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post #501 of 570
12/6/10 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by Joe View Post
Kelly has the biggest upside, while Rizzo is the "surest thing". Both are predicted to be in San Diego by the end of 2011, right around their 22nd birthdays. This trade also pushes Kyle Blanks, AGon's former replacement, to the outfield, once he recovers from Tommy John surgery.

I could barely contain myself today, seeing AGon being introduced and wearing a Sox uniform.
I have to say that I doubt Kelly or Rizzo will be in San Diego in 2011. Both are still very young (21) and they haven't played any AAA ball. In fact Kelly struggled a bit last year, which was expected because he was playing advanced competition and it was his first full year of pitching. Rizzo himself is only about 2 years removed from cancer, so I think they're more of mid to late-season 2012 call ups.

Fuentes could be the next Ellsbury, but he too is very young and I wouldn't expect him in the bigs until at least 2014. This trade really was about restocking San Diego's farm, not about competing in 2011 at all, and on that front I think the Pad's were successful.

That being said, Gonzilla is going to absolutely rake in Fenway.
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post #502 of 570
12/6/10 at 5:47pm
D-Backs trade Mark Reynolds to the Orioles so that Kevin Towers can prove he was serious about not putting up with so many strikeouts. The only man in baseball history with 200 K's in a year, and he's done it THREE TIMES. I'm curious if they're serious about the possibility of trading Upton too. Upton strikes out too much but his upside is insane, whereas Reynolds hasn't shown any ability to not strike out. Swing for the fences every time, connect and you win.
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post #503 of 570
12/6/10 at 6:02pm
Gonzalez to the Sox and Worth leaving the Phils. Giants haven't done much of anything save for swapping out Uribe for Tejada and yet they're still looking better and better each day.
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post #504 of 570
12/6/10 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post
D-Backs trade Mark Reynolds to the Orioles so that Kevin Towers can prove he was serious about not putting up with so many strikeouts. The only man in baseball history with 200 K's in a year, and he's done it THREE TIMES. I'm curious if they're serious about the possibility of trading Upton too. Upton strikes out too much but his upside is insane, whereas Reynolds hasn't shown any ability to not strike out. Swing for the fences every time, connect and you win.
That is one hell of a line for last year. .198 BA, 211 Ks, 32 HRs. I'm not sure how that's even possible.

I'd love to see his 2010 Strat-O-Matic card next year.
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post #505 of 570
12/7/10 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Count Floyd View Post
That is one hell of a line for last year. .198 BA, 211 Ks, 32 HRs. I'm not sure how that's even possible.

I'd love to see his 2010 Strat-O-Matic card next year.
He was supposedly hurt last year, and his BA should be more in the .260 range for who he is. I took my 10 year old daughter to some games last year and the first time Mark Reynolds came up to bat I told her that he would either strike out or hit a home run. She chose home run, I chose strikeout. I was right. The next time he was up we both chose strikeout. We were right. She got bored with the game after that, it was too easy.
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post #506 of 570
12/9/10 at 2:23am
Holy crap, the Red Sox just signed Carl Crawford for 7 years and $142 million. The flood gates have opened, now they may as well go for Lee and Soriano and Downs.
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post #507 of 570
12/9/10 at 2:29am
Thursday's Boston Globe headline: "Sox Say 'Fuck It,' Sign Every Available Free Agent."

Is this what it feels like to be a Yankees fan? I feel like I'm dirty and now I need to shower in champagne.
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post #508 of 570
12/9/10 at 3:11am
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Originally Posted by The K Man View Post
Is this what it feels like to be a Yankees fan?
I don't use emoticons, how do you do one of them there eye rolls?
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post #509 of 570
12/9/10 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
I don't use emoticons, how do you do one of them there eye rolls?
Why? What exactly are you objecting to?
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post #510 of 570
12/9/10 at 5:14am
Fuck Boston.
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post #511 of 570
12/9/10 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken View Post
Why? What exactly are you objecting to?
Is there an emoticon that translates to "take a wild guess"?
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post #512 of 570
12/9/10 at 8:49am
It also turns out that Boston had one of those 7 year offers out there to Cliff Lee. It was for less money per year, but it was mainly to drive up the price for the Yankees. Needless to say, the offer is off the table now.

They just need 1 or two bullpen arms and they're set. Good play, Boston!
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post #513 of 570
12/9/10 at 12:20pm
It's on like Donkey Kong now. This is playing out exactly like Wargames except if the computer had actually won and the missles had been fired. How soon before Hal goes 10 years/300 million to Lee? Zack Greinke, we'll take you too. Those little anxiety issues will work themselves out. Fuck it, lets resign Wood and sign Soriano as the 7th inning guy.

P.S. Is it too late to trade for Halladay?
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post #514 of 570
12/9/10 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by The K Man View Post
Is this what it feels like to be a Yankees fan? I feel like I'm dirty and now I need to shower in champagne.
It's not cute when Red Sox fans try to keep pretending they're baseball lower/middle class. News flash for you: the rest of the country views you and the Yankees as identical in regards to overspending. We discount your victories and we revel in your failures. Congratulations on being what you hate.
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post #515 of 570
12/9/10 at 1:10pm
The Yankees and SOX are both fucking ridiculous. But, it takes money to make money I guess.
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post #516 of 570
12/9/10 at 1:16pm
AL East circa 2016 is going to be hilaaaaarious.
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post #517 of 570
12/9/10 at 2:01pm
This is what Theo was doing while Cashman was screwing around with Jeter.
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post #518 of 570
12/9/10 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post
It's not cute when Red Sox fans try to keep pretending they're baseball lower/middle class. News flash for you: the rest of the country views you and the Yankees as identical in regards to overspending. We discount your victories and we revel in your failures. Congratulations on being what you hate.
If anything I've been mad that the Sox haven't been keeping up with the Yanks in the arms race. The last time the Sox gave out a $100 million dollar contract was Manny. The Sox are the Yankees are in another league, and I'm just glad the Sox are finally doing what it takes to keep up.
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post #519 of 570
12/9/10 at 2:51pm
Seriously, fuck that shit. It's almost embarrassing to the league how almost every top tier free agent eventually ends up in one of those two franchises. This is why the Nationals had to overpay so much to get a decent player to come to their organization.
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post #520 of 570
12/9/10 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
Seriously, fuck that shit. It's almost embarrassing to the league how almost every top tier free agent eventually ends up in one of those two franchises. This is why the Nationals had to overpay so much to get a decent player to come to their organization.
I agree. As a Sox fan it's wonderful knowing my team has a lot more money to spend, but there really should be a salary floor and a salary cap. It was nice seeing a team like the Giants come out of nowhere to win this year, and I'm glad teams like Texas are starting to become elite, but something needs to be done to create a bit more parody in the league.
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post #521 of 570
12/10/10 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by The K Man View Post
...but something needs to be done to create a bit more parody in the league.
Now that's funny.

Seriously, baseball allows it, every owner is filthy rich, so too damn bad the Sox made the trade and the signing. As someone pointed out above, these are the first $100 million contracts given out by Boston since 2000 (if AGon extends in April). A LOT of huge contracts have been given out by the other "woe is me" teams sine then. Suck it.

Speaking of parity, look at how many different teams won or played in the World Series in the 2000's.
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post #522 of 570
12/10/10 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post
It's not cute when Red Sox fans try to keep pretending they're baseball lower/middle class.
Most Sox fans, or at least the ones I know, don't actually feel this way anymore. And of the ones I know that do still feel that way, arguably it's because they're that entrenched in the past that they can't shake that sense of identity.

I understand how big a deal the acquisitions are for the Sox, but all of this sudden "World Series" talk is still absurd and way, way premature. Maybe it's not off base. Maybe October will roll around and the people saying it will be proven right. I still don't like counting my chickens before they hatch, even if my eggs are really fucking amazing, and I feel like this is a set up for disappointment.
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post #523 of 570
12/10/10 at 12:47pm
Yeah I don't know anybody who still thinks we're the downtrodden lower class anymore. We still hate the Yankees, of course, but that goes a lot deeper than how much money each club spends.
Basically, we suffered for 86 fucking years. Who gives a crap if we spend like nuts to make sure that doesn't happen again. Half (or more) the reason we can do that is because the club's so popular.
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post #524 of 570
12/12/10 at 9:23pm
Jon Heyman:

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strong signs there's a 3rd team still involved with cliff lee. but the conventional wisdom remains #yankees or #rangers
So basically the only way Heyman is wrong here is if Lee signs with a basketball team. Way to put yourself out there.
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post #525 of 570
12/12/10 at 9:31pm
I've got a feeling that we are looking at Kevin Brown Part Deux with the Yankee's proposed seven year offer to Lee.
And as a Yankee hater, that would make me very happy.
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post #526 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:10am
Hmmm... Yanks are out of the Cliff Lee race according to ESPN.
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post #527 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:15am
Cliff Lee to Phillies

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/1...cliff-lee.html

yay
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post #528 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:18am
Holy shit... that's a rotation.
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post #529 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:19am
Halladay/Lee/Oswalt/Hamels. Yowsers.

What's even better is that the Yankees' big offseason signing was a 36 year-old Derek Jeter.
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post #530 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:19am
Phillies Vs. Red Sox in the World Series. Big defense vs. big offense.
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post #531 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:35am
No worries, Giants own Lee.
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post #532 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:43am
Disclaimer: This question is completely snark-free.

What do the Yankees do now about pitching?
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post #533 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:45am
The big options are Pettitte, Greinke, Pavano, and now it seems, Blanton.

Pettite's eying retirement, NY is on Greinke's no-trade list, and Pavano and NY have bad blood.

I think they'll throw a lot of money at Pettite for one more year.
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post #534 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:47am
Hopefully Pettitte retires, and CC opts out after 2011.
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post #535 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:53am
Greinke: You have to give up Montero, plus more to get him. Not to mention his anxiety issues could be trouble.

Pettite: At some point age catches up to him, and if it's this season, that could be bad bad bad.

Pavano: *Dr. Cox* Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.

Here is my solution: Joba.

ETA: Is there anyone in the farm system who could come up?
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post #536 of 570
12/14/10 at 3:06am
I would love to see Joba face the new Sox lefties.

I have heard of some young pitchers in the Yankee system, but none that are ready to step up just yet. I hear Joe Blanton is available.
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post #537 of 570
12/14/10 at 10:57am
Joba would do fine against those lefties, as long as his mind isn't on his mom going to the stir or something.

The problem the Yankees face is the same as it ever was - pitchers, even great ones, tend to crack up in the Big apple. A guy like Lee who has shown he can handle the pressure would be ideal - but that deal they were offering would've been even worse than A-Rod's.

They throw the bank at Pettite, and hopefully Burnett has a better year...Yeah, right.
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post #538 of 570
12/14/10 at 11:04am
So Blanton may have already been traded...to the Red Sox?!? Either they're going to spin him off to another team, or they're trading Dice-K.
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post #539 of 570
12/14/10 at 11:23am
Doesn't Dice K make roughly the same amount of money as Blanton? That would kind of defeat the purpose of trading Blanton.

And Fuck Philadelphia.
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post #540 of 570
12/14/10 at 11:25am
Yeah they're similar, but Blanton gives up much less walks. But it seems like I may have spoken way too soon, as it's being said that deal was only "discussed."
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post #541 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:13pm
CAn't the Yankees and their fans just face the fact that they're going to have an off year and may even miss the playoffs.
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post #542 of 570
12/14/10 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
CAn't the Yankees and their fans just face the fact that they're going to have an off year and may even miss the playoffs.
They're gonna return almost the same team that won 95 games and the Wild Card last year. With the demise of Tampa, I don't think the Yanks are gonna have much of a down year, unfortunately.
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post #543 of 570
12/14/10 at 4:02pm
I'm REALLY surprised he went back to the Phillies. I figured if he was going to leave Texas (where he supposedly wanted to return to no matter what), the Yankees would be it.
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post #544 of 570
12/14/10 at 10:56pm
The Yankees have exactly ONE pitcher who you would feel good about throwing out every five days, Sabathia. Pettitte is a question mark even if he comes back. Hughes is solid and will improve, but is inconsistent. Nova has potential but is young. Burnett is a mess. There are no more free agents whom the Yankees can sign at this point that will make much of a difference. I think they will kick the tires on Grienke but don't pull the trigger on a deal. I have no basis for what I am about to say but I think the Yanks end up with Felix Hernandez at some point in 2011. I think Cashman gives Seattle the Godfather offer, something like Montero, Joba, Nova, player D and player E.
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post #545 of 570
12/14/10 at 11:02pm
Lee looks like a coward, who'd rather go to the NL and be a big fish in a small pond rather than pitch in the AL East. [/YankeeBias]
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post #546 of 570
12/15/10 at 3:03am
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Originally Posted by bob loblaw View Post
I have no basis for what I am about to say but I think the Yanks end up with Felix Hernandez at some point in 2011. I think Cashman gives Seattle the Godfather offer, something like Montero, Joba, Nova, player D and player E.
Seattle would get a good laugh at that one. Last year, the Sox told Seattle to pick any five from the following:

Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden, Justin Masterson, Daniel Bard, Nick Hagadone, Felix Doubront, Josh Reddick, Yamaico Navarro

and Seattle said no. Plus, there was another rumored 3-way between Boston/Seattle/San Diego, with Seattle getting AGon, King Felix going to Boston, San Diego getting prospects...no deal.
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post #547 of 570
12/15/10 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by Joe View Post
Seattle would get a good laugh at that one. Last year, the Sox told Seattle to pick any five from the following:

Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden, Justin Masterson, Daniel Bard, Nick Hagadone, Felix Doubront, Josh Reddick, Yamaico Navarro

and Seattle said no. Plus, there was another rumored 3-way between Boston/Seattle/San Diego, with Seattle getting AGon, King Felix going to Boston, San Diego getting prospects...no deal.
Before last year Buchholz had not been great and Bard was a relatively unproven commodity. But if what you are saying is true, and Seattle had a chance to redo that deal you don't think they would pluck Bard and Buchholz for Hernandez? They would be crazy not to. Montero is one of the top prospects in baseball at a position of need. Joba has shown that he can be great (personally I think he just needs to get out of NY). Even if the Yanks had to go Hughes & Montero for Hernandez, Seattle would have to listen. Plus how many more 1-0 games does Hernandez lose before he starts bitching that he wants out of Seattle anyway?
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post #548 of 570
12/15/10 at 1:44pm
From everything I've read, it seems defensively that Montero is one of the worst catchers there is. His bat is incredible, but his body type and skills project as a first-basemen DH type. I don't think too many other teams view him as a catcher, and in the future I doubt the Yanks will too.

If the Yankees offered me Hughes and Montero, I'd tell them to sweeten it a little more and then I would take it.
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post #549 of 570
12/15/10 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by Jcassady View Post
Lee looks like a coward, who'd rather go to the NL and be a big fish in a small pond rather than pitch in the AL East. [/YankeeBias]
According to Colin Cowherd, a lot had to do with his son who is recovering from Leukemia and the fact that Philly has one of the best children's hospitals in the world.

You jerk.
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post #550 of 570
12/15/10 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by bob loblaw View Post
Before last year Buchholz had not been great and Bard was a relatively unproven commodity. But if what you are saying is true, and Seattle had a chance to redo that deal you don't think they would pluck Bard and Buchholz for Hernandez? They would be crazy not to. Montero is one of the top prospects in baseball at a position of need. Joba has shown that he can be great (personally I think he just needs to get out of NY). Even if the Yanks had to go Hughes & Montero for Hernandez, Seattle would have to listen. Plus how many more 1-0 games does Hernandez lose before he starts bitching that he wants out of Seattle anyway?
Yes, I believe if Seattle could have a do-over, they'd make that trade. And you are right, at the time, Buchholz wasn't the ace he is now (although he had a fantastic 2nd-half to 2008), and Bard was raw. But Masterson and Hagadone got the Sox VMart in 2009, and even with the issues of B&B, that's still a ridiculous trade for both sides.

As for Montero, I've heard the same things about his defensive issues. He can rake, but isn't much of a C. Yet. It's gonna be interesting to see what the Yanks do, but they are still a great team. I'm hoping this is CC's last year in pinstripes, personally.
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