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post #1501 of 1923

Google and Samsung. 

 

Staying classy.

 

For real.  Not in some stupid hipster sense.

post #1502 of 1923

I think what they meant to say is, "We don't think we'd get the press coverage we want."

post #1503 of 1923

So I'm very lightly thinking of buying the Galaxy Nexus when it comes to AT&T...almost. I know I cant afford the probably 600 dollars it would cost me to buy it at this point in my contract...but damn I want this phone.

post #1504 of 1923

I have watched some leaked videos of Ice Cream Sandwich running on the new Nexus. I've never wanted to buy a phone so much in my life.

post #1505 of 1923

I am glad I waited for the nexus prime galaxy droid or whatever they want to call it.

 

The idea of a pure ICS OS with no bloatware is really attractive.  I also like the fact that the phone is more proportional to the GALAXY SII than the brick that is the BIONIC.

 

I am a little shocked the rear camera is only 5 megapixels, but it does record 1080p video...

 

Now its just a matter of Samsung officially announcing this shit!

post #1506 of 1923

Pure Ice Cream Sandwich/Android 4.0 looks to be the sexiest version of Android ever. Even if the Atrix doesnt get it officially, the amazing developer community that exists will bring it to the device. I just unlocked the bootloader and flashed ClockworkMod Recovery and CyanogenMod 7 on my Atrix today...holy crap does this phone become even more of a monster when unlocked! I had CyanogenMod on my Droid back in the day, and its only gotten better since then! The version of Cyanogen for the Atrix is still in Beta, so there's a lot of room for it to grow when it gets to RC status and then to a full release!

post #1507 of 1923

I like the thought of jumping to a pure Android experience as well.  I love Sense and would absolutely buy many more HTC phones but just to try it I'm thinking of this Nexus phone unless of course the Verizon version comes loaded down with Verizon's bullshit software which everyone is speculating will happen.  If so then it will be the Vigor(Incredible HD?) for me.

 

Also, I'm not so sure about Samsung when it comes to phones.  They have been real sketchy about concrete release dates and from what i understand they don't update for shit.  Of course, the phone being a Nexus that ought to mitigate that last fear but I'm not certain just yet.

post #1508 of 1923

Yeah, Samsung's OS upgrade track record is horrible.  But if you get a 'Nexus' device, you can be slightly more confident in the timeliness of upgrades.

post #1509 of 1923

That I understand but something feels off about this Verizon exclusivity to the Prime for whatever time period the rumours are flying about with.  Knowing Verizon they will hamstring this thing with bloatware and fuck with updates.

post #1510 of 1923

Well, if they let carriers start watering down their Nexus devices then I don't see why people would keep being interested in them.

post #1511 of 1923

So any word on when Gingerbread (2.3) is officially coming out for the G2x?

post #1512 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post

So any word on when Gingerbread (2.3) is officially coming out for the G2x?



 

Ummm...

post #1513 of 1923
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post





 

Ummm...



 

I'm used to just having my phone auto-update the OS, so I find this rather roundabout method of updating to be way unnecessary. For example, I don't own a frickin' PC. Don't mean to get snippy, I'm finding this process a bit frustrating.

post #1514 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Fazer View Post

I am glad I waited for the nexus prime galaxy droid or whatever they want to call it.

 

The idea of a pure ICS OS with no bloatware is really attractive.  I also like the fact that the phone is more proportional to the GALAXY SII than the brick that is the BIONIC.

 

I am a little shocked the rear camera is only 5 megapixels, but it does record 1080p video...

 

Now its just a matter of Samsung officially announcing this shit!


I have been holding on an upgrade since May. I was waiting for the Bionic, but the reviews are not good as they should be. I contemplated the Samsung Charge and the LG Revolution, but I hemmed and hawed. I saw a friend with the Galaxy SII, but then it is not on Verizon. Living in the mountains, my carrier choices are limited by what works best for work and home.I hope on all that is holy that the Nexus  comes out sooner rather than later.

