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post #3101 of 4308
I had an NES game called Metalstorm. It was bananas. You could reverse the gravity of your character and shit.

Hard as a pine knot though. As any self respecting NES game should be.

Pretty sure it wasn't based on that movie..
post #3102 of 4308
Holy balls it's Starkiller Base!!

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It all comes together!
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A 7-year-old sees Empire Strikes Back for the first time.

 

It's a fun read, but it makes me sad that this kid experienced the Special Edition as his first go-round. I just resolved to make sure that my oldest friends' kids all see my theatrical copies when they're ready to see the movies for the first time.

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Holy balls it's Starkiller Base!!

if the next movie somehow has Finn jump into a mech full of split screens and freeze frames...

 

I will forgive forwakens

 

oh wait, that's my hope for pacific rim 2...

post #3106 of 4308

Having kids since Episode 3 has completely changed my outlook on Star Wars and future Star Wars. Right now, I really like Star Wars, again, but it's for completely different reasons. Seeing the movies with kids is like watching it in a completely new light. Also, watching TFA with my kids and their friends was a BIG awakening. Watching a little girl light up when seeing Rey on the screen was worth every bit of Starkiller base, desert planets, and droids that are on the run with hidden plans all over, again.

 

Yeah, I hope the sequels diverge completely from the OT path, but I'm not mad or upset with TFA, at all. It's all about me telling my 6 and 11 year old how much cooler I think Biker Scouts are than Flametroopers, while they look at me like I"m crazy.

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It's a fun read, but it makes me sad that this kid experienced the Special Edition as his first go-round. I just resolved to make sure that my oldest friends' kids all see my theatrical copies when they're ready to see the movies for the first time.

 
 

I was born in 1989, and saw the originals on VHS cassettes that my mum rescued from her family's video rental store when I was 5 or 6. I was 8 when the special editions came out, and then got them on VHS to replace the old tapes. I'm old enough to have seen and loved the untouched originals, but I'm more used to the special editions (with the exception of Ian McDiarmid's appearance in Empire, which only appeared in 2004). As a kid I was cognizant enough of the changes to like them or to not notice them, but, being a kid none of it bothered me.

 

My point is, the special editions don't do anything detrimental to the films (bar said Greedo scene and 'Jedi Rocks', which I think is more jarring) beyond the fact of their being altered - if you're a kid, your potential love of Star Wars isn't going to be remotely undermined because the first version you see is a 1997 or beyond version. 

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I was born in 1989, and saw the originals on VHS cassettes that my mum rescued from her family's video rental store when I was 5 or 6. I was 8 when the special editions came out, and then got them on VHS to replace the old tapes. I'm old enough to have seen and loved the untouched originals, but I'm more used to the special editions (with the exception of Ian McDiarmid's appearance in Empire, which only appeared in 2004). As a kid I was cognizant enough of the changes to like them or to not notice them, but, being a kid none of it bothered me.

 

My point is, the special editions don't do anything detrimental to the films (bar said Greedo scene and 'Jedi Rocks', which I think is more jarring) beyond the fact of their being altered - if you're a kid, your potential love of Star Wars isn't going to be remotely undermined because the first version you see is a 1997 or beyond version. 

I agree, and I don't want to add to your reputation cause the number is funny.

post #3109 of 4308

I disagree. Young kids are going to see Han being watered down, Ghost Hayden Christensen, CGI that somehow dates the movies even more than the original special effects, Boba Fett's awesome raspy voice being replaced with Temuera Morrison, and Darth Vader's "Noooooo!" in Return of the Jedi.

 

There's magic in those original, theatrical versions that is lost in many places in the special editions. Some of the legitimacy, charm and heart of those movies is replaced with a weird plastic surgery face-lift.

 

Be a responsible parent. Talk to your kids about the special editions, and help them make the healthy choice.

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Special Editions side effects include irritability, trouble breathing and possible childhood rapeage. Please consult your doctor if you have worsening depression and combine usage with alcohol.
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Be a responsible parent. Talk to your kids about the special editions, and help them make the healthy choice.

 
 
See, I think holding the special editions and prequels back from kids is just trying to foist views on them - show them IV, V, VI (in the best quality you can, whether that's the blu-rays or some fancy 1977 thing) and if they like them show them I, II, and III. Don't tell them you like them less, or that they don't count, or whatever, just let them make up their own minds.  
 
As someone who loved the originals as a very young kid, loved The Phantom Menace as a 10 year old, and who found a great deal to love in Sith, I'm telling you, chances are they will like the films you don't. Kids don't have any of the nostalgic hang ups yet. 
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Users of Special Editions have reported feelings of memory loss and dissociation. If you have said "gee, I always thought Han just up and shot that one guy", administer Original Edition immediately. If problem persists, consult The Doctor.

