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post #1 of 20
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Hollywood backroom dealings blow DVD profits by keeping new releases out of consumers hands. These dumbass dinosaurs. Fuck em.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,1895851.story
post #2 of 20
eh...I'm all for getting some movies faster, but at least it's not a year..like it used to be.
post #3 of 20
I honestly don't know why they don't release blu-ray movies earlier?

I mean it pushes the format. Hell do what Disney is doing, and throw in the DVD if they're absolutely desperate for money, though I'd love just a blu-ray option.
post #4 of 20
The exhibitors need/want the revenue that might be lost from people deciding to just wait for video, and the studios need the exhibitors. The timing kinda screws them, but Sony needed to strike as the iron was hot as it was.

DVD sales might be a greater portion of revenue for films now, but that doesn't mean that theatrical is meaningless.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post
I honestly don't know why they don't release blu-ray movies earlier? I mean it pushes the format.
That's actually a good idea, I never thought of that. Why wouldn't they give some other incentive for buying a kind of expensive and completely unnecessary new player? I don't know if you came up with this or if its talked about a lot but you need a job at a Sony because that would definitely expand the market faster than promising a better picture that people didn't know they wanted.
post #6 of 20
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You either give the people what they want, or they take it from you. Here in the 21st century, the winner is going to be whoever says FU to the monopoly tactics and releases their content simultaneously across all formats desired by the consumers. Mark my words. It's going to happen soon, and whoever does it first is going to make a fortune, and everyone else is going to trip over themselves getting in line to do it right from now on.
post #7 of 20
Isn't that operating under the assumption that pirates would be legit consumers if they had easier access to legit material rather than pirated stuff?

I suppose that worked for music, but what's the percentage of movie pirates that that's true for?
post #8 of 20
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If you won't make something available to the consumers who want it, F that cryin when they get it some other way. And kudos to anyone who takes the money you leave on the table.

"DVDs on the shelf" is an outdated joke already. Hollywood already missed the opportunity to simultaneously release DVDs to retail with theatrical premiers. Now they have to go directly online if they really want to do it right.

Theater owners are deep in the tar pit. The new model for a theater is primarily digital, and involves knowing your local audience well enough that you book a lot of different niche programming.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by cfMC View Post
If you won't make something available to the consumers who want it, F that cryin when they get it some other way. And kudos to anyone who takes the money you leave on the table.
I don't see them saying that they won't make something available though. Just not immediately, although in the case of THIS IS IT, it is available immediately. In theaters.

And you're saying that it's okay to pirate, simply because the studio won't release something when YOU want it? I suppose that holds if your neighbor wants your stereo too.

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"DVDs on the shelf" is an outdated joke already. Hollywood already missed the opportunity to simultaneously release DVDs to retail with theatrical premiers. Now they have to go directly online if they really want to do it right.
Oh, so it would have been a really easy negotation with theaters to get that to happen?

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Theater owners are deep in the tar pit. The new model for a theater is primarily digital, and involves knowing your local audience well enough that you book a lot of different niche programming.
Right, because I'm sure that the "local audience" wants to watch niche indie movie over Transformers 2.

Where is your evidence that this new business model works?
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by cfMC View Post
If you won't make something available to the consumers who want it, F that cryin when they get it some other way. And kudos to anyone who takes the money you leave on the table.

"DVDs on the shelf" is an outdated joke already. Hollywood already missed the opportunity to simultaneously release DVDs to retail with theatrical premiers. Now they have to go directly online if they really want to do it right.

Theater owners are deep in the tar pit. The new model for a theater is primarily digital, and involves knowing your local audience well enough that you book a lot of different niche programming.
First, your advocating of piracy is pretty shitty. You can rationalize all you want, but piracy is wrong. I know the people running this site feel the same way as well.