 

post #1515 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post

 

I'm used to just having my phone auto-update the OS, so I find this rather roundabout method of updating to be way unnecessary. For example, I don't own a frickin' PC. Don't mean to get snippy, I'm finding this process a bit frustrating.



I don't know how T-Mobile does things but it looks like it went OTA a few months ago.  Might want to call them up and ask why your phone didn't update because it should have.

post #1516 of 1923
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Originally Posted by MrTyres View Post

I have been holding on an upgrade since May. I was waiting for the Bionic, but the reviews are not good as they should be. I contemplated the Samsung Charge and the LG Revolution, but I hemmed and hawed. I saw a friend with the Galaxy SII, but then it is not on Verizon. Living in the mountains, my carrier choices are limited by what works best for work and home.I hope on all that is holy that the Nexus  comes out sooner rather than later.

 



You will have made a good decision on waiting to use that upgrade. From everything I've heard about the Prime/Galaxy Nexus it will be one hell of a phone and well worth the wait. It shouldnt be much longer of a wait though...the rumor on release is november 3rd.

post #1517 of 1923

So, I wiped and reinstalled a new ROM on my phone, and it's like I upgraded to a brand new device. Faster, the camera takes better pics, the battery life is great, and it's smooth like butter. I just love that I could be at the point of total frustration and tossing my phone in a toilet, install a new ROM, and the love affair begins all over again.

 

 

post #1518 of 1923
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Originally Posted by CocoaSugarbaker View Post

So, I wiped and reinstalled a new ROM on my phone, and it's like I upgraded to a brand new device. Faster, the camera takes better pics, the battery life is great, and it's smooth like butter. I just love that I could be at the point of total frustration and tossing my phone in a toilet, install a new ROM, and the love affair begins all over again.

 

 


Blasphemy!!!

 

Having total control over your device instead of being herded into the shearing booth once a year while your device causes you hours of frustration because everyone is trying to do the same thing you are at exactly the same time?

 

Blasphemy I say!

 

post #1519 of 1923

So I ran the update after installing the app and drivers... Yeah, this is a huge improvement on almost every level. Given how crucial 2.3 is for G2x performance and features, I'm kind of irritated that I had to jump through hoops to get the update. It is situations like this that make me want to migrate over to the iPhone. I mean, the next OS update is on the horizon and I'm only getting this shit now? Fucking terrible UX.

post #1520 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post

So I ran the update after installing the app and drivers... Yeah, this is a huge improvement on almost every level. Given how crucial 2.3 is for G2x performance and features, I'm kind of irritated that I had to jump through hoops to get the update. It is situations like this that make me want to migrate over to the iPhone. I mean, the next OS update is on the horizon and I'm only getting this shit now? Fucking terrible UX.


I remain flummoxed over what you are actually upset about.  The update you wanted/required went OTA.  You should not have had the problems you did.  What about T-Mobile is the problem because the problem isn't Android.  I am also assuming the G2X uses an LG proprietary skin/UI which will further slow your updates again not because of Android/Google but the OEM.  I suffer the same problem because of HTC and Sense(I have yet to receive Gingerbread and indeed the GB update for the Incredible was scrapped mere days after release because it caused so many problems) however the Sense experience for me mitigates the wait time between updates because I find it to be incredibly intuitive and useful.

 

And I absolutely agree that Android OEM's are pushing an ever expanding boundary of hardware and getting lost in these spec wars are the fact that the software isn't optimized yet for much of the next gen tech.  ICS should lay much of these problems to bed though if rumours are to be believed.


Sense remains a well done UI and apparently between Gingerbread/ICS and 3.0/3.5 many of the problems of previous iterations have been nearly successfully ironed out.  Blur is going by the wayside because it sucks.  TouchWiz is shite because it apes iOS and lawsuits might put an end to it anyway.  Not sure what LG terms its skin but the frustration you feel should be directed at LG and T-Mobile, not Android/Google.

post #1521 of 1923
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Originally Posted by CocoaSugarbaker View Post

So, I wiped and reinstalled a new ROM on my phone, and it's like I upgraded to a brand new device. Faster, the camera takes better pics, the battery life is great, and it's smooth like butter. I just love that I could be at the point of total frustration and tossing my phone in a toilet, install a new ROM, and the love affair begins all over again.

