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post #3451 of 4178
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
 

 

 - while it goes without saying that the prequels aren't as good as the originals, the hate they get is overblown, and the fact that people are still so angry about them  is ludicrously disproportionate to what they are. 

 

Nah. I'd like to dispel the myth that refusing to forgive and forget is necessarily unhealthy, and is an extreme viewpoint which is solely the province of people who can't express themselves while frothing at the mouth.  

 

Some of us maintain the position quietly and without putting a dent in our day to day lives.

post #3452 of 4178
Right. I don't reflect daily on how bad the prequels are (including ROTS which, in more than one respect is more offensive than the other two), and at the same time, I simply don't accept them. Hayden Christensen is not my Anakin Skywalker. I reject that whole notion of Darth Vader.
post #3453 of 4178
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Right. I don't reflect daily on how bad the prequels are (including ROTS which, in more than one respect is more offensive than the other two), and at the same time, I simply don't accept them. Hayden Christensen is not my Anakin Skywalker. I reject that whole notion of Darth Vader.

 

Yup yup yup.

post #3454 of 4178

I like to think my Anakin is sort of a Mal Reynolds type character.  Somebody who was noble and cool but you could also see how that righteous streak could be tipped out of him by life.  

post #3455 of 4178

I don't see how anyone can watch the movies and accept that Prequel Anakin is the guy inside Vader's suit.

post #3456 of 4178
That's George's ultimate failing. I think we can all bitch about all the bloody details that didn't work, but the payoff of Anakin Skywalker was money down the drain. He's childish, unlikable, and not identifiable.

When he turns, we just can't care.
post #3457 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 View Post
I think Lucas created the environment for him not to be so collaborative. Watch Spielberg on any behind the scene meeting and you'll find how everyone is talking ideas together. But then Lucas is surrounded by quiet and marking things he likes as they watch in anticipation. This isn't collaborative at all.

 

The BTS stuff on TPM's disc really supports this. Even with creature design....the SOP seemed to be the designers come up with a whole mess of designs, George comes around, tells what bits of each design he likes, and then expects them to create the result. There was no discussion, no debate, no dialogue. From what I can tell, that was pretty much the way all the prequels operated. Lucas did not invite or encourage debate, discussion, or true collaboration. Having Rick McCallum follow him around saying "Great idea, George!" to everything he did also wasn't helpful.

 

This famously extends to his actors, too. Lucas seemed to absolutely hate giving any kind of meaningful direction, and dealing with humans and their acted out emotions seemed especially offputting for him.

post #3458 of 4178
I think Lucas unconsciously gave himself a hand in the OT. By starting with a bunch of young charismatics and old-school British character actors (ie people who could get away with ignoring his non-existent dialogue direction) he did himself a favour. Not coincidentally, aping this approach is what gives Ep 7 its moments of charm.
post #3459 of 4178

Look at the moons!

 

post #3460 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

Look at the moons!

 

 

How many versions of that final scene in ROTS did they shoot?  

 

I know of the one they shot during AOTC which had Own Lars receiving Luke instead of Aunt Buru and it was during the day. Then, I guess, they reshot it with the plate shots for night according to this. And then changed again for dusk. 

post #3461 of 4178
From what I understood, all they shot for SITH during the production of CLONES was just the surroundings of the desert set, so that they could later green screen the actors in during production of SITH.
post #3462 of 4178
My brain memories has bts photos archived. I'm not so sure.
post #3463 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

I think Lucas unconsciously gave himself a hand in the OT. By starting with a bunch of young charismatics and old-school British character actors (ie people who could get away with ignoring his non-existent dialogue direction) he did himself a favour. Not coincidentally, aping this approach is what gives Ep 7 its moments of charm.

 

Press materials of the time indicate that the casting was conscious and strategic, balancing out the unknown leads with old pros. And the casting of the leads is legendary-- they were so concerned about chemistry that if it hadn't been Hamill, Fisher and Ford it would have been a completely different group.

post #3464 of 4178

Another update. Kind of slowed down on it. Hair is so freaking meticulous that it drives me insane. 

 

post #3465 of 4178

is he giving himself a thumbs up???

 

 

heheheh, looking good!

post #3466 of 4178

He should... that nerf herder! 

post #3467 of 4178

Just read the fourth and final volume of Marvel's Darth Vader comic and it's so damn good. In a pivotal will power/dream sequence, Vader finds himself back in that duel on Mustafar and things go a little differently. It, along with Vader's visit to a Tusken Raider village, retroactively make the prequels better.

