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post #1 of 23
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I'm going to hang out at a friend's house tonight, and he's been bugging me to watch some of the DC animated movies that have been arriving in recent years, so we'll probably watch a few of them.

Anyone know what I'm in for? Which ones I should ask to see? I've been completely disinterested in these, partly because of tepid reviews and partly because they seem to keep going back to the Superman/Batman/Justice League well, which is something I have very little interest in at this point. I can work up at least a little enthusiasm for the Wonder Woman and Green Lantern movies, because those characters haven't had solo adventures, but even they had plenty of exposure in Justice League Unlimited.

I get that DC wants to rely on their heavy hitters, but I just heard their latest movie is yet another JLA story (with yet another voice cast--why the hell do they keep shuffling those around?) Surely they could have at least branched out to, say, adapting the Jeff Smith Shazam story from a while back, or the Giffen/DeMattheis Justice League, or something remotely fresh from their vast library of characters. I realize that my dream of a Grant Morrison-era Doom Patrol rendered via stop-motion animation is pretty farfetched, but surely there's more than enough justification for something at least a little quirkier. I mean, the New Gods are a natural for animation, they have a fanbase, and they worked really well on JLU. Is it really that big a gamble to do an animated movie with them?
post #2 of 23
For some reason they can't make these genuinely good. I don't understand how everything from Batman to JLU worked so well, but these stand alones are so blah. So far the Wonder Woman one was the best, but really not worth seeing once.

The brevity of each movie definitely doesn't help, but you make a good point on the continued Justice League stories (the Marvel animated movies can't get away from the Hulk for some reason). I'd love it if they took aim at some of the Vertigo stuff. Doom Patrol is a great choice. And based on Bruce Timm and gang's love for the New Gods during Superman and Justice League I'm also surprised they haven't gone more into Kirby territory. I suppose the DC money men don't like the idea of selling unknown properties, which is why they had more freedom for their series shows.

If they're going to keep at the major DC characters I'd love to see an All Star Superman animated movie.
post #3 of 23
Stay away from the Marvel ones. They all stink.

The only decent DC animated movie is GREEN LANTERN.
Superman/Doomsday and New Frontier were mediocre. Superman/Batman Public Enemies is horrible. I don't remember anything about the anime Batman thing that came out before Dark Knight and I've never seen Wonder Woman.
post #4 of 23
I liked John DiMaggio's 4chan take on Toyman in Superman: Doomsday.

I also have to admit to having a soft spot for Hulk vs. Wolverine because of Deadpool.
post #5 of 23
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I also have to admit to having a soft spot for Hulk vs. Wolverine because of Deadpool.
Apparently the guy they hired to do the voice of Deadpool did a lot of improv.
post #6 of 23
He's pretty good with little throwaway lines like "Haaaaay! Shot you!"
post #7 of 23
The Prankster, When it comes to animated...dtvs, the Hellboy ones are the best.

For DC
1) Wonder Woman
2) Justice League New Frontier
3) Superman/Batman Public Enemies

For Marvel
1) Hulk Vs is clearly the best. Included is...Hulk vs Wolverine and Hulk vs Thor.

Ultimate Avengers is not bad...but, it is nowhere up to the standards of Hulk Vs.

I cannot wait to see...Planet Hulk in February. Hulk gets kicked off earth, and becomes a gladiator fighting monsters.
post #8 of 23
The best movie out of the current crop of DC/Marvel Direct to dvd deposits is Green Lantern. Good story and action. Great Music.

JL: new frontier and Wonder Woman are next. Decent but kinda spoiled by average/crap third acts. I didn't mind parts of Superman: Doomsday. Public Enemies changes the art style drastically and turns into a Fanboy VS film without any charm or humour. Stay away.

The marvel movies are mostly shit, except for Wolverine VS Hulk. Had a ball with that one. Not sure what people thought of Doctor Strange, but it was ok till the final showdown/letdown.