In regards to your in-depth and well thought out model for theaters, you really think the success of theatrical viewings depends on niche programming??? I guess "Transformers 2" and "The Dark Knight" were not profitable for the chains using digital screenings in your mind. You're right. The multiplexes should be playing showings of Matthew Barney's "The Cremaster Cycle" instead. That would solve everything.

edit: I just noticed Neoolong already voiced some of the opinions I shared.
post #11 of 20
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It's an affront to consumers who don't want to subject themselves to the hell of theater going in this day and age, to bombard them with advertising for your shitty movie, and yet deny them the ability to view it the way they want to view it. That's abusing your patrons. And it's shortsighted and leaves money on the table. Many/Most of those people are not going to watch your shitty movie months later on DVD. Whereas they might have watched it online in the first place when it was being advertised and part of a cultural moment because of a marketing campaign.

The Internet has taught people that in terms of the Content that is just about the only thing that the USA manufactures at all any more, false shortages /etc of marketing plans past don't fly. People get online and they get what they want. They aren't F ing around waiting for you.

Again, it's a matter of monopoly and cowardliness on the part of entrenched Hollywood interests (ie not at all in the consumers' interest). And it will all rot in a blink the first time some visionary gives the masses something they want at once across platforms and makes a killing.

The Old Men in Suits are terrified of course because Content is like a fart in the air, and people know it and just laugh at the days when one could pretend otherwise. People now don't want to hear the crying over distribution costs of film and DVDs. They simply don't care. They know they can turn on the computer and watch that movie right where they are right now. Shipping film cannisters and shrinkwrapped DVDs is not the consumers problem.

Think people will still buy DVDs after the Great Depression II? Think again I says.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post
That's actually a good idea, I never thought of that. Why wouldn't they give some other incentive for buying a kind of expensive and completely unnecessary new player? I don't know if you came up with this or if its talked about a lot but you need a job at a Sony because that would definitely expand the market faster than promising a better picture that people didn't know they wanted.
Well the internet is a vast space, so I'm sure someone must of had the same idea, but I've always believed that there were many advantages to what made DVD succeed and while blu-ray can't use all of them, they should try to create some reasons. So umm thanks.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by cfMC View Post
It's an affront to consumers who don't want to subject themselves to the hell of theater going in this day and age, to bombard them with advertising for your shitty movie, and yet deny them the ability to view it the way they want to view it. That's abusing your patrons. And it's shortsighted and leaves money on the table. Many/Most of those people are not going to watch your shitty movie months later on DVD. Whereas they might have watched it online in the first place when it was being advertised and part of a cultural moment because of a marketing campaign.

The Internet has taught people that in terms of the Content that is just about the only thing that the USA manufactures at all any more, false shortages /etc of marketing plans past don't fly. People get online and they get what they want. They aren't F ing around waiting for you.

Again, it's a matter of monopoly and cowardliness on the part of entrenched Hollywood interests (ie not at all in the consumers' interest). And it will all rot in a blink the first time some visionary gives the masses something they want at once across platforms and makes a killing.

The Old Men in Suits are terrified of course because Content is like a fart in the air, and people know it and just laugh at the days when one could pretend otherwise. People now don't want to hear the crying over distribution costs of film and DVDs. They simply don't care. They know they can turn on the computer and watch that movie right where they are right now. Shipping film cannisters and shrinkwrapped DVDs is not the consumers problem.

Think people will still buy DVDs after the Great Depression II? Think again I says.
The Church of Scientology called. They want their craziness back.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post
That's actually a good idea, I never thought of that. Why wouldn't they give some other incentive for buying a kind of expensive and completely unnecessary new player? I don't know if you came up with this or if its talked about a lot but you need a job at a Sony because that would definitely expand the market faster than promising a better picture that people didn't know they wanted.
I'm fairly sure that it's not adoption of the tech so much. People buying DVD players now buy BD players. We'll also see how things shake out for the holidays.