 

 

It's amazing what a new ROM can do for a phone. I love my Atrix, but only just the other day went ahead and unlocked the bootloader and flashed CyanogenMod on it. I had gotten bored with my stock phone and knew CM would make me love it again!
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post #1522 of 1923

I really need to root this INC.

post #1523 of 1923
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

I remain flummoxed over what you are actually upset about.  The update you wanted/required went OTA.  You should not have had the problems you did.  What about T-Mobile is the problem because the problem isn't Android.  I am also assuming the G2X uses an LG proprietary skin/UI which will further slow your updates again not because of Android/Google but the OEM.  I suffer the same problem because of HTC and Sense(I have yet to receive Gingerbread and indeed the GB update for the Incredible was scrapped mere days after release because it caused so many problems) however the Sense experience for me mitigates the wait time between updates because I find it to be incredibly intuitive and useful.

 

And I absolutely agree that Android OEM's are pushing an ever expanding boundary of hardware and getting lost in these spec wars are the fact that the software isn't optimized yet for much of the next gen tech.  ICS should lay much of these problems to bed though if rumours are to be believed.


Sense remains a well done UI and apparently between Gingerbread/ICS and 3.0/3.5 many of the problems of previous iterations have been nearly successfully ironed out.  Blur is going by the wayside because it sucks.  TouchWiz is shite because it apes iOS and lawsuits might put an end to it anyway.  Not sure what LG terms its skin but the frustration you feel should be directed at LG and T-Mobile, not Android/Google.




Just so we're clear, I'm not blaming anybody in particular. But this total lack of clarity on division of responsibility is exactly what made PC ownership so aggravating back in the day, and why Apple is doing better than ever. Since I've always owned Apple products this is new territory for me, but to see the same old PC problems plague the non-Apple smartphone market, when this has been a known issue for many years, is almost inexcusable.

 

The G2x runs on vanilla android. No custom skins or anything, just a couple of non-removable multimedia apps are pre-installed. I have no idea why it took so long to get 2.3 running on my phone, much less why T-Mobile or LG didn't bother implementing a smoother upgrade process. My phone has a "check for system updates" button and it failed to find the update. Any which way you slice it, that is a major tool that is broken.

 

So when I say it is a shitty UX, I'm not blaming the android development team but pointing out a glaring flaw in the overall user experience. Considering I've never had to do anything like this on any cell phone I've ever owned, it is an objective step backwards. And because I'm really powerless to do anything about it, I'm grousing here. ;)

post #1524 of 1923

Gotcha.  Dig it.

post #1525 of 1923

Depending on the makers of the roms, they seem far more equipped to understand Android and have it running optimally than anything you'll ever get stock. It really is amazing how stable and functional these phones are with custom roms.

 

It's a carrier's worse nightmare for sure, because a satisfied customer means less opportunity to manipulate them into new contracts, paying full price for phones, etc.

 

 

post #1526 of 1923

So I've been holding out for Telus to hurry up and launch the God damn Samsung Galaxy S II X but now it seems as though Samsung & Google are announcing the Nexus Prime tomorrow. Does anyone have any idea roughly when either of these would be released on the Canadian Telus network?

post #1527 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post

So I've been holding out for Telus to hurry up and launch the God damn Samsung Galaxy S II X but now it seems as though Samsung & Google are announcing the Nexus Prime tomorrow. Does anyone have any idea roughly when either of these would be released on the Canadian Telus network?



You don't strap your messages to beavers and send them to people?  :D

post #1528 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post

So I've been holding out for Telus to hurry up and launch the God damn Samsung Galaxy S II X but now it seems as though Samsung & Google are announcing the Nexus Prime tomorrow. Does anyone have any idea roughly when either of these would be released on the Canadian Telus network?