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Users of Special Editions have reported feelings of memory loss and dissociation. If you have said "gee, I always thought Han just up and shot that one guy", administer Original Edition immediately. If problem persists, consult The Doctor.

 

10-15 years from now, people will be suing Lucasfilm for brain damage, akin to NFL players filing law suits against the league.

post #3114 of 4308
Note: I'm not trying to argue that any of these changes are for the better, I'm just arguing that they won't cause any kid's impression of the films to suffer. 
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Young kids are going to see Han being watered down, 

 

They won't know differently; and for kids, the particular detail of Han shooting Greedo unprompted doesn't make a massive impression - it's Han's behaviour throughout the whole thing that does. 

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Ghost Hayden Christensen

 

They won't know any differently though, and if they've seen the prequels, will appreciate the continuity. 


 

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CGI that somehow dates the movies even more than the original special effects,

 

 

Some of the 1997 CGI hasn't aged - it was godawful (Jabba, Jabba's band, the beast of burden in Mos Eisley) to begin with. However, there are plenty of added effects shots - TIE fighters, Dewbacks, the sandcrawler, the X-wings, Cloud City vistas - which were well judged and look absolutely fine. They stick out to people who are familiar with the originals - to whom they're CGI effects in a classic film - but they won't stick out to kids who aren't familiar with the originals - they're 20 year old effects in an old film. 


 

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Boba Fett's awesome raspy voice being replaced with Temuera Morrison

 

 

I love the original Boba Fett voice - it's coldness and not-give-a-shitness, particularly in the context of him talking to Vader, really suggests a sense of depth and intrigue. But again, if kids don't know different, Morrison's voice is totally servicable.

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and Darth Vader's "Noooooo!" i

 

 

Again, the scene is better without it, but the scene doesn't fail because of it, and the most important aspects of it are retained.  


Edited by RexBanner - 10/28/16 at 11:38am
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They won't know any differently though, and if they've seen the prequels, will appreciate the continuity.

 

These are both terrible things!

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Young kids are going to see Han being watered down ...

Sure, but if they watch The Force Awakens they're going to see far, FAR worse things done to wreck that character.
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See, I think holding the special editions and prequels back from kids is just trying to foist views on them - show them IV, V, VI (in the best quality you can, whether that's the blu-rays or some fancy 1977 thing) and if they like them show them I, II, and III. Don't tell them you like them less, or that they don't count, or whatever, just let them make up their own minds.  
 
As someone who loved the originals as a very young kid, loved The Phantom Menace as a 10 year old, and who found a great deal to love in Sith, I'm telling you, chances are they will like the films you don't. Kids don't have any of the nostalgic hang ups yet. 

The truth is that for those outside of Star Wars fandom, the changes are really just trivial. They may mean a lot to us, but they're relatively inconsequential because newcomers are not focusing on the minutia in the way we do. What does confuse them is not the changes but the order of the film. I'm introducing my friend to Star Wars as she never got into it and had to explain why we were starting with the original version instead of Phantom Menace. I've seen this confusion a lot on social media, like someone posting about watching the 1977 "even though I don't understand why I'm watching 4 first and not 1". That's a bigger issue than blinking Ewoks it seems.
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The truth is that for those outside of Star Wars fandom, the changes are really just trivial. They may mean a lot to us, but they're relatively inconsequential because newcomers are not focusing on the minutia in the way we do. What does confuse them is not the changes but the order of the film. I'm introducing my friend to Star Wars as she never got into it and had to explain why we were starting with the original version instead of Phantom Menace. I've seen this confusion a lot on social media, like someone posting about watching the 1977 "even though I don't understand why I'm watching 4 first and not 1". That's a bigger issue than blinking Ewoks it seems.


I remember reading somewhere that a fair number of folks have found the "preferred viewing order" for the older films to be:  IV, V, I, II, III, VI.

 

You get introduced to Vader and get the Anakin bombshell, and then watch the very extended origin story of Vader, before the resolution.  Basically the prequels become a giant flashback.