It's the discs that aren't selling so hot, and while earlier releases might sell more copies of the blu-rays, it's not going to help on the catalog titles.
post #15 of 20
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You're all wrong about Blu Ray. NOBODY gives a fuck about Blu Ray, except for the most backward assed early adoptive nerds who still have money. To cool kids, a DVD or a Blu Ray disc (what the fuck ever) is no different than an 8 Track Tape. It's a sign that you are an old man from another era. Who wants to F around with a disc or some shit to watch something? Only old timers. The kids know that Content is a fart and that fart should be on your ipod, in your TV in your computer, in your hardrive, in the Cloud already so they can watch when they want and where they want whenever they want and however they want, anytime they want. And that has nothing to do with keeping track of discs or holding off on watching something because some twat in a backoffice thinks it's still a good idea to use marketing strategies from the 1980s.
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by cfMC View Post
You're all wrong about Blu Ray. NOBODY gives a fuck about Blu Ray, except for the most backward assed early adoptive nerds who still have money. To cool kids, a DVD or a Blu Ray disc (what the fuck ever) is no different than an 8 Track Tape. It's a sign that you are an old man from another era. Who wants to F around with a disc or some shit to watch something? Only old timers. The kids know that Content is a fart and that fart should be on your ipod, in your TV in your computer, in your hardrive, in the Cloud already so they can watch when they want and where they want whenever they want and however they want, anytime they want. And that has nothing to do with keeping track of discs or holding off on watching something because some twat in a backoffice thinks it's still a good idea to use marketing strategies from the 1980s.
Well this just confirms that you are trolling on these boards. If you took 10 fucking seconds to google statistics about blu-ray players, you could see that they're being adopted faster than DVD players originally were (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3494).

And your comments about "Who wants F around with a disc or some shit to watch something?"...Wow. First, maybe look into using a thesaurus, or go back to elementary school to brush up on your vocabulary. And second, you just sound like a lazy prick. A lazy prick that is trolling these boards by insulting people and posting irrational arguments just to be contrary.
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
Listen jerkoff, YOU are the one who has been trolling me. You've trolled me in multiple threads. I've tried to ignore your dumb ass. If you don't like my line of reasoning, that's fine, but your repeated personal attacks on me are not fucking cool. Just fuck off and don't reply to me if you don't like me. Or go on back to fucking your dog or whatever it is you do when you aren't being a shithead on the Internets.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by cfMC View Post
Listen jerkoff, YOU are the one who has been trolling me. You've trolled me in multiple threads. I've tried to ignore your dumb ass. If you don't like my line of reasoning, that's fine, but your repeated personal attacks on me are not fucking cool. Just fuck off and don't reply to me if you don't like me. Or go on back to fucking your dog or whatever it is you do when you aren't being a shithead on the Internets.
No. I replied when you were being a jerk in the Trick 'R Treat thread, and now I just pointed out that your response in this thread was not accurate. You stated NOBODY cares about blu-ray. Obviously you are wrong about that based on the article I linked to. Also, there's a thread on chud devoted to blu-rays. I'm assuming that the people posting on there care about blu-rays as well. When you post that only old farts care about blu-rays, directly after another member states blu-ray players are being purchased by people, you are obviously trying to stir up shit.

Your points are invalid, and you have a nasty habit of name calling. If you want to be grown up, and sometimes include evidence or rational reasoning in your posts, I will welcome discussion with you. But when you go on a tirade that includes nothing but your own (inaccurate) ideas about something, and claim that its gospel, its not trolling to call you out on it.

So to recap:

- I've replied to posts by you in TWO threads. Is TWO threads multiple threads, or is it a COUPLE threads?
- Your posts in this thread were inaccurate and insulting to other members.
- You provided no proof to your unwarranted claims.
- You have advocated piracy in this thread.

And that is all I have to say to you.
post #19 of 20
Well, this thread has become massively entertaining. I think we can all agree on two things:

1) cfMC is probably right about at-home movies becoming completely downloadable or streaming, thus making discs irrelevant at some point in the future. And...

2) cfMC comes across as a raving lunatic douchebag.
post #20 of 20
ahahaha did this overly hostile dipshit really get banned?

Anyway, I agree with the streaming media concept, but that's a gigantic "Duh, no shit". Don't agree with the piracy angle, but what happens happens and there's a percentage of piracy that's just going to be inevitable because a handful of people reaaaally like free stuff.

I read a brief blog where someone mentioned the XBOX 360 possibly going with solely streaming/discless content in the next generation. Is there any truth to that, or is it just conjecture at this point?
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