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The late, great RICHARD LAYMON

post #1 of 20
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Everybody knows RICHARD LAYMON is the greatest pulp horror schlock writer of the late 20th century.

How come there aren't any movies based on his work? You could have your own industry making Laymon movies. You could even have some franchises!

My friends and I have been trying for years to find a copy of the only Laymon movie ever made, IN THE DARK. Laymon himself heaped high praise on the rough cut, even though the producers ran out of money to finish post production and then Laymon died. The movie was never released and has become something of a legend among fans.

I finally got a copy of the movie from a fellow Laymon fan. Going to watch it soon, can't wait. Has anyone ever seen it? I am curious to see if the filmmakers made anything of the clues Laymon left in the book re: The Beast House connection
post #2 of 20
I've only read the Beast House novels, and while I enjoyed them for what they were - schlock pretty well covers it - that was some seriously shocking subject matter for a mainstream audience. You'd have to water them down almost beyond recognition to get any of them made, unless they went straight to schlocky DVD, which would promise low budgets, terrible actors, and lackluster directing. A lose-lose either way.

That having been said, I'm curious how the rest of Laymon's work is. Anyone got an opinion on any of his other books? The one about the woods looked interesting (sorry, the name escapes me).
post #3 of 20
I remember reading some of his work when I first got into horror literature back in the day and it was awful, badly written shit. Almost no craft, atmosphere, suspense or anything that would compel me to recommend his work to others. I'm kinda glad to read that he is dead, actually.
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What kind of a kangaroo-fucking douchebag says they are glad somebody is dead because they didn't like reading one of his books?

Laymon is beloved by contemporary horror writers, many of whom knew him as not only the premier horror writer of his day, but also a swell guy who educated, informed, and influenced their careers.

Laymon was blacklisted in the USA by incompetent and pussified publishers, but built a big following during his lifetime by publishing in the UK and elsewhere. Which is a shame because Laymon was a Californian who wrote about the state with an understanding and eye like few others have. It should be noted that in the post-911/torture porn era, Laymon has experienced a posthumous resurgence thanks to Leisure Books slowly republishing his work in the USA, much of it for the first time. Laymon was very keen on the cover art for his books. The UK Headline paperbacks have some of the best horror pulp fiction covers you are ever apt to see.

Laymon did have a number of quirky tells that surface throughout his works. You will find no shortage of sexually depraved weirdos, evil homeless people, and stranger repeating kinks, if you submit to the collected works of Laymon.

Laymon’s books are straight-ahead stories. He writes with a declarative dispassion akin to Hemingway. He never relies on exposition. His storylines are highly cinematic. You almost feel you are watching a movie when you read a Laymon book. Laymon never fell into the trap of his plotlines falling apart because of goofy philosophical grandstanding, as many writers do.

That said, Laymon also employed neat writer’s tricks with a deft hand. His collected works are a veritable how-to guide for writers of all persuasions, not just horror. Indeed, his writer’s guide, A WRITER’S TALE, is one of the most sought-after textbooks for aspiring genre writers, so much so that it is almost impossible to find a copy for less than thousand bucks.

Laymon’s books tend to grab you and drag you screaming to the end with a kind of intensity rarely seen consistently with other genre writers. Just about the only thing you can count on in a Laymon novel is that you probably can’t count on knowing what is going to happen next. Laymon tended to write off the top of his head.

Even among Laymon fans, you will rarely find agreement on what were Laymon’s best and worst books. Generally one person’s favorite is another’s least favorite. To me this indicates Laymon’s style and technique were so solid, that basically all of his books are entertaining to a worthy degree. IMO Laymon’s work was so filled with busted taboos, that it is really more what baggage the reader brings that determines whether they like a particular Laymon book or not.

Some of my favorites, besides the Beast House books:

ENDLESS NIGHT – This story about a serial killer’s club starts off with the most intense opening for a book I have ever read. Out of the gate you get 70+ pages of sheer WTF intensity the likes of which I have never seen anywhere else.

SAVAGE – Laymon’s take on the real story of Jack the Ripper goes from England to the Old West, and brings that wild Laymon gore and circumstance to what is essentially a historic novel in the vein of Dan Simmon’s DROOD

BEWARE – One of Laymons first novels, this book is utterly spare— the shortest, most densely packed Laymon book, and probably the most movie-like. This book is like the ultimate grindhouse cinema experience. It has a little bit of everything, and it all comes at you one thign after the next.

RESSURECTION DREAMS – The quintessential 80s take on Frankenstein and Zombies

ISLAND – Written entirely from the POV of the journal of a castaway who finds him and his companions hunted to death while stranded on an island.

FUNLAND – Laymon’s take on those stories you sometimes hear about Californian’s taking the homeless problem into their own hands

QUAKE – A psycho killer was only biding his time until the Big One to be able to unleash his most depraved fantasies

NIGHT IN THE LONESOME OCTOBER – This one takes a favorite theme of Laymon’s (i.e., one innocuous decision leads to all kinds of bad shit) and turns a simple nighttime stroll into a protracted nightmare.

NO SANCTUARY – Another Laymon theme regards people who sneak into other people’s houses for kicks. Laymon runs with that theme here, except this time he shows you how that kind of fun can go very bad.

THE TRAVELLING VAMPIRE SHOW – Laymon’s coming of age story has been compared to stuff like THE BODY/STAND BY ME, but of course it is Laymon so it is a whole lot more fucked up than the seminal King work.

ALL HALLOW'S EVE - One of the more straightforward Laymon tales, this is a classic Halloween creeper. Basically Laymon's version of John Carpenter

IN THE DARK - As I mentioned earlier, this book ties to the Beast House series, but also stands on its own. On it's own, it is a tale of lunacy and obsession that presages and predicted America's infatuation with reality TV shows and "elimination games"

FLESH - Laymon's version of the story you know about little parasite monsters taking over people and making them do real bad stuff (see: THE HIDDEN, SLITHERS, etc)

STAKE - You have never read a vampire story like this one. Never

BITE - And you have never read a vampire story like this one, either! How did Laymon manage to write 2 vampire novels utterly unlike anything else anyone ever had written before?

I should also mention that Laymon was equally talented in short story format. He was as prolific with short stories as he was with novels. Collections include FEINDS, MADMAN STAN, OUT ARE THE LIGHTS, DREADFUL TALES, A GOOD SECRET PLACE

also, Cemetery Dance has been working on a major Laymon tribute called IN LAYMON'S TERMS ever since he died back on Valentine's Day 2001. Many people have bought this book years ago, but it still has not been published yet
post #5 of 20
I've read a few of his books, but he's a little too rape obsessed for me.
post #6 of 20
That can be fun in limited doses. . .
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by cfMC View Post
What kind of a kangaroo-fucking douchebag says they are glad somebody is dead because they didn't like reading one of his books?
The one who sat down to read his books years ago because I had read a lot of hype about how good his work was ("His typewriter ribbon is soaked in cold blood!") and found said work to be juvenile, rapey, bottom of the barrel swill entirely focused around boring violence, mundane, breathtakingly unoriginal plots and, flat dull narratives?
Occasionally we run out of kangaroo's to fuck the shit out of down here (they jump real fast!) so we have to turn to literature in between Roo-Rape and I found this stuff to be no better than the crap you used to find on turnstyles in bus stations with giant scorpions on the front cover.
Actually, some of those books were fun. Laymon: not so much.
post #8 of 20
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Let's see, Laymon's biggest boosters, even through years of blacklisting censorship in the USA, include Steve King, Dean Koontz, Bentley Little, Brian Keene, Ed Lee, Jack Ketchum, Douglas Clegg, Robert R. McCammon, ... among others

and then on the other side we've got a kangaroo fucker with no respect for the dead
post #9 of 20
But I did guffaw when I read "rapey" and "Roo-Rape". Does that make me a bad person? HEY! What if Laymon wrote a book ABOUT Roo-rape?
post #10 of 20
That I would read!
Well I would if I could get my cock out of this Wombat.
post #11 of 20
Australia: Come for the scenery, stay to gawk at O'Callaghan pooning the wildlife.
post #12 of 20
Don't turn this thread into a cess pool of lies and pretend you wouldn't watch, Jakeyboy.
post #13 of 20
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The hell of it is that for many years Laymon sold better Down Under than anywhere else outside of the UK. Steve Gerlach even runs the original Laymon website Richard Laymon Kills out of .AU
post #14 of 20
Watch? Shit, I'd help.
post #15 of 20
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The hell of it is that for many years Laymon sold better Down Under than anywhere else outside of the UK. Steve Gerlach even runs the original Laymon website Richard Laymon Kills out of .AU
He had a HUGE following here in the late 80's early 90's. Like I said, I scooped a bunch of his stuff up when I got into King, Lovecraft and Barker in High School and everyone who knew I was into them recommended Laymon's work. I didn't have a single friend in the 90's who didn't have a stack of his novels on their coffee/bong tables.
I didn't know about the blacklisting thing until your initial post, I assumed he was a widely published guy.
post #16 of 20
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in 1980 Warner Bros heavily redacted and revised Laymon's second novel, THE WOODS ARE DARK, and published it with a bad cover and no marketing, and that was the end of Laymon in the USA until just before he died. Leisure recently reprinted the novel as Laymon originally intended, after Laymon's daughter found the original manuscript and notes and put it all together. Tastes have changed in the USA. I think you could easily make some very profitable unrated movies out of Laymon stories. The only reason I can figure why there's no Laymon movies is that his estate must not need the money that bad.
post #17 of 20
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Cemetery Dance has been working on a major Laymon tribute called IN LAYMON'S TERMS
They could also call it "Laymon For Dummies"
post #18 of 20
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Why is that? Have you seen it? It's still not published. The CD owner had some kind of mental breakdown and sent around an apologetic email earlier this year promising to finally publish it, but it still hasn't happened
post #19 of 20
GOOD: At his best, this is kinky, shockingly-violent pulp fiction.

THE STAKE - Probably my all around favorite novel from the grocery store paperback genre.

RESURRECTION DREAMS - Fun, high school version of REANIMATOR.

Then there's the total garbage: AFTER MIDNIGHT, BODY RIDES, and a couple others I can't remember.

At his worst, he wrote WAY TOO MUCH filler. For example, there is a scene in AFTER MIDNIGHT in which the unlikable, annoying narrator cleans up a murder site. That whole section lasts like fifty pages, with paragraph after paragraph of "maybe I should do this, or this, but then again...though it might also be fun if..."

He seems to use the words "nipple", "hard nipple", "stiff nipple" about 500 times in each novel. One time I read a Ketchum short story with those words and laughed. It was a Laymon-esque short story. We must've read the same book.

He's a very fun read at his best, though I couldn't imagine ever saying everything he wrote was gold.
post #20 of 20
Night in the Lonesome October wasn't bad, some effectively creepy bits. I discovered it while hunting down Roger Zelazny's book of the same name.

Laymon's book wasn't bad, but Zelazny's was fucking terrific.
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