 

But yeah...younger folks generally like the Prequels and Special Editions just fine.

post #3119 of 4308

My mental gymnastics include, yeah, watching Star Wars and then Empire, then viewing the prequels as R2's memory banks (damaged by wear and tear), then Jedi.

post #3120 of 4308
My mental gymnastics include watching 4,5,6 and 7 and forgetting the rest. So not really too difficult as far as gymnastics go. More like a mental sidestep..
post #3121 of 4308

My gymnastics routine is similar to Fraid's...only I imagine the prequels as an epic and tragic human downfall for the noble Arthurian version of Anakin that exists in my head. Way less Gungans, trade blockades, goofy kids, bad villains and Hayden Christensen bitching about sand in my version. You'd like it! 

post #3122 of 4308
I think I could tolerate 4,5,3,6 then 7. But even that's too much prequel nowadays.

I just want those un-special edintioned originals. I suppose I'll be waiting forever..
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My gymnastics routine is similar to Fraid's...only I imagine the prequels as an epic and tragic human downfall for the noble Arthurian version of Anakin that exists in my head. Way less Gungans, trade blockades, goofy kids, bad villains and Hayden Christensen bitching about sand in my version. You'd like it! 


 



Everybody always likes the movie in their head better. That was one of the biggest things working against the Prequels to begin with. Not saying they're deserving of great praise or misunderstood masterpieces or anything, just that there really was a high bar to clear in regards to expectations.

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I think I could tolerate 4,5,3,6 then 7. But even that's too much prequel nowadays.



I just want those un-special edintioned originals. I suppose I'll be waiting forever..

 



I dunno about forever. I don't mean to be morbid (or tempt 2016 to "finish strong"), but I wouldn't be surprised if the theatrical cuts reappear a year or so after George Lucas passes on.
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I remember reading somewhere that a fair number of folks have found the "preferred viewing order" for the older films to be:  IV, V, I, II, III, VI.

You get introduced to Vader and get the Anakin bombshell, and then watch the very extended origin story of Vader, before the resolution.  Basically the prequels become a giant flashback.

But yeah...younger folks generally like the Prequels and Special Editions just fine.

From what I understand Lucas originally thought of filming in that order when making Empire, which was why "Episode V" was put in the crawl to set up the idea of going back to Anakin's story before seeing its resolution in VI, but ultimately abandoned that to just do VI and then leave the franchise indefinitely until Jurassic Park rekindled his desire to do the prequels.
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I remember the plan always being 4-5-6-1-2-3-7-8-9 until Lucas got burned out and just did Jedi and called it a day.

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Thread Starter 
So I finally saw the new ending of Return of the Jedi with the added Nooos. Not the end of the world.
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I remember the plan always being 4-5-6-1-2-3-7-8-9 until Lucas got burned out and just did Jedi and called it a day.


Yup, that was the plan. Hamill has said on multiple occasions that Lucas told him he would wait to do the ST until Hamill was Guinness' age.

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The Bucho Order goes:

IV
V
VI
The first 20 minutes and the last 3 minutes of The Force Awakens
IV
IV
Caravan of Courage
IV
post #3129 of 4308

So LucasFilm trademarked the term "Droid" and gets a big check from Verizon sos they can use the word.

 

https://priceonomics.com/lucasfilm-owns-all-of-your-droids/

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So, some details about the new Star Wars area at Disneyland have come to light (not when it's opening, which I was hoping to find out before I renewed season's passes). 

 

The new rides, one of which is a combination vehicle and walking combat experience against the First Order, the other one you pilot the M. Falcon, similarly to Star Tours, have a capacity of 1500 per hour.  That's 20-25% less than the Hot Springs Cars ride.  The ride that has a 2+ hour wait on SLOW days.

 

This is a mind-boggling decision.  We are going to see 3-5 hour waits for these rides on busy days.

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So, some details about the new Star Wars area at Disneyland have come to light (not when it's opening, which I was hoping to find out before I renewed season's passes). 

 

The new rides, one of which is a combination vehicle and walking combat experience against the First Order, the other one you pilot the M. Falcon, similarly to Star Tours, have a capacity of 1500 per hour.  That's 20-25% less than the Hot Springs Cars ride.  The ride that has a 2+ hour wait on SLOW days.

 

This is a mind-boggling decision.  We are going to see 3-5 hour waits for these rides on busy days.


Clearly they wanna push those fastpasses.

post #3132 of 4308
Whatever keeps people from clogging up the queue to my beloved Indiana Jones ride.
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Whatever keeps people from clogging up the queue to my beloved Indiana Jones ride.

I am so sick of that ride breaking down.  I love that whole area, but it breaks my son's heart that it's closed about half the time we visit.

 

In other news, he's eight: he's at 115 visits on his annual pass.  Those don't count visits before the age of 3.

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I go to Disneyland maybe once a year. Maybe. You annual passholders are the reason why the lines are so long, you fiends!
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I go to Disneyland maybe once a year. Maybe. You annual passholders are the reason why the lines are so long, you fiends!