There's absolutely no way to know when the Galaxy Nexus will come to Canada, and which network will carry it. Follow the blogs tonight when the phone is officially announced and you'll more than likely read a Canadian release date.

post #1529 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post

So I've been holding out for Telus to hurry up and launch the God damn Samsung Galaxy S II X but now it seems as though Samsung & Google are announcing the Nexus Prime tomorrow. Does anyone have any idea roughly when either of these would be released on the Canadian Telus network?


Go here at 10pm EST for the event.  Check here if not.

 

Rumors are swirling that Verizon will have some sort of short exclusivity.  Are you on a TELUS CDMA carrier?  Not sure if the phone would work for you.

 

Other rumors suggest the simultaneous release of a GSM/HSPA+ band version for AT&T/T-Mobile.  Maybe crossing intot he states for one of these would work.  Don't most of you Canucks live close to the border of the U.S. so you can get timely healthcare?  wink.gif

 

post #1530 of 1923

The Galaxy Nexus is confirmed as getting a canadian release, nobody knows when it will be though.

post #1531 of 1923

Definitely getting one as evidenced by this article from the Time Zone link above.

post #1532 of 1923

Anyone wanting to live stream the ICS event can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/Android

 

Also, Engadget will be liveblogging for those that dont (or cant) watch it: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/samsung-and-googles-ice-cream-sandwich-event-liveblog/

This thing gets going at 10 EST.

post #1533 of 1923

Quite a bit of interesting stuff to see.  I will admit that I don't like the look of it.  Is most of that visual change coming with ICS or was a lot of it implemented in Gingerbread?  Still on Froyo here so I wouldn't know.  I dislike the large icon look that has developed on the internet for tablet optimization.  For some reason the large picture icons like that feel dumbed down to me, very preschool-ish.  I don't like it on Netflix and Guy, but then again I don't have a tablet so my browsing experience is not optimized for that kind of look.

 

A couple of funny things, when the one presenter was showing off the speech-to-text feature I love how the laughter of the crowd was transcribed as "yahoo" at the end of his sentence and they left it on screen forever.

Also when all the fuss was being made about sharing features and continuing email conversations into other forms, Google+ obviously was front and center with Facebook obviously nowhere to be found.

 

I'd be interested to know how much of all that I saw tonight gets buried underneath Sense if I stay with an HTC phone.

 

Didn't seem to be any word on hardware acceleration but things looked to move quite a bit smoother than usual.  Can't wait to read more about the "guts" in the coming days.

post #1534 of 1923

holy shit, i am in love with the galaxy nexus.

 

I think having a pure ICS versus a RAZR with bloat ware and and older OS is the kicker.

 

Also, Moto really seems to be hammering the accessories with all their phones which really irks me.  I just want a fully functional smart phone, not a laptop replacement, not an ipod replacment, etc

 

post #1535 of 1923

Fucking yummy!

 

I have to get me one of those. I really love the new look for ICS. It's how I always mod my Android phones to look like.

post #1536 of 1923

I need to modify one of my statements from last night about how much of ICS would get buried under Sense.  I've been looking at expanded thoughts on each thing presented and, well, ICS is essentially Sense in a lot of ways.  I haven't seen Sense 3.0 and up but I wonder how superfluous it will become considering the resources it takes up.

 

I still don't like the look of ICS and I think, as I read more, it lies in the fact of how connected you need to be to get the full benefit of everything they included.  Google+, Twitter, FB, Picasa, Flickr and more; you really need to be up everyone's ass and let them up yours to enjoy full functionality.  I'm sorry, I just don't like people that much nor do I share my entire life with the world on a 24/7 basis.  Am I just getting old or what?

 

*EDIT*  And that data usage widget?  Holee schnikes!  That widget right there will be the death of the feature phone in the age of tiered data plans.  It might also spell a little cut to the bottom line for carriers, I wonder if Verizon would be able to cripple that widget?


*EDIT2*  Yes!  Hardware acceleration!  I thought things looked awful smooth last night.


*EDIT3*  Jellybean needs to bring the ability to change the color scheme.  I dislike the blue.  Maybe it will look better in person.

System-wide gestures are nice but I don't like the idea of swiping to answer or deny calls.  Seems dumbed down to me from button presses.  Although the ability to "intelligently" screen calls with the up gesture is nice.

The icons bother me.  Too TouchWiz"y" which in tunr means they they are too iOS"y" for me.

Multi-tasking along with swiping to remove apps, notifications, etc. looks lovely though.

I've heard horrible things about the GB keyboard and I hope that ICS one that was shown off is more iOS"y" than GB as the one credit I will absolutely give to Apple is that fine ass keyboard.

 

*EDIT4* Resizable widgets are fantastic.  The one problem I always had with Sense's People/Favorites widget was that it takes up too much damn space, the entire screen it was on.  I'd love something that was a quick calling feature like they showed with the People "Folder".

And while resizable widgets are nice, the quick launch dock that is customizable at the bottom doesn't sit well with me right of the bat.  I mean, isn't that the entire purpose of multiple home screens and Android widgets?  I am sure that will grow on me in person though, very minor nit-pick.

Also weird I thought was very little mention of the Market.  Seems like I didn't even see an icon for it.  It only showed up near the end with Android Beam and the Minecraft transfer.

 

*EDIT5*  I haven't had a "WebOS" device since the Palm IIIc I had in the late 90's but I recall being able to beam apps and whatnot with the IR port.  So, ICS is Sense and WebOS merged into what appears to be an overly complicated for new users UI.  The magazine layout I still don't like.


Edited by TzuDohNihm - 10/19/11 at 7:05am
post #1537 of 1923

If anyone goes back to watch the presentation, make sure you listen carefully at 43:55.  Matias, as he is demoing the photo editing software says the following:

 

 

Quote:
You can apply any number of hipster filter options.

 

I'd buy the phone just for that bit of wonderful marketing to the tumblr demographic.

 

*EDIT* And the webOS feel makes sense.  I forgot that Matias Duarte was hired away from Palm to specifically improve the Vanilla Android UI.

post #1538 of 1923

New Gmail teased.

 

Not exactly Android related except for the fact that the web based experience will ultimately look like the mobile.

 

Yet watching that video made me crystallize what I dislike about ICS.  The oversimplification of it.  Using icons instead of words.  It screams to me dumbing down of society as a whole.  It reminds me of McDonalds changing their cash register buttons from words to pictures of foods because their workforce is becoming too stupid read.  It reminds me of nearly getting fired from my own fast food job as a teenager because I refused to use the change button on the register and instead calculated change in my head because I could do the math faster than the four to six button presses it would take me to use the register.

 

The use of more, in some cases, cartoonishly simplified icons makes me feel talked down to looking through ICS.  I wonder how much input Samsung was able to get into Matias Duarte's head?  Samsung already apes iOS with TouchWiz and Android should differentiate from that grotesquely simplified operating system with each new iteration. 

 

Why Duarte to skin "vanilla" Android?  webOS failed as a mobile platform yet he imported so much of the feel of it into 4.0.

 

I realize simplicity is key for mass adoption but many tech sites have stated what I felt watching the live event; namely that ICS appears to have a higher learning curve than Gingerbread or even Honeycomb for that matter.

 

I think the 4S was a minor stumble for Apple, I feel that ICS is the same for Android.  Weird.

post #1539 of 1923
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

 

I think the 4S was a minor stumble for Apple, I feel that ICS is the same for Android.  Weird.



I kinda disagree with you. The iPhone 4$ was a big stumble for apple. ICS is a HUGE step forward for Android. ICS now feels like a complete OS (from what we saw). I watched the presentation live, and as they were going through it, I kept checking off things that I was hoping to see improved on.

post #1540 of 1923

I'm sorry, I meant a minor stumble for each with the fanboys.  I will reserve judgement until release when the masses can handle the Nexus but I bet it comes with a steep learning curve that turns a few too many off.

 

I just got off the phone with a friend who watched the release event and he couldn't understand why everyone was so excited about all the stuff they were showing... because it is almost all old hat on his Tab 10.1.  Once I explained the merging he was accepting but still kinda meh.

post #1541 of 1923

you know Tzu, I understand your criticisms, but I am not sure any of them really disappoint me.

 

On a mobile phone platform, I think the things that ICS can/will do will be standard setting in the industry.

 

It goes without saying that iOS 5 is a real joke of an update and the 4S in general, while selling amazingly well like all apple products, is not a huge leap either.

 

I am excited about the new foundation that ICS is laying down for developers, who will really drive the true innovation in ICS anyway right?

post #1542 of 1923
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
I realize simplicity is key for mass adoption but many tech sites have stated what I felt watching the live event; namely that ICS appears to have a higher learning curve than Gingerbread or even Honeycomb for that matter.

This doesn't make any sense.  How can it be both oversimplified and too complicated?

post #1543 of 1923
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post

This doesn't make any sense.  How can it be both oversimplified and too complicated?



It's simplified from a vanilla Android look and feel, there is no denying that.  Look and feel are the oversimplification; a move towards a cartoonish iOS/McDonalds words-to-pictures ideal.

 

The navigation within the system absolutely is a jump in learning curve from vanilla Android.

post #1544 of 1923

Who even has vanilla Android at the moment?  Everyone has some crappy skin that is inferior to it.  I think Google is really trying to make stock Android something that's so refined that the phone manufacturers are shamed into not modifying it with their crap skins.

 

From pretty much every angle though, ICS seems like an improvement over the Gingerbread interface.  I don't get the criticisms of it being 'more complex.'  And icons (if it's clear what their meaning is) are often better in mobile devices because they take up less space than writing does.  And in general translate better when localizing your apps for foreign language markets.

post #1545 of 1923

Given Android's customizability I think matters other than the underlying capabilities of the OS are secondary. I bet you that we could put all of our phones next to one another and someone not familiar with Android would have no way of knowing they're basically the same system. 

post #1546 of 1923
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Originally Posted by dontEATnachos View Post

Who even has vanilla Android at the moment?  Everyone has some crappy skin that is inferior to it.  I think Google is really trying to make stock Android something that's so refined that the phone manufacturers are shamed into not modifying it with their crap skins.

 

From pretty much every angle though, ICS seems like an improvement over the Gingerbread interface.  I don't get the criticisms of it being 'more complex.'  And icons (if it's clear what their meaning is) are often better in mobile devices because they take up less space than writing does.  And in general translate better when localizing your apps for foreign language markets.


Spoken like someone who obviously hasn't used Sense.  ICS for the most part is a combination of the UI from webOS and Sense.  The blue looks like shit though.  I want an option to make it green again in Jellybean.

 

post #1547 of 1923

The Google devs have long said that they want 4.0 to make manufacturer skins pointless. I'd say they succeeded quite well with that. Easily the best looking version of Android ever. I cant wait to see CyanogenMod 9...the version of CM that will be using Ice Cream Sandwich.

post #1548 of 1923
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Originally Posted by DJ Dylan View Post

The Google devs have long said that they want 4.0 to make manufacturer skins pointless. I'd say they succeeded quite well with that. Easily the best looking version of Android ever. I cant wait to see CyanogenMod 9...the version of CM that will be using Ice Cream Sandwich.



This will create more problems for the Android ecosystem than it will solve.  Skins are the only way to differentiate the avalanche of phones.  Why release so many phones a year per manufacturer if the only differentiation is hardware?  All eliminating skins will do is contract the marketplace(which I think needs to happen anyway...too many damn phones) and begin eliminating OEMs.  If this is the goal then it would necessarily follow that the purchase of Motorola will fall into line as being Google's answer to the Apple way of doing things and Samsung and HTC will in fact be left out in the cold.  Which will suck because Moto hardware is vastly inferior to Sammy and HTC.


And if the devs do want less skins then where comes the need for rooting and Cyanogen?  Shouldn't the OS be stable enough without overlays?

post #1549 of 1923

Less phones is better, as long as they're good phones. Who wants "lowest common denominator"-style app development for 50 phones?

post #1550 of 1923
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

And if the devs do want less skins then where comes the need for rooting and Cyanogen?



You do know that rooting and custom ROMs is about more than changing the UI, right?

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