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Paul Haggis quits Scientology

post #1 of 29
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http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/paul...h-scientology/

This should be fun.

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Tommy,

As you know, for ten months now I have been writing to ask you to make
a public statement denouncing the actions of the Church of Scientology
of San Diego. Their public sponsorship of Proposition 8, a hate-filled
legislation that succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and
lesbian citizens of California – rights that were granted them by the
Supreme Court of our state – shames us.

I called and wrote and implored you, as the official spokesman of
the church, to condemn their actions. I told you I could not, in good
conscience, be a member of an organization where gay-bashing was
tolerated.

In that first conversation, back at the end of October of last year,
you told me you were horrified, that you would get to the bottom of it
and “heads would roll.” You promised action. Ten months passed. No action
was forthcoming. The best you offered was a weak and carefully worded
press release, which praised the church’s human rights record and took
no responsibility. Even that, you decided not to publish.

The church’s refusal to denounce the actions of these bigots,
hypocrites and homophobes is cowardly. I can think of no other word.
Silence is consent, Tommy. I refuse to consent.

I joined the Church of Scientology thirty-five years ago. During my
twenties and early thirties I studied and received a great deal of
counseling. While I have not been an active member for many years,
I found much of what I learned to be very helpful, and I still apply
it in my daily life. I have never pretended to be the best Scientologist,
but I openly and vigorously defended the church whenever it was criticized,
as I railed against the kind of intolerance that I believed was directed
against it. I had my disagreements, but I dealt with them internally.
I saw the organization – with all its warts, growing pains and
problems – as an underdog. And I have always had a thing for underdogs.

But I reached a point several weeks ago where I no longer knew what to
think. You had allowed our name to be allied with the worst elements of
the Christian Right. In order to contain a potential “PR flap” you
allowed our sponsorship of Proposition 8 to stand. Despite all the
church’s words about promoting freedom and human rights, its name is
now in the public record alongside those who promote bigotry and
intolerance, homophobia and fear.

The fact that the Mormon Church drew all the fire, that no one noticed,
doesn’t matter. I noticed. And I felt sick. I wondered how the church
could, in good conscience, through the action of a few and then the
inaction of its leadership, support a bill that strips a group of its
civil rights.

This was my state of mind when I was online doing research and chanced
upon an interview clip with you on CNN. The interview lasted maybe ten
minutes – it was just you and the newscaster. And in it I saw you deny
the church’s policy of disconnection. You said straight-out there was no
such policy, that it did not exist.

I was shocked. We all know this policy exists. I didn’t have to search
for verification – I didn’t have to look any further than my own home.

You might recall that my wife was ordered to disconnect from her parents
because of something absolutely trivial they supposedly did twenty-five
years ago when they resigned from the church. This is a lovely retired
couple, never said a negative word about Scientology to me or anyone
else I know – hardly raving maniacs or enemies of the church. In fact
it was they who introduced my wife to Scientology.

Although it caused her terrible personal pain, my wife broke off all
contact with them. I refused to do so. I’ve never been good at following
orders, especially when I find them morally reprehensible.

For a year and a half, despite her protestations, my wife did not speak
to her parents and they had limited access to their grandchild. It was a
terrible time.

That’s not ancient history, Tommy. It was a year ago.

And you could laugh at the question as if it was a joke? You could
publicly state that it doesn’t exist?

To see you lie so easily, I am afraid I had to ask myself: what else
are you lying about?

The great majority of Scientologists I know are good people who are
genuinely interested in improving conditions on this planet and helping
others. I have to believe that if they knew what I now know, they too
would be horrified. But I know how easy it was for me to defend our
organization and dismiss our critics, without ever truly looking at what
was being said; I did it for thirty-five years. And so, after writing
this letter, I am fully aware that some of my friends may choose to no
longer associate with me, or in some cases work with me. I will always
take their calls, as I always took yours. However, I have finally come
to the conclusion that I can no longer be a part of this group. Frankly,
I had to look no further than your refusal to denounce the church’s
anti-gay stance, and the indefensible actions, and inactions, of those
who condone this behavior within the organization. I am only ashamed
that I waited this many months to act. I hereby resign my membership in
the Church of Scientology.

Sincerely,

Paul Haggis
post #2 of 29
Christ. I don't even know what to think. I hate Paul haggis. I hate scientologists. I hate Prop 8. I like gays. Where do I fall on this?

