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post #1 of 36
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Pardon the source, but...what?

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A woman has admitted to being 'an abortion addict' after having 15 terminations over 17 years.

Irene Vilar said she had the abortions not from poverty or fear but as an extraordinary act of rebellion against her 'controlling' husband who did not want children.

The 40-year-old's confession has unleashed a torrent of attacks from anti-abortion activists on the internet, including death threats and demands for her to be jailed.

The cycle of pregnancies and abortions, which began when she was 16 and ended when she was 33, was also punctuated by several suicide attempts.

Now a successful literary agent with two young daughters, Loretta, five, and Lolita, three, Mrs Vilar has written about her experiences in a memoir, called Impossible Motherhood: Testimony of an Abortion Addict.

The book, which was published yesterday, has shocked many Americans, who remain bitterly divided over the issue, and has angered campaigners on both sides of the abortion divide.

Charmaine Yoest, president of pro-life pressure group Americans United for Life, said: 'It really underscores everything we always say in the pro-life movement - that abortion is part of a very sad story for women.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...es-memoir.html
post #2 of 36
I've heard about this kind of thing before, much more common than you might think unfortunately.
post #3 of 36
And despite what anti-abortion rights advocates would have us believe, the real issue here is mental health, specifically that of the woman involved. I don't think bringing any of those potential 15 children into the world with a mother as disturbed as she was would have benefitted anyone.

To me, those acts were what she saw as the only bit of "control" she had in the relationship, though if he didn't want kids you would think she would have had a child instead of terminate all the pregnancies. Oh well, trying to understand her state of mind is best left to the professionals.

Oh yeah, and Charmaine Yoest is an idiot for trying to spin this as abortion being the villain in the story. How 'bout she look at the husband and our failed Mental Health system.
post #4 of 36
Don't knock it 'till you try it.
post #5 of 36
There are a lot of people, especially in America, that are starved for attention and do crazy things to get it--consciously or unconsciously--and then talk about the crazy things they did to get more attention. Definitely not exclusive to any perversion or peccadillo.
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There are a lot of people, especially in America, that are starved for attention and do crazy things to get it--consciously or unconsciously--and then talk about the crazy things they did to get more attention. Definitely not exclusive to any perversion or peccadillo.
Not sure that is what we are talking about here. She did it for 30 years before she wrote a book. Like I said, there is alot more of this than you might imagine. Yet I'd assume that this news story is going to be the first many people have heard of this
post #7 of 36
Please, somebody point out the unintended irony of `killing the unborn` to them.
post #8 of 36
I'm staunchly pro-choice, and this sounds mind boggling even to me.

Women have been given the right to choose - I vote based on that right. And there's nothing "insane" about women who've gotten abortions, despite the way Charmaine Yoest would like to spin this. But given that these were so many abortions by one person, that they were accompanied by a few suicide attempts, and that all this was her way of getting back at her husband doesn't suggest the healthiest of minds.
post #9 of 36
She's gonna have to face it, she's addicted to love.
post #10 of 36
That is sad and depressing.
post #11 of 36
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
Not sure that is what we are talking about here. She did it for 30 years before she wrote a book. Like I said, there is alot more of this than you might imagine. Yet I'd assume that this news story is going to be the first many people have heard of this
Well, there is the attention that she is receiving from the doctors, that alone could be the attention she "needed". I don't know if that is what yt meant but that's what I've taken from it. but sad indeed...

good to see Indiana represent this thread! maybe I should not be too proud of that...
post #12 of 36
Obviously I don't know the woman personally but it sounds a little like Munchhausen's Syndrome by Proxy, with the fetus being the constant and repeating victim to facilitate this woman being seen and heard by those closest to her. Then, she writes a book about it, thus garnering more attention. Seems narcissistic also.

I don't think it has virtually anything to do with the controversy over a woman's right to privacy in this country, because clearly this particular woman had no desire for privacy since she's writing a &^%$# book about it.
post #13 of 36
This is horribly fucking depressing. My soul hurts.
post #14 of 36
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I'm staunchly pro-choice, and this sounds mind boggling even to me.

Women have been given the right to choose - I vote based on that right. And there's nothing "insane" about women who've gotten abortions, despite the way Charmaine Yoest would like to spin this. But given that these were so many abortions by one person, that they were accompanied by a few suicide attempts, and that all this was her way of getting back at her husband doesn't suggest the healthiest of minds.
*golf clap.jpg*

This depresses me for a number of reasons, but I think the biggest problem I have with this story is that it makes abortion clinics and doctors look bad, and it's a black eye for those of us who are pro-choice. Especially with the press this is getting.

But if the pro-life movement needs to deal with and confront the fact that nutbars who shoot up abortion clinics aren't the face of the movement, but an extreme, those of us who are pro-choice need to deal with the fact that if you make something legal, there are going to be people who take advantage of it.
post #15 of 36
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Not sure that is what we are talking about here. She did it for 30 years before she wrote a book. Like I said, there is alot more of this than you might imagine. Yet I'd assume that this news story is going to be the first many people have heard of this
It's definitely a mental illness issue, an aberration in other words.
post #16 of 36
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haha wuuuuut

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This website aims to "expose choice as the killer it is".

How, you ask?

Why, by selling T-shirts and bumper stickers with pictures of babies being stabbed by machetes, of course!

But don't worry, that's not the only technique this campaign is using to convince the world of how wrong it is to give women autonomy over their own bodies. They've also created a mascot- That's right folks. Meet Judy, the talking embryo. All she wants is to "get out of here alive." Unfortunately, a machete (the abortionist's tool of choice, don't ya know) enters and puts an end to that dream. The fate of the woman whose cartoon stomach has apparently just been stabbed with a machete is left unclear.
post #17 of 36
That's clearly a combat knife, not a machete.
post #18 of 36
How could this ever have been considered constitutional? This is about the most terrible law I've heard of with regards to abortion
post #19 of 36
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I've heard about this kind of thing before, much more common than you might think unfortunately.
Really, unless you got stats to back this up this sounds like bullshit propaganda by anti-abortionists. I've been teaching gender studies for years and I've come across nothing that supports this is a common occurence.
post #20 of 36
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Really, unless you got stats to back this up this sounds like bullshit propaganda by anti-abortionists. I've been teaching gender studies for years and I've come across nothing that supports this is a common occurence.
It's not even just having taught gender studies that has anything to do with it, you'd think BEING A WOMAN and knowing other women who haven't decided to turn their vaginas into the Baby Death-o-caust Razor-Coaster would be enough evidence to the contrary, but no, I keep hearing about women who are using abortions as birth control, and it's usually from deeply conservative older guys who immediately start slut-shaming right after they make these statements. Hearing it from someone like Kate strikes me as even weirder.
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Baby Death-o-caust Razor-Coaster
The name of my new improv group.
post #22 of 36
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Really, unless you got stats to back this up this sounds like bullshit propaganda by anti-abortionists. I've been teaching gender studies for years and I've come across nothing that supports this is a common occurence.


When I say it is much more common than you might think, what I mean to say is; I'd have thought something like this would never happen, but apparently it does. I have no statistics to back that up, because I think when it does happen, its more an aberration than anything else. I recall reading about the Yale student's "art" project a few years back, and have heard of similar stories anecdotally since then. Anyone who would use such tragic incidents as an argument against abortion though is pretty twisted. It has everything to do with mental health and nothing to do with abortion. For whatever reason, these women felt it was an area of their lives they had control over and were trying to exercise that control in order to find some balance. To say abortion is the problem is like being anti-food because some there women who are anorexic. Despite some of what you hear, I'd have to say none of these incidents have anything to do with using abortion as contraception, at least in the sense of equating abortion with Yaz. The health risks alone make that concept seem utterly insane, and unless someone is on a self destructive path already and acting out, I doubt that occurs


Instead these are just sad, isolated incidents from depressed individuals. The reason for my first post saying this is more common than the reaction to the article would have you believe was to ask why is this even news? I mean, in this case I get that the woman wrote a book, but what about every memoir that gets published where an abortion happens that DOESN'T ruin someones life? Where are the breathless news stories shooting across the web to shock and astonishment?

Obviously no where because the only reason this story is such a big deal is because there are people who already hate abortion and are using this tale to further their agenda, not because the circumstances are somehow unique or provide fresh insight on the issue.

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It's not even just having taught gender studies that has anything to do with it, you'd think BEING A WOMAN and knowing other women who haven't decided to turn their vaginas into the Baby Death-o-caust Razor-Coaster would be enough evidence to the contrary, but no, I keep hearing about women who are using abortions as birth control, and it's usually from deeply conservative older guys who immediately start slut-shaming right after they make these statements. Hearing it from someone like Kate strikes me as even weirder.
See above reply to Diva
post #23 of 36
This woman is the anti-Duggar. She's a news item (and despised by half the country) for reasons similar to why Duggar was - extraordinary practice of her reproductive freedoms.
post #24 of 36
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This woman is the anti-Duggar. She's a news item (and despised by half the country) for reasons similar to why Duggar was - extraordinary abuse of her reproductive freedoms.
Fixed.
post #25 of 36
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This woman is the anti-Duggar. She's a news item (and despised by half the country) for reasons similar to why Duggar was - extraordinary practice of her reproductive freedoms.
People abuse their free speech rights, but asside from fascists, who argues for free speech to be eliminated? Same goes for abortion rights. If one person (Or ALL people) abused them, it wouldn't matter. They are still rights and you cannot take away rights
post #26 of 36
Kate, the Yale art student's supposed string of abortions were, as far as testing can determine, a hoax. Anecdotal information about women having multiple abortions or using abortions as a form of birth control is pro-life propaganda. According to the Statistical Abstract of the United States, the majority of women who had an abortion in 2004 (the most recent year reporting) had never had one before. Moreover, I think it's telling that the Stat Ab chooses to stop counting at two, as I would assume that the number of women having three, four, five, etc. abortions is statistically insignificant.
post #27 of 36
What does it say about me that, everytime this thread pops up in my "New Posts" thread, I start singing, "You're an UH-BOR-SHUUUUN Addict" to the tune of the Buzzcocks' "Orgasm Addict"?

Super sweet or not so much?
post #28 of 36
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ADMISSION OF GUILT: I did the same thing when I saw the original headline.
post #29 of 36
Um... me, too.

God, I love the Buzzcocks.
post #30 of 36
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ADMISSION OF GUILT: I did the same thing when I saw the original headline.
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Um... me, too.
So.. so, I'm really not alone?
I love you guys!
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God, I love the Buzzcocks.
It's only right, Zooey.
post #31 of 36
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Oh, goody. Now my hands are shaking.
post #33 of 36
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I'd love to volunteer for something like this but I have no idea where to start, especially without having to go somewhere miles away like the Inland Empire or SFV.
post #34 of 36
You'd be perfect for it, Jake. Scare the hell out of 'em.

Find a health center on the right.
post #35 of 36
Sorry for the double-post, but, better still, Jake, wanna come to Milwaukee?
post #36 of 36
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I just don't think there are that many people willing to picket in the metro LA area, but I could be surprised, I guess.

Also, those Milwaukeeans aren't suing for having plastic bottles of urine flung on them.....yet.
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