 

You are absolutely right.  I am kind of flabbergasted.  I'm at 122 and daughter is at 84.   I certainly don't recall going to Disneyland 122 TIMES!!! in the last eight years, but apparently, that happened.  

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Damn annual passholders!
post #3137 of 4308
Christ....I barely found enough to do to warrant the one visit that I made there. I'm sure I'd have more to do if I had little kids though. I think I was a bit passed the target age when I finally got to go..
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Damn annual passholders!

 

I am completely shocked at what I am looking at.  122 times!  Fucking hell, I see Disneyland more than most members of my family, apparently.

 

**Out of curiosity, I pulled up my old pass (I ended up getting an entirely new one after a brief hiatus).  141 visits between 2007 to the present between the two. 

post #3139 of 4308
"Hmm, why is this line six hours long? Could it be the 10,000 people ahead of me who've ridden this ride about a quintillion times in the past twelve months?"
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"Hmm, why is this line six hours long? Could it be the 10,000 people ahead of me who've ridden this ride about a quintillion times in the past twelve months?"

 

I'm going to be part of the solution.  I'm cancelling.

 

Until Stars Wars Land opens.  

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Whatever keeps people from clogging up the queue to my beloved Indiana Jones ride.

 

I can't begin to tell you how much it pisses me off that they won't build a copy of Indy here because they say they already have Dinosaur and it's basically the same ride.  Didn't stop you from slapping a cheap-ass Aladdin themed clone of Dumbo down in the same freakin' park.

 

The first time I rode the Indy ride last year remains one of my favorite theme park experiences ever.  I was giggling like a kid the whole time.

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I can't begin to tell you how much it pisses me off that they won't build a copy of Indy here because they say they already have Dinosaur and it's basically the same ride.  Didn't stop you from slapping a cheap-ass Aladdin themed clone of Dumbo down in the same freakin' park.

 

The first time I rode the Indy ride last year remains one of my favorite theme park experiences ever.  I was giggling like a kid the whole time.

It's really fantastic. When operating, the highlight of the trip.  The line itself is an experience between the jungle/temple entrance, the cool tunnels, and the movie-level type production value of the props.  Between my 141 visits, I'd say I must have ridden Indy at least 100-150 times.  My kids and I always have a great experience.

 

I'm so happy that they built it right here 20 minutes from where I live, instead of in Orlando. 

post #3143 of 4308
I've been on both the Indy and Dinosaur rides; I remember when Dinosaur was originally called Countdown to Extinction. Yeah, the ride system is the same, but the experience is wildly different.

The Dinosaur ride used to be scarier, too. They diminished the presence of the Carnotaur, much to my chagrin.
post #3144 of 4308
I went to Disney World when I was seven. Great time, lots of memories.

Y'all who go a lot are a mystery to me. I have a FB friend who goes twice a month and honestly, to an outsider, his knowledge of the park and the staff lingo is creepy as hell.
post #3145 of 4308
I went when I was 27. I was with my twin cousins who were in their late teens at the time. It was cool to set it I guess but we left after a few hours and went and saw The Dark Knight in IMAX. I think we had a better time doing that. That was the first time I saw a movie in IMAX so that was awesome.

The Disney water parks are a lot of fun though. Especially when you're drunk as shit..
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Ugh, water parks. All the rides are just elaborate urinals.
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The Dinosaur ride used to be scarier, too. They diminished the presence of the Carnotaur, much to my chagrin.

 

Yeah, huge chunks of the ride now take place in pretty much pitch darkness.  It's weak as hell.

 

My main regret is that the timing of our visits to Disneyland -- we go out for the Star Wars-themed race weekend in mid-January -- means I have yet to see its version of the Haunted Mansion, since it's always closed then to switch back from the Nightmare Before Christmas overlay.

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I don't like amusement parks. The costumes, the manufactured fun, the plastic-y-ness of it all creeps me out. Which is weird because I love movies so much, and that's all fake too.

 

But something about being around a bunch of building facades, people wandering around in costumes and having this pre-generated brand-named experience just isn't for me.

 

I'm sure as shit going to Star Wars Land, though.

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Ugh, water parks. All the rides are just elaborate urinals.
They swam in my pee too so I feel I got even..
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Star Tours really got a shot in the arm when they revamped it with the randomized show scenes a few years ago.  And the Force Awakens stuff they added last year was top notch as well.

 

And let me tell you, the Hyperspace Mountain overlay they did at Disneyland was spectacular.  Made it feel like a brand new ride.

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