Oh, wait...it's funny.
post #3 of 29
Great, we can now look forward to a ham fisted script about religious tolerance for gays. Unless the Scientologists get Haggis blacklisted in Hollywood. So there is a bright side to all of this...
post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
Or James Bond could battle a kooky cult...
post #5 of 29
Scientologists didn't co-write Casino Royale, so, reluctantly, Haggis > Scientology.
post #6 of 29
It's interesting that it didn't occur to him to leave the church after it ordered his wife to disconnect from her parents two years ago. I guess he was still rooting for the underdog.
post #7 of 29
For a glorious micro second I thought "Tommy" referred to Tom Cruise.
post #8 of 29
Oh, this is going to be so fucking fun.
post #9 of 29
I wish Haggis the best in his new career on the direct to video market.
post #10 of 29
What a crock of sh*t this is. The church has been anti-gay since it's inception and he is only now complaining about it? Hubbard was calling gays the worst sort of people for years:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_scie.htm

35 years in and he's never read any of those bits? Science of Survival is one of their core books, if he hasn't read it in 35 years he is a bad Scientologist by their standards. I know some celebrities are really out of touch when it comes to what the church is really about. They quite often have a santitized view of the religion provided to them by their Celebirty Centre handlers, but he wasn't a celebrity 35 years ago. Hell, before Crash, did anyone even know who this guy was? Only since Scientology has become unpalatable to the general public do you get to see defections and denouncements like this. Weak.
post #11 of 29
Haggis aint got nothin on South Park.
post #12 of 29
No matter how far you've gone down the wrong path, turn back.
- old proverb

Good job Paul.
post #13 of 29
I figured we have Travolta going on a big gay bender as the next big Scientology shake-up. But this works too.
post #14 of 29

Paul Haggis VS. The Church of Scientology - long piece from The New Yorker

 

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

Paul Haggis VS. The Church of Scientology - long piece from The New Yorker

 

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright


hrm, Iinky no worky...

post #16 of 29

These epically evil fuckers have just opened their largest base of operation in the southern hemisphere five minutes walk from my house...

 

melbourne_ribbon_pull.jpg

 

...me not happy.

post #17 of 29

Strange.  It works just fine for me.  Maybe just try googling it?  I tried and it gave me exactly the same link.

post #18 of 29

I guess it is my end. I can't get The New Yorker site to work at all. Maybe it's a Google Chrome thing.

post #19 of 29

I tried opening it on Chrome on my laptop and it loaded ok.  Hmm... I wonder what the deal is.

post #20 of 29

It's working for me now. Apparently the interwebs just wanted to make me look like a boob. Thank you for the link.

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

These epically evil fuckers have just opened their largest base of operation in the southern hemisphere five minutes walk from my house...


Cults always seem to get a disproportionate amount of hot chicks. Who also have issues. Look at this as an opportunity.

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

Paul Haggis VS. The Church of Scientology - long piece from The New Yorker

 

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright



Wow, seriously great fucking article. A long read but well worth it. Thanks nooj.

post #23 of 29

That article is pretty much the last word about that fucking cult. Though it does itself kind of a disservice making Paul Haggis the centerpiece of the title. The rabbit hole goes way deeper than him after a while.

post #24 of 29

But the focus of the article floats away from Haggis in the second half, so I don't see how he intrudes on the aim of exposing Scientology.  And anyway, its fascinating to read how he evolved from defendor to defector.  I also doubt most of us would've found it as interesting without the Haggis angle.  I'm sure most of us have read a ton of shit on Scientology already.  So, none of that really came as a surprise.  Its interesting that Haggis goes along with the religon despite his doubts.  I think most people are like this.  The community and sense of belonging trump suspicions that its all nonsense, regardless of which religon it is.  Yea, its a great article.  Very interesting.  Nice and long.  Had an article on the front page about the Central Bank Of Afghanistan that was also excellent.   

post #25 of 29

"and Sky Dayton, the founder of EarthLink"

 

Well, fuck.  Now I have to change the ISP I have had since I first got on the intarwebz in 1995.

post #26 of 29

Very long but very good article. I really don't know a lot about this cult (mind you that's probably a good thing). 

post #27 of 29

I've read up on quite a bit of this already, but it's still interesting. In other news, Tom Cruise's career is inching ever closer towards totally fucked up and gone.

post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

Tom Cruise's career is inching ever closer towards totally fucked up and gone.


Ya think?

post #29 of 29

GDT may be saving Cruises ass by casting him in Mountains of Madness

 

Something thats not mentioned in the article is Scientologists are allowed to lie to people on a lower theatan level.  Basically it means its okay for Scientologist to lie to non Scientologist.  Which is why I was a little surprised by Haggis' shock at some of the spin and lies his former religon told, since he should've been aware of this.

 

Interesting to note how Haggis confirms the practice of forcing people to confess all their secrets on paper, which is used against these people if need be.  I'd read about this but never knew if it was true.  It seems like all the accusations against Scientology are proving to be true.  Hopefully, the FBI can get them on something.

 

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