 

This series was so good, and I love the tight continuity with Jason Aaron's Star Wars comic. It's cool, too, that Marvel isn't intending these series to last forever and cuts them off after a respectable run, only to continue in another way. Kieron Gillen picking up with Doctor Aphra where he left off with Vader is very exciting. 

post #3468 of 4178

So the final fate of Jar Jar Binks in the new canon universe has been revealed, in the final Aftermath book Empire's End:

 

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He's broke and living alone on Naboo, shunned by his fellow Gungans and the Naboo for having helped create the Empire. He gets by through working as a clown at orphanages for war orphans and refugee kids, and as a street performer as well. The sequence does apparently give a shout-out to the "Darth Jar Jar" thing as he starts teaching one of the war orphans how to be a clown.
post #3469 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post

So the final fate of Jar Jar Binks in the new canon universe has been revealed, in the final Aftermath book Empire's End:
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He's broke and living alone on Naboo, shunned by his fellow Gungans and the Naboo for having helped create the Empire. He gets by through working as a clown at orphanages for war orphans and refugee kids. The sequence does apparently give a shout-out to the "Darth Jar Jar" thing as he starts teaching one of the war orphans how to be a clown.
No fucking way
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post #3471 of 4178
That's kind of cruel. I know so many fans hated him, but I would have just left that alone and moved on. If not, actually make something worthwhile of the character. No need to shit on a failed character by Lucas.

The Ferengi in TNG were a disaster, but DS9 was able to make them endearing via Quark.
post #3472 of 4178
I actually really hate that.
post #3473 of 4178
Yeah. I hate it, too.
post #3474 of 4178

It's entirely unnecessary and spiteful.

post #3475 of 4178
Jesus, you guys are a joyless bunch. This is hilarious.
post #3476 of 4178

We're talking about Jar Jar in the I Still Like Star Wars Thread. Does anything make sense anymore?

post #3477 of 4178
I love JAJA
post #3478 of 4178
Jar Jar represents a turning point in the Star Wars saga, when the movies went from being made for hunky good-looking men and started being made for doofuses and babies.
post #3479 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Jesus, you guys are a joyless bunch. This is hilarious.

 

Look, I fucking hate Jar Jar. But to dig the character up -- after, what, over a decade? -- just to give the character one last sad, depressing footnote in a book that's to be considered as canon seems like an act of petty nerd revenge against something that didn't really need revenging.

 

It's the opposite end of the same spectrum that brought Darth Maul back to life because people couldn't just let it go.

post #3480 of 4178
Without petty nerd revenge, I am nothing.
post #3481 of 4178
JAJA's the key to all this
post #3482 of 4178
i will concede that Lucas's intention to have a fully CG supporting character was at the time revolutionary. But goddamn, he picked a helluva character to try to make history with.
post #3483 of 4178
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Look, I fucking hate Jar Jar. But to dig the character up -- after, what, over a decade? -- just to give the character one last sad, depressing footnote in a book that's to be considered as canon seems like an act of petty nerd revenge against something that didn't really need revenging.

It's the opposite end of the same spectrum that brought Darth Maul back to life because people couldn't just let it go.
Preach.
post #3484 of 4178
Bringing Darth Maul back was dumb. He's dead.
post #3485 of 4178
Disney has been pretty good with trying to compliment the prequel era from a distance rather than disavow it like many angry nerds out there hope for*. This is the first time I've heard of something like this happening since Disney bought it, and that's too bad.

* = Though many have read "this will begin to make things right" as intentionally dissing the prequels. Whatevs.
post #3486 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

Disney has been pretty good with trying to compliment the prequel era from a distance rather than disavow it like many angry nerds out there hope for*. This is the first time I've heard of something like this happening since Disney bought it, and that's too bad.

* = Though many have read "this will begin to make things right" as intentionally dissing the prequels. Whatevs.


Yeah, in general Disney's been fairly respectful towards the prequel era (I mean, Rogue One alone has Mustafar and Bail Organa, plus Saw from TCW; Rebels is far more connected to the TCW series than it is to any other part of the saga, and a number of TCW characters have popped up elsewhere as well).

post #3487 of 4178
Psh. I clicked on that link expecting to find out that Jar Jar died some unnecessarily gruesome and violent death or something. I didn't even hate the character that much, but given how much he is hated, that would've been pretty funny.

What's described there sounds very mild and actually pretty believable for such a hapless comic relief character. I don't see the problem.
post #3488 of 4178
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

JAJA's the key to all this

 

He was. Obliviousness and good intentions were pretty much to blame for enabling Palpatine. And the prequels themselves.

 

Meta.

post #3489 of 4178
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Originally Posted by jhp1608 View Post
 

 

He was. Obliviousness and good intentions were pretty much to blame for enabling Palpatine. And the prequels themselves.

 

Meta.

 

Stop making it sound smart!!!

post #3490 of 4178

CarnCarn's the key to all this

post #3491 of 4178

If you can figure me out, you can figure out the streets. 

post #3492 of 4178

Yub Nub is the key to love.

post #3493 of 4178
I never knew that Darth Maul was brought back in any capacity. I mean, I think the character is cool as hell but, I'm also perfectly content with letting that bisected plunge down that pit after the duel close the book on him. It's like Ledger's Joker. People seem to want more but, maybe we got just enough and don't know it (or some won't accept it)..
post #3494 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

I never knew that Darth Maul was brought back in any capacity. I mean, I think the character is cool as hell but, I'm also perfectly being content with letting that bisected plunge down that pit after the duel close the book on him. It's like Ledger's Joker. People seem to want more but, maybe we got just enough and don't know it (or some won't except it)..
Maul is a significant character in CLONE WARS and REBELS.

He should have stayed dead. I say that as a fan of those shows.
post #3495 of 4178
I was convinced before actually viewing ROTS that General Grievous was Darth Maul. The color of his eyes. Proficiency with lightsabers. Foreshadowing of Vader. It seemed to add up. I'm sort of indifferent to the fact that it didn't turn out that way. I just find it kind of odd that they would've created a character like that and have him be someone totally new. But I kinda like Grievous as well so, whatevs. I like what a shit ass he was. No nobility whatsoever. Just a scum bag. A Snidely Whiplash..
post #3496 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post


Maul is a significant character in CLONE WARS and REBELS.

He should have stayed dead. I say that as a fan of those shows.


The only time I've liked his appearance in any of these was the first time he showed up on Rebels pulling a Dark Side take on Yoda's "crazy old man pre-reveal" shtick. That was fun.


Otherwise, I hope they finish him off for good this season.

post #3497 of 4178
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 View Post

If you can figure me out, you can figure out the streets. 

You ought to start a thread here inviting everyone to do just that. It's all the rage these days.
post #3498 of 4178

 

IT'S FINISHED!

post #3499 of 4178
Pretty good Padme and Kylo!
post #3500 of 4178

All right! So, the final book of the Aftermath trilogy, Empire's End is out, and after all the big speculation that the Big Bad of the trilogy, Gallius Rax, would be Snoke, it turns out...

 

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He's not Snoke. Duh-doy. Instead, he's the engineer of Palpatine's final strike - to lure the Republic into some grand final battle where it appears the Empire has been destroyed (and those weak Imperials who failed Palpatine die in the process), and then to lead the Empire into the Unknown Regions where it can rebuild in secret - though he dies before he can carry out that latter part.

However, it's fairly clear who Snoke is at this point. The book makes clear that Palpatine had sensed some strange Dark Side power in the Unknown Regions and was becoming obsessed with it - there's an Imperial Observatory on Jakku which deduces the best coordinates to enter the Unknown Regions (which are far wilder and more dangerous than they ever were in the old EU), he kept Thrawn around because of Thrawn's expertise with the Unknown Regions (though Thrawn does not appear in this book). Leia also seems to sense a bizarre dark side presence in her dreams while she's pregnant with li'l Ben (though she's not really certain whether it's real or if she was just dreaming it). And finally, there's discussion of "those who came before" still living in the Unknown Regions, and the surviving Imperials from the Battle of Jakku (including Rae Sloane - the initial head of the First Order; Brendol Hux, and his Hitler Youth son Armitage aka hambone Domhnall Gleeson) are searching for them.

They're pretty clearly laying the groundwork for Snoke as an "Ancient Dark Side evil" of some kind. Possibly he's a Whill. Also, the Unknown Regions as described are pretty weird by SW standards - strange outerspace monsters, black holes and supernovas and all sorts of space oddities - so it seems fairly likely those will be a location in IX, if not VIII and IX.
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Also, the mysterious Acolytes of the Beyond who have been appearing as Vader-worshippers and Sith artifact-hunters in the first two books seem like they're being fairly strongly set up as the Knights of Ren (though their POV character in this book is not a Force-wielder).

And Luke Skywalker's activities post-ROTJ are still being kept mysterious, but if the rumor about a new SW animated series next year are true, I can definitely see that being the subject. Which is great - Rebels has kinda become consumed with ending plot points from TCW, and the series needs to move more strongly into the post-ROTJ era, I think.
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