Outside of DC/Marvel check out Hellboy: Blood and Iron. Really nailed the spirit of the comics. Avoid the other Hellboy animated film like the plague.
post #9 of 23
The best one I have seen is Green Lantern: First Flight. To be honest all the other ones I've seen (almost all the marvel ones, Superman/Doomsday) put me to sleep. They are shit.
post #10 of 23
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Outside of DC/Marvel check out Hellboy: Blood and Iron. Really nailed the spirit of the comics. Avoid the other Hellboy animated film like the plague.
That's not entirely fair. There are parts of Sword of Storms that are pretty good. Mostly the Hellboy wandering through japanese folklore parts. The Liz and Abe b-plot is pretty much a waste of time, though.
post #11 of 23
The Wonder Woman DTV, Batman Beyond Return of the Joker, and the 1st Batman/Superman Movie, World's finest, are worth seeing. The rest kinda blow. New Frontier starts off great, but its sunk by a silly uber-villain that has nothing to do with anything. Its just big.
post #12 of 23
World's Finest was really just a collection of episodes from the series. All the 'canon' DC movies are great, except Mystery of the Batwoman, which was just ok.
post #13 of 23
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He's pretty good with little throwaway lines like "Haaaaay! Shot you!"
I liked the "I shot you in the ass with one of these" annoyed looks from everyone "What? I did".
post #14 of 23
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World's Finest was really just a collection of episodes from the series. All the 'canon' DC movies are great, except Mystery of the Batwoman, which was just ok.
If World's Finest is just a collection of episodes, it works perfectly fine as one self-contained story.
post #15 of 23
It certainly does. Which is why I don't understand why the non-canon movies are so blah.
post #16 of 23
Yea the two worthwhile ones I would say are Green Lantern and Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. I'd also check out GI Joe Resolute, that was pretty cool, but the rest are generally terrible. If your friend has Batman the Brave and Bold on DVD, that would be your best bet, its the best thing Batman in years.
post #17 of 23
Personally, I've dug all the DC DTVs to one degree or another, though the best are Wonder Woman and Green Lantern. I've been a fan of Bruce Timm and company for too long to completely write them off; even though the stories don't always completely work, the craft (animation, voice acting, direction) continues to put many feature films to shame.

As far as going towards different characters for DVDs, I've wanted an animated version of Jeff Smith's Bone (one of my favorite comics of all time) for years, Sandman could possibly work as an animated anthology, and I still think Scott Pilgrim would work better in animation than live-action, though I am certainly looking forward to Edgar Wright's film.
post #18 of 23
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Well, we watched Green Lantern and Woner Woman (because I'm sure you were dying to know). GL was pretty decent; it seemed weird at the time, but in retrospect I liked that they took care of his origin so quickly (and I guess they were sick of fighter plane sequences?) and the rest was some decent Star Wars riffing. It was kind of hilarious that all the aliens spoke English with a modern idiom, though. And GL still has the problem of a bad guy named SINESTRO whose betrayal is supposed to be a shocking twist.

Wonder Woman was more problematic. Superficially, it was well done, good action sequences, the occasional stiffness to the animation but nicely designed. The story was well structured--the basic setup of Steve Trevor being downed on the Amazon island and being the catalyst that brings Wonder Woman back to America seems to be the kind of thing that just naturally works, story-wise, like Superman's origin. Their use of Greek mythology was good; I don't know the comics at all, but Ares is a good choice of villain. And of course, Nathan Fillion improves everything he's in. (Keri Russell was a little too girly as WW, but not bad).

Unfortunately, it crystalized my main concern about adapting this character to film. The problem isn't any of the weirdness surrounding her origins or powers or anything, all of which is pretty simple; the problem is her attitude. No one wants her to be a shrill, man-hating bitch, but the whole premise sort of leans that way, and indeed, the "society of women vs. our world" concept is easily the most interesting aspect of the character. You have to walk a tightrope, which the producers did mostly by having Steve be right about everything, which...kind of undercuts the whole premise. (Though the bit where he sticks his foot in the lasso by accident and pours his heart out was well done.) And I'm pretty sure there were a lot of things here that would make my feminist friends cringe, like Evil Girl's "We're not just warriors...we're WOMEN" as an explanation for why she fell in love with an evil god and betrayed her people. Yeah, deny cock to a woman for long enough and she'll totally turn traitor! Also, Hippolyta kept talking about how, apparently, communication between the sexes hinged on the Amazons opening diplomatic relationships with the US. So...apparently she's the queen of all women everywhere, and the US is the boss of all men. Natch!

Anyway. I realize it's a tough balancing act, but Wonder Woman is one of the few superhero characters that actually has some potentially challenging thematic heft built in to her, I think it's important to get this stuff right.
post #19 of 23
as already stated, the Wonder Woman disc is great.
post #20 of 23
Didn't much care for Wonder Woman but I did enjoy Green Lantern.
post #21 of 23
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That's not entirely fair. There are parts of Sword of Storms that are pretