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post #951 of 1634
9/19/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Definitely a couple of runts in that shot. Another bit of Stormtrooper behavior I missed in all post-STAR WARS sequels/prequels was the average guy chat heard between those two troopers on the Death Star, bitching about this being another drill and talking about "that new VT-16" / "Yeah, some of the guys were telling me about it."

I'm relieved Lucas hasn't gone back to have Temuera Morrison dub over all the Stormtrooper dialogue in the Original Trilogy. Maybe he'll do it for next year's Blu-ray set, which wouldn't be as bad as some of the other new changes I hear he's making.
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post #952 of 1634
9/19/10 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I don't know, the stormtroopers all being clones seems like a bit of a cop-out to me. It removes the much more interesting and morally ambiguous idea that there are real human beings who, whether because they support it or because they have no choice, fight for the Empire. Having them all be clones turns them from real human antagonists into video game fodder.
I think by Episode 4 they are supposed to be conscripts. If the games are taken into account, Kyle Katarn was an ex-storm trooper. Not only does it create a moral ambiguity, it also enforces the Emperor's human superiority edict that the movies imply and the expanded universe trumpets.
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post #953 of 1634
9/19/10 at 1:02pm
Solo served in the Empire as well.

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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
I'm relieved Lucas hasn't gone back to have Temuera Morrison dub over all the Stormtrooper dialogue in the Original Trilogy. Maybe he'll do it for next year's Blu-ray set, which wouldn't be as bad as some of the other new changes I hear he's making.
I shudder to ask this, but "Like what?"
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post #954 of 1634
9/19/10 at 1:02pm
The official canon is that they stopped cloning sometime soon after the Clone Wars, after cloning a couple of other people. The majority of storm troopers in the OT are apparently recruits. Luke even speaks about going to the academy in ANH, and I believe Han was some kind of high ranking pilot before rescuing Chewbacca. If the Battle Front games count as canon Vader's elite 501sts are all clones.
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post #955 of 1634
9/19/10 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I don't know, the stormtroopers all being clones seems like a bit of a cop-out to me. It removes the much more interesting and morally ambiguous idea that there are real human beings who, whether because they support it or because they have no choice, fight for the Empire. Having them all be clones turns them from real human antagonists into video game fodder.
Absolutely. Them being clones is pure Turd Side of the Force.

"Troopers" is a better Star Wars movie than anything from Lucas since the original trilogy, because it feels like a real universe, despite being played for comedy.
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post #956 of 1634
9/19/10 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I shudder to ask this, but "Like what?"
I'm right there with you. I'm curious now..

So... Guess I should start watching the Clone Wars...
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post #957 of 1634
9/19/10 at 1:36pm
Because I got the info from a friend who's working on them, I'm sworn to secrecy. I just hope it doesn't happen. And there's still a chance it may not. How's that for vague?
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post #958 of 1634
9/19/10 at 2:04pm
Lucas needs to take creepy as fuck Christensen out of ROTJ and put back in the compassionate Sebastian Shaw.
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post #959 of 1634
9/19/10 at 2:56pm
Anyone looking to start Clone Wars needs to be aware that the 'movie' and first three or four episodes are really quite bland, but starting with 'Rookies' things steadily get better. Some of the Paul Dini's episodes really make the first season.
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post #960 of 1634
9/19/10 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Nardo View Post
"Troopers" is a better Star Wars movie than anything from Lucas since the original trilogy, because it feels like a real universe, despite being played for comedy.
You mean Troops, yes?
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post #961 of 1634
9/19/10 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
Because I got the info from a friend who's working on them, I'm sworn to secrecy. I just hope it doesn't happen. And there's still a chance it may not. How's that for vague?
If they finally put a radar dish on the practical Falcon in Docking Bay 94, I'll be happy. Not satisfied, but happy.
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post #962 of 1634
9/19/10 at 3:49pm
I would guess they might try and continue to clean up the Han/Jabba scene in the dockingbay.
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post #963 of 1634
9/19/10 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
Because I got the info from a friend who's working on them, I'm sworn to secrecy. I just hope it doesn't happen. And there's still a chance it may not. How's that for vague?
How about a bit of a tast? You know, so we can get our blood boiling.
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post #964 of 1634
9/19/10 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by TaylorF View Post
I would guess they might try and continue to clean up the Han/Jabba scene in the dockingbay.
Their first solution is still the best.
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post #965 of 1634
9/19/10 at 3:55pm
Hey, I have a "friend who's working on them" too. He says that there will be an all new song and dance sequence in EMPIRE between Boba Fett and a Wampa which sounds really awesome. Also, all the cut footage of Jar Jar from SITH will be re-inserted, making it the first three hour SW movie.
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post #966 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:02pm
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about but has anyone watched this shit from 1997 recently?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCg0rGfH-w&NR=1

I know it was significantly improved later for the DVD release but I can't believe this first version was approved for release, even back then.
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post #967 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:09pm
That is what I'm talking about. They did some work for the dvd's but it still needs work.
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post #968 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Gabe Powers View Post
Anyone looking to start Clone Wars needs to be aware that the 'movie' and first three or four episodes are really quite bland, but starting with 'Rookies' things steadily get better. Some of the Paul Dini's episodes really make the first season.
Aw, hell, Dini wrote a couple episodes? Now I have to start watching again.

It can take a fucking backseat until I'm done with Lost and Mad Men, though.
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post #969 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I don't know, the stormtroopers all being clones seems like a bit of a cop-out to me. It removes the much more interesting and morally ambiguous idea that there are real human beings who, whether because they support it or because they have no choice, fight for the Empire. Having them all be clones turns them from real human antagonists into video game fodder.
I far prefered thinking of stormtroopers as real dudes too. I like the idea that the Empire isn't the simple evil of the forces of Mordor, it's the complicated evil of the Nazis, or maybe the Roman and British Empires. At the top there's some pure evil going on but the further you get down the chain of command many of them are just blokes following orders and making a living by serving in the armed forces. Obviously they're not a battalion of angels, but they're not mindless automatons or robots.

I remember a Star Wars comic from long, long ago (must have been mid-80s) which followed a guy who became a stormtrooper, from his life as a street rat to serving in the Empire to leaving and joining the rebellion. I don't know if the things that happened in those comics were ever supposed to be canon but I thought it was a great idea.

I didn't have many of them but the ones I had I loved. My favourite told the story of what happened to Wedge after he was shot down on Hoth, left behind as the rebels evacuated and forced to survive first the climate and the beasts, then the scavengers (a bunch of space pirate-like dudes) who landed to pick over and salvage from the broken machinery of the war.
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post #970 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:35pm
The only thing that would improve the Jabba scene is its removal. It's a waste of screen time. Either that, or trim the Greedo scene so they're not saying exactly the same things twice.
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post #971 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about but has anyone watched this shit from 1997 recently?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCg0rGfH-w&NR=1

I know it was significantly improved later for the DVD release but I can't believe this first version was approved for release, even back then.
I don't care how many times they fix the Han/Jabba scene it'll never work and look right.
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post #972 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by Gabe Powers View Post
Yeah, I'm prone to forgive all things Star Wars, but I still have to say Clone Wars is one of the only shows I look forward to watching anymore. I think it's very impressive that they turned Lucas' ass requirements. It took most of the first season, but they managed to turn the improbable little girl bait into an interesting character. It's gone beyond nostalgia and a respect for the scope of the action - I'm actually into the story, and caring about the characters.
Cartoon Network edited the "ARC Troopers" episode by a few seconds. When Asajj Ventress kills a trooper with her lightsaber, she kisses him as he dies. You can see the very short clip here:

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/s...ers_133913.asp

Needless to say, that footage will undoubtedly be in the episode on Blu-Ray and DVD.


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Originally Posted by Bucho View Post
I remember a Star Wars comic from long, long ago (must have been mid-80s) which followed a guy who became a stormtrooper, from his life as a street rat to serving in the Empire to leaving and joining the rebellion. I don't know if the things that happened in those comics were ever supposed to be canon but I thought it was a great idea.
Marvel Annual #3, probably. Superb issue; paints the struggle between the Rebellion and Empire as more than simply X-Wings shooting at TIE Fighters, and brings it all down to the level of two brothers headed in opposite ideological directions.

Damn near wore out my copy over the years, until Dark Horse finally put out those incredible reprint volumes a few years back.
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post #973 of 1634
9/19/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by Bucho View Post
I far prefered thinking of stormtroopers as real dudes too. I like the idea that the Empire isn't the simple evil of the forces of Mordor, it's the complicated evil of the Nazis, or maybe the Roman and British Empires. At the top there's some pure evil going on but the further you get down the chain of command many of them are just blokes following orders and making a living by serving in the armed forces. Obviously they're not a battalion of angels, but they're not mindless automatons or robots.
People may prefer this angle, but it's not what was intended. Interviews with Lucas, and with Joseph Campbell talking about Lucas, state that the Empire is not a political ideology, but a force of evil. It's high fantasy, not political allegory.

The problem with viewing the Empire in shades of gray is that it makes the idea of The Force problematic. The Force clearly has good and evil permutations, and nothing in between. This is meant to be emblematic of the way the world of Star Wars works. No apologies are ever made about the Empire in terms like "Well, the trains run on time". Their goals are to dominate, enslave and generally serve The Cause of Evil.

Yes, it's more interesting over the long haul to think of the Star Wars universe in shades of gray. But it has more in common with Lord of the Rings than World War II. And nobody's interested in thinking of Sauron's army in shaded political terms. The Emperor is just another Sauron, and his minions are the minions of evil.

This is one more reason I think this would have been better off as one standalone movie.
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post #974 of 1634
9/19/10 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
The only thing that would improve the Jabba scene is its removal. It's a waste of screen time. Either that, or trim the Greedo scene so they're not saying exactly the same things twice.
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
I don't care how many times they fix the Han/Jabba scene it'll never work and look right.

Totally agreed. It's redundant and also ruins the once-great reveal of the Falcon. And makes Boba Fett seem like Jabba's on-call bitch. And makes Jabba look impotent for letting Han literally walk all over him. And yes, we've covered these same points a bajillion times over the last 13 years. I just hadn't watched that scene since forever and I'm astounded at how bad it is, especially being that it came four years after JURASSIC PARK.

P.S. Great analysis, Greg.
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post #975 of 1634
9/19/10 at 7:51pm
Yeah the Jabba scene is just bad. It is pointless. But it does show that laziness and overeating has the same effect in the Star Wars Universe as it does in ours
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post #976 of 1634
9/19/10 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by Leto II View Post
Marvel Annual #3, probably. Superb issue; paints the struggle between the Rebellion and Empire as more than simply X-Wings shooting at TIE Fighters, and brings it all down to the level of two brothers headed in opposite ideological directions.
I've heard of that story of the brothers but it wasn't that. It was just a regular issue of the comic as far as I remember.


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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
People may prefer this angle, but it's not what was intended. Interviews with Lucas, and with Joseph Campbell talking about Lucas, state that the Empire is not a political ideology, but a force of evil. It's high fantasy, not political allegory.

The problem with viewing the Empire in shades of gray is that it makes the idea of The Force problematic. The Force clearly has good and evil permutations, and nothing in between. This is meant to be emblematic of the way the world of Star Wars works. No apologies are ever made about the Empire in terms like "Well, the trains run on time". Their goals are to dominate, enslave and generally serve The Cause of Evil.

Yes, it's more interesting over the long haul to think of the Star Wars universe in shades of gray. But it has more in common with Lord of the Rings than World War II. And nobody's interested in thinking of Sauron's army in shaded political terms. The Emperor is just another Sauron, and his minions are the minions of evil.

This is one more reason I think this would have been better off as one standalone movie.
Sure, and to be clear I wasn't talking about that stuff as if it was intended by Lucas. As a kid I never thought in terms of allegories or any of that stuff, I just thought it was the most badass adventure I'd ever heard of.

I had always just assumed the stormtroopers were regular dudes, I think born out of the scenes of Luke and Han in the stolen armour. I figured the guys they mugged would have just been regular guys too, not clones or robots or anything inherently evil. And so reading that comic about the regular dude being a stormtrooper seemed completely in-game to me. I didn't know about the idea of canon back then either so I assumed it was all the real deal.

I also didn't know that stuff about The Force being only black or white without any grey. The way Luke is caught between at times, I always assumed he was in that grey area. I mean, whenever he's fighting Vader he's the good guy right? But often when he's fighting Vader he's using his anger, which is a dark side energy, right? So a good guy using dark side energy - isn't that a grey area?
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post #977 of 1634
9/19/10 at 9:38pm
No, it's Luke doing what he shouldn't be doing, which is using the power of evil to attempt to do good. At the end of Jedi, he lays down his sword and allows the Emperor to attack him rather than risk tainting himself any further. Light is light and dark is dark.
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post #978 of 1634
9/19/10 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by Bucho View Post
I had always just assumed the stormtroopers were regular dudes, I think born out of the scenes of Luke and Han in the stolen armour. I figured the guys they mugged would have just been regular guys too, not clones or robots or anything inherently evil.
One of my favorite things ever to go up on the site:

TK421, Why Aren't You At Your Post?
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post #979 of 1634
9/19/10 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
One of my favorite things ever to go up on the site:

TK421, Why Aren't You At Your Post?
I remember writing that, and the Empire Strikes Back-based sequel. Never could come up with a satisfying way to end the trilogy with Jedi though.
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post #980 of 1634
9/20/10 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Aw, hell, Dini wrote a couple episodes? Now I have to start watching again.

It can take a fucking backseat until I'm done with Lost and Mad Men, though.
Man, I'm going to be roasted for this, but I'm having more fun with Clone Wars than I did with Lost. Mad Men is pretty much the most perfect thing ever though, so totally finish that one first.
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post #981 of 1634
9/20/10 at 12:24am
I know a guy who's working on Clone Wars now. I hadn't actually tuned into the show aside from the first couple episodes, but he recently showed me a trailer for the new season and I was kinda blown away by the boost in the visuals. That along with the praise I'm seeing for the show here... sounds like I need to jump on this.
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post #982 of 1634
9/20/10 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I remember writing that, and the Empire Strikes Back-based sequel. Never could come up with a satisfying way to end the trilogy with Jedi though.
Maybe a simmering rivalry between the classic troopers and the cocky Biker Scouts?
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post #983 of 1634
9/20/10 at 3:41am
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Originally Posted by Gabe Powers View Post
Man, I'm going to be roasted for this, but I'm having more fun with Clone Wars than I did with Lost. Mad Men is pretty much the most perfect thing ever though, so totally finish that one first.
Well, considering the last few seasons of Lost, no one is going to hold this against you.
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post #984 of 1634
10/11/10 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by TaylorF View Post
Lucas needs to take creepy as fuck Christensen out of ROTJ and put back in the compassionate Sebastian Shaw.
...and change the music back to the old ewok 'Yub Nub' song while he's at it. My god, that new piece that he replaced it with just came on my movie music net radio channel here at work and it sounds like something that should have been in the original Secret Of Monkey Island, not rounding out a supposed 6 film epic.

Yub Nub every day of the week for me please.
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post #985 of 1634
10/11/10 at 11:00pm
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Yub Nub every day of the week for me please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN62wqBdbxA
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post #986 of 1634
10/11/10 at 11:11pm
I understand all of the criticism leveled against Return of the Jedi, but I personally enjoy how the second act of the film is basically a reuniting of the cast. Yes, I understand that those scenes kill the pacing, and I realize much of the Ewok stuff is superfluous, but its nice to see a group of characters that I've grown to love relax for once, especially after the perilous adventures of the first two movies, and the scenes on Endor prepare the audience nicely for the decisive duel in the final act.

With that being said, I really like the music change at the end of the film, I find it quite tranquil.
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post #987 of 1634
10/12/10 at 9:38am
The new music works in the context of the expanded scope of the finale. I don't think "Yub Nub" would have worked playing over the celebrations around the galaxy.

The best thing the new ending for Jedi did was make it feel like this was a real final victory for the Rebellion rather than some isolated win on a forest moon.
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post #988 of 1634
10/12/10 at 11:33am
Uh, wasn't it an isolated win on a forest moon and not the real final victory for the Rebellion?

The Empire started crumpling, especially with the Emperor's death, but there was still a lot of infrastructure intact that was oppressing people.
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post #989 of 1634
10/12/10 at 12:00pm
That's EU though. Jedi's SE makes it pretty plain that the show's over for the boys in white. I get the impression it worked a lot like The Wizard of Oz -- "Wait, the scary old dude and the walking iron lung are dead? To hell with this then."
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post #990 of 1634
10/12/10 at 12:56pm
Thanks for making that point again, Richard, it can't be made often enough. The biggest damage the EU did to the Star Wars universe was to give a large number of people the impression that Jedi does NOT represent a final victory for the Rebellion.

As far as the story and overarching themes of the films are concerned, and looking at Lucas' own intentions and not those of marketers, the war is won with Jedi. Nothing in the core story of the saga works if the final victory in the films is downgraded to a minor win, because that destroys the thematic mythology that makes Star Wars so special in the first place.

The Star Wars films and the EU are really 2 separate things. In the hearts and minds of most casual fans, Star Wars is a self-contained epic in 3 0r 6 parts, depending on whether you like the prequels or not. For a weird but disturbingly large subset of people, though, Star Wars is this big, lumbering, messy beast of a thing much more akin to Star Trek with its multiple timelines and mulitmedia extensions always cracking under the pressure of its own continuity, or lack thereof.
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post #991 of 1634
10/12/10 at 3:59pm
Canonically speaking, I think the official policy is that it's all connected into one big universe. This is not a fan thing. It's the actual policy of Lucasfilm.

Like it or not. If it retroactivelly hurts the original trilogy or not.
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post #992 of 1634
10/12/10 at 5:05pm
Sure it's official. Sure it's got the Lucasfilm stamp on it. If I woke up tomorrow and the US dollar bill had the Lucasfilm logo on it I wouldn't be surprised. But the holistic reality of the situation is that when people talk about the magic of myth-making that is the Star Wars saga, they are not talking about the Rebellion's left-over squadrons of X-Wings fighting the re-assembled remnant of the Imperial fleet led by Admiral What's-his-Face or the huge-omongous titanic super alien invader Star Trek war to end all galactic wars that came 20 years after the events of the films, they are talking about the movies featuring Luke Skywalker's "hero's journey."
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post #993 of 1634
10/12/10 at 5:14pm
Preferring the Ewok hoedown to Williams' Special Edition piece is pure lunacy. That's a beautiful piece of music. It's so good that it almost makes Jedi a worthwhile experience. The Yub Nub song just ground it further into the dirt.

And I'm fully behind Chris Hill on this. When the movies end, it's over. The EU business is just methadone for the addicts.
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post #994 of 1634
10/12/10 at 5:22pm
Yeah, and I want to add this which is more relevant to the discussion: everything that is and ever has been in the films, content-wise, is for the benefit of the average casual viewer who has little to no knowledge of anything EU-related. I've noticed that die-hard EU fans tend to have a warped perspective of the films. They view them as very small bits of a larger story and tend to read into them a lot of things that were never intentional, like "see that look Lando just shot Luke there? That's because he knows that Commander So-and-so is really a double agent of the Empire... it was in Dark Horse issue 174.."
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post #995 of 1634
10/12/10 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
And I'm fully behind Chris Hill on this. When the movies end, it's over. The EU business is just methadone for the addicts.
Eighth grade me just hopped on a time machine to hunt you down and cut you for that. Adult me totally agrees.

And you know we have the EU to blame for all the Resident Evil/Halo/Mass Effect/dumb property tie in books.

Sadly now whenever I think of the Star Wars EU I think of this clip from a very popular TV show. Any Star Wars nerd will recognize THOSE looks.
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post #996 of 1634
10/12/10 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Hill View Post
Thanks for making that point again, Richard, it can't be made often enough. The biggest damage the EU did to the Star Wars universe was to give a large number of people the impression that Jedi does NOT represent a final victory for the Rebellion.
See it's funny, I was never much of a fan of the EU stuff, so it wasn't that that gave me that impression - it was simply basic logic that gave me that impression.

You have that much infrastructure, that many troops and imperial hierarchies stretched out across that galaxy far far away, of course it's not all going to disappear in a puff of smoke overnight. That's ridiculous.

Ugh. I pretty much hate every major change to the ending of Jedi personally.


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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Preferring the Ewok hoedown to Williams' Special Edition piece is pure lunacy. That's a beautiful piece of music. It's so good that it almost makes Jedi a worthwhile experience. The Yub Nub song just ground it further into the dirt.
Yub Nub is catchy, joyous and fun, the new piece sounds like generic Monkey Island music and is utterly lifeless and bland. Just my opinion, but it doesn't work for me in the slightest.
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post #997 of 1634
10/12/10 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mercury318 View Post
Sadly now whenever I think of the Star Wars EU I think of this clip from a very popular TV show. Any Star Wars nerd will recognize THOSE looks.
She really should have stopped before she got to "Twin Jedi babies".
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post #998 of 1634
10/13/10 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
See it's funny, I was never much of a fan of the EU stuff, so it wasn't that that gave me that impression - it was simply basic logic that gave me that impression.

You have that much infrastructure, that many troops and imperial hierarchies stretched out across that galaxy far far away, of course it's not all going to disappear in a puff of smoke overnight. That's ridiculous.
That's thinking way too hard about the situation. It's high fantasy. It makes every bit as much sense for the Empire to fall apart upon the Emperor's death as it does for Sauron's empire to do the same when the ring is destroyed. Thinking of it in real-world political and military terms is missing what Star Wars is about. You may as well do the same with the Wicked Witch of the West.
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post #999 of 1634
10/13/10 at 12:59am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
That's thinking way too hard about the situation. It's high fantasy. It makes every bit as much sense for the Empire to fall apart upon the Emperor's death as it does for Sauron's empire to do the same when the ring is destroyed. Thinking of it in real-world political and military terms is missing what Star Wars is about. You may as well do the same with the Wicked Witch of the West.
It's not like I had to sit down and really nut it out, that struck me as the probable reality even when I was a kid.

I guess we just look at Star Wars differently. For me it's still based in it's own reality and that reality still has an empire with a basic hierarchy and bureaucracy. It's fantastical science fiction but it's hardly high fantasy in my opinion.

As an aside, the prequels and all their senate debating and talks of trade deals and blockades etc must have really rankled with you then. I don;t remember that kind of geo-political sensibility being present in the land of Oz
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post #1000 of 1634
10/13/10 at 2:51am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
As an aside, the prequels and all their senate debating and talks of trade deals and blockades etc must have really rankled with you then. I don;t remember that kind of geo-political sensibility being present in the land of Oz
Frank Baum was smart enough to cover that stuff metaphorically. Y'know, what with the Scarecrow being Agriculture and the Woodsman being Industry and all.
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