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post #1 of 26
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Came across Wes Anderson's poignant account of his private screening of Rushmore for Pauline Kael, came to post it, and discovered we have no thread for her in the forums. Lots of Chewers name-drop her work and her influence on film criticism in various threads, but I'm interested a discussion of the woman herself, her writing, and the response to her reviews and how they affected the making of movies (aside from the creation of General Kael). Having never read her books at length, where should I start? Any particular individual reviews that are particularly edifying, illuminating, controversial? I remember loving her take on Superman, written before children's entertainment had truly dominated studio output, even if I ultimately disagreed with many of her conclusions. Never followed up, though.


ETA: From the Superman review:

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“Superman” gives the impression of having been made in panic—in fear that “too much” imagination might endanger the film’s appeal to the literal-minded. With astronomic sums of money involved (though not in ways perceptible to viewers), the producers and the director, Richard Donner, must have been afraid even of style—afraid that it would function satirically, as a point of view (as it does in the James Bond pictures). Style, to them, probably meant the risk of camp, which might endanger the film’s appeal to the widest audience.
post #2 of 26
I think For Keeps is the one I read all the way through, but all of her work is extraordinary. I've never seen such articulate and politically incorrect reviews--they can sometimes be shocking and you will most certainly find them controversial. She was infamous for hating 2001 among many other lauded films. You can go wrong with Kael.
post #3 of 26
Not sure which collection it's in, but her review of Last Tango in Paris is generally regarded as a landmark piece of 70's criticism, that not only elevated that film in the eyes of many of her peers, but set a new standard for the evaluation of "adult" material in mainstream filmmaking.
post #4 of 26
The highlight of her career was when she referred to the villains in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER as "deep-in-the-closet bitch fags". You won't see Ebert busting that one out any time soon.
post #5 of 26
I remember her not caring for The Road Warrior but liking The Eyes Of Laura Mars.

The other thing I remember is Roger Avary saying (I might be paraphrasing here):

"Pauline Kael was a great film critic who had shitty taste in movies."
post #6 of 26
I fear Ebert is now the same...he still writes well, but God he seems to like the most shitty movies now...
post #7 of 26
Ugh. Her questionable taste is one of the reasons she's so incredible! Brilliant critics aren't people you always agree with. Otherwise they'd be you. And you're not a brilliant film critic.

I hate it when people say, "she didn't like _____" so she sucks. Really narrow minded thinking. As if challenging your love for the film totally invalidates her point of view!

And really...we're taking ques from Roger Avery now?
post #8 of 26
You're missing the point, Parker. Nobody, including, and especially Roger Avary, was or is disparaging Pauline Kael. The commentary on her unusual taste is out of bemusement, nothing else.

Did you ever read Avary's blog back in the day. Very astute observations on and eclectic appreciation of various facets of film. No need for unwarranted dig.
post #9 of 26
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Ugh. Her questionable taste is one of the reasons she's so incredible! Brilliant critics aren't people you always agree with. Otherwise they'd be you. And you're not a brilliant film critic.

I hate it when people say, "she didn't like _____" so she sucks. Really narrow minded thinking. As if challenging your love for the film totally invalidates her point of view!

And really...we're taking ques from Roger Avery now?
I'm not disparaging her at all. I'm just pointing out things that I remember about her. Like Elvis said, I was taken aback by that when I read the book or books (this was years ago so my memory is a little fuzzy) that had both reviews in it. The Road Warrior is considered a classic while Laura Mars isn't really brought up too much. This was my first time reading Kael so I really didn't know what to expect.

I brought up the Avary quote because it was the first and so far only time I've ever heard anything said about her that was remotely negative. And I wanted to add something to the discussion.
post #10 of 26
Kael's value is her honesty. She never sounds like she's playing to the crowd-- or to the intelligentsia. I can be baffled by her never-ending support for Brian de Palma and at the same time respect her loyalty.

And man, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid didn't fool her for a damn second.
post #11 of 26
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You're missing the point, Parker. Nobody, including, and especially Roger Avary, was or is disparaging Pauline Kael. The commentary on her unusual taste is out of bemusement, nothing else.

Did you ever read Avary's blog back in the day. Very astute observations on and eclectic appreciation of various facets of film. No need for unwarranted dig.
I used to be a regular on that message board (as did mumblecore poster boy Joe Swanberg, before he'd really done anything). Really a shame he stopped blogging. Even more of a shame what's happened with him lately. A really interesting and insightful appreciator of film.
post #12 of 26
I am not "disparaging" her, but I will point out how totally off the wall nuts her review of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is. She had no reason to dislike the film as much as she did.
post #13 of 26

Bumping this because she's been in the movie-blogger air lately: September 3 marked ten years since she died, and later this month brings two books, one a biography, one a collection of her reviews over the years.

 

I've skimmed the latter. Not a lot of reason to spring for it if you already have For Keeps. Looking forward to the bio, though. This certainly is the autumn for bios/memoirs about critics: Kael, Ebert, and then James Wolcott also this month.

 

I have all Kael's books. The '70s ones are the best, because there were more movies she could really engage with. The '80s ones have their own pleasures though. She was the opposite of snob. All you have to do is point to her positive reviews of Re-Animator, Dreamscape, Flash Gordon, Sheena, and so forth.

 

If you had to reduce her to a formula: the more a movie tried to be important, the less she liked it; the less a movie tried to be important, the more she liked it.

 

Every so often someone will try to speculate on what she would've made of this or that current film. Amusingly, two separate people had her either loving or hating Black Swan, and each had convincing reasons.

 

The one movie I really wish she'd reviewed is Do the Right Thing. Terrence Rafferty, that honking bore who doesn't so much write as hold forth, got it instead. Kael only reviewed one Spike joint, his first.

post #14 of 26

Armond White with breasts. The internet would have spooned her up just the same.

post #15 of 26

So absurdly wrong.

post #16 of 26

White wishes he could be contrarian a quarter as well as Kael could. Also she came first, so that would make him a boobless Pauline Kael. If it were an apt comparison. Which it isn't.

 

I'd recommend this great article about Kael from The New Yorker. A good summary of her style, career, and the times she wrote in.


Edited by Whiteboy Jones - 10/17/11 at 3:32pm
post #17 of 26
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Bumping this because she's been in the movie-blogger air lately: September 3 marked ten years since she died, and later this month brings two books, one a biography, one a collection of her reviews over the years.

 

I've skimmed the latter. Not a lot of reason to spring for it if you already have For Keeps. Looking forward to the bio, though. This certainly is the autumn for bios/memoirs about critics: Kael, Ebert, and then James Wolcott also this month.

 

I have all Kael's books. The '70s ones are the best, because there were more movies she could really engage with. The '80s ones have their own pleasures though. She was the opposite of snob. All you have to do is point to her positive reviews of Re-Animator, Dreamscape, Flash Gordon, Sheena, and so forth.

 

If you had to reduce her to a formula: the more a movie tried to be important, the less she liked it; the less a movie tried to be important, the more she liked it.

 

Every so often someone will try to speculate on what she would've made of this or that current film. Amusingly, two separate people had her either loving or hating Black Swan, and each had convincing reasons.

 

The one movie I really wish she'd reviewed is Do the Right Thing. Terrence Rafferty, that honking bore who doesn't so much write as hold forth, got it instead. Kael only reviewed one Spike joint, his first.



Your formula is pretty spot on, though she's not a contrarian when it comes to The Godfather. Her evaluation of Brando as Vito is especially insightful. 

 

Been reading For Keeps for about a week now, at least the reviews for movies I've actually seen (maybe a third of them). I love when she disagrees with me, because she always lets me know why and that forces me to reevaluate my position (on The Roadwarrior and Bladerunner, among others). 

 

I also discovered Sontag & Kael: Opposites Attract Me by Craig Seligman. The author compares and contrasts the two critics' styles. Unfortunately, I haven't read any of Susan Sontag yet, so I put Against Interpretation on hold at the library. 

 

I've been trying to push myself as a cinephile lately, and these two ladies are worthy mentors. 

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Unfortunately, I haven't read any of Susan Sontag yet, so I put Against Interpretation on hold at the library. 

 



What!! For shame, Bartleby! For shame. 

post #19 of 26

I've not read enough of her stuff to have a strong point of view on her, but her review of RAIDERS says to me that she simply lacked the facilities to understand certain kinds of film

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What!! For shame, Bartleby! For shame. 



I know, fuck me gently with a chainsaw.

post #21 of 26
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I am not "disparaging" her, but I will point out how totally off the wall nuts her review of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is. She had no reason to dislike the film as much as she did.


 



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I've not read enough of her stuff to have a strong point of view on her, but her review of RAIDERS says to me that she simply lacked the facilities to understand certain kinds of film


You're consistent Princess, I'll give you that.

 

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You're consistent Princess, I'll give you that.

 



 

Oops forgot I'd already shared my point of view in this thread. I am still on the lookout for my golden toad AVATAR so my subtle black and grey memorial AVATAR slipped by me

post #23 of 26
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Your formula is pretty spot on, though she's not a contrarian when it comes to The Godfather. Her evaluation of Brando as Vito is especially insightful. 

 


Thing is, to me she's never really come off as a contrarian. She raved about E.T., for instance. A real contrarian will say E.T. is shit. (Even Armond White won't say that, because his head is so far up Spielberg's ass.)

 

It helps to put Godfather in the context of its time. It was based on a trashy bestseller. It still retained a lot of its pulpy vitality, which is part of what appealed to Kael, as well as Coppola's peerlessly smooth and confident handling of what really had the potential to be a shitty film. Today we look at Godfather as a monument, an unqualified classic. Back then it hadn't gathered decades' worth of genuflections. It was seen as a really damn fine Hollywood film of the sort Hollywood hadn't been succeeding at much back then. The surprise was that it didn't completely shit the bed, given the crappy novel, the cast of mostly unknowns, and Brando, who at the time was, if not box-office poison, damn close to it.

 

Point is, when I said "the more a movie tried to be important, the less she liked it; the less a movie tried to be important, the more she liked it" — well, The Godfather wasn't really "trying to be important," not in the way I'm thinking of. It was Coppola on his game and telling a cracking good story (or turning a cheesy story into a better story). It turned out to be an important film, but only incidentally, because of the craft and care and intelligence Coppola brought to it. On the other hand, Apocalypse Now was trying to be important, and Kael didn't think much of it.

 

Other examples: E.T. and Temple of Doom = Spielberg not trying to be important (Kael loved both). The Color Purple and Empire of the Sun = Spielberg trying to be important (Kael had serious issues with them).

 

I really think she just liked what she liked and disliked what she disliked. I don't think she ever operated like "Oh, everyone loves/hates this — I'd better go the other way." Even with directors she loved — De Palma, Scorsese, Peckinpah — she'd call 'em like she saw 'em.

 

The more interesting charge against her is the whole Paulettes thing, where she had a slew of writers who idolized her and who were terrified of going against her opinions — even years after she retired but before she died. She always denied it, but other folks who were around at the time like James Wolcott beg to differ. I think she enjoyed holding sway over younger writers. It made up for the influence she was increasingly failing to have over moviemakers and moviegoers as the '80s kicked in.

post #24 of 26

Having a unique outlook and way of looking at things, sticking to your guns even when everyone else disagrees and explaining yourself articulately and entertainingly - that's not being a contrarian, that's being an interesting person.

post #25 of 26

Maybe I chose my words poorly, but being a contrarian isn't always a negative. Playing the devil's advocate and challenging inherent societal standards (ie. what makes and is a classic) is a valuable commodity.

 

That's why I especially love Chris Sims over at comicsalliance.com, as his comprehensive reviews of all the Batman movies really opened my eyes to the flaws in the Burton films and the fun of Schumacher's. 

post #26 of 26

She did kind of start out as a contrarian — she was anti-Andrew Sarris, anti-dogma. She wanted to cut through the crap. And her "Raising Kane" is probably the biggest, red-cape act of contrarianism in film-critic history, in that it dared to suggest that Citizen Kane didn't just spring fully-formed from Welles' forehead. (She did apparently swipe a lot of the research for that from an academic under the pretense that she would co-write a paper on Kane with him.) She wasn't just about going against the grain, though. Like I said, pretty much everyone under the sun placed shiny gifts at the feet of Spielberg for E.T. and she was happy to join the parade.

 

I've also always liked how her favorite Indy film was Temple of Doom — it was the closest in tone to the old goofball Cary Grant adventures she used to enjoy, like Gunga Din. Raiders she didn't enjoy because she felt it lacked personality, and Last Crusade she felt went a little too heavy on the reconnecting-with-Dad thing. (That shit was in the air in '89, too, what with Field of Dreams and Dad and others. The boomers were approaching 50 and watching their stoic dads get weaker, or feeling bad about rebelling against them in the '60s. Kael didn't have much use for sentimentality.)

 

I've sometimes wished someone with a gift for prose mimicry could do an ongoing blog purporting to be the ghost of Kael writing about stuff like Avatar. Someone tried that with a supposed lost Kael review of Plan 9 from Outer Space; nice idea, but it really didn't get her style.

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