Greedo"

 

.....fuck you George.

 

post #1388 of 1527

 

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HAN: Even I get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?

 

Why is this in a 1976 script?  It was ADR'd in after the Jabba scene was cut.

post #1389 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Spook View Post

I'm just happy Han doesn't look like a cold blooded killer in that scene.  That stupid keyboard had it coming.



Now Han's proclviies about shooting keyboards is spreading across the cosmos....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqEjrulJnyM

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post #1391 of 1527

Click to enlarge:

 

HanSolo.jpg

 

Yeah, Greedo shot first...

post #1392 of 1527
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I'm beyond burned out on Star Wars, but this is pretty damned sweet and nothing I've ever seen before.


Ha, the "moon/space station" bit made me lough out loud unreasonably hard.
post #1393 of 1527
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Ha, the "moon/space station" bit made me lough out loud unreasonably hard.

 

Empire and Jedi.
 

 

post #1394 of 1527

So my mum got my daughter the Tartakovsky CLone Wars DVDs.

 

Watched the first one last night.  Wow.  Never seen the first series before.  And that bit where Anakin picks up the wannabe-Siths blade, so slooowly, is red lit, and then flashes to him imagining smacking down Obi-Wan and Yoda while raining down on her, man, that's a thousand times better than the sandpeople massacre in AotC in terms of showing his anger and presaging his turn.

post #1395 of 1527

Every frame of footage I've seen from either Clone Wars cartoon only further cements the notion that George REALLY should have hired "real" screenwriters to help hone his vision for the prequels.

post #1396 of 1527

Billy Dee Williams is at The Steel City Comic Con today. If I wasn't working I'd go.

post #1397 of 1527

Darth Maul Returns Trailer

 

Echo the love for the Clone Wars series. Especially liked the Assaj Ventress episodes last year where she turns against Dooku. They did a good job in humanizing her character here.

post #1398 of 1527

OK, that looks pretty cool. Love what you get of Maul's voice actor. I think I need to catch up with this series again.

post #1399 of 1527

Ralph McQuarrie....dead.

post #1400 of 1527

That's not Peter Serafinowicz!

 

Edit: Oh, it's this guy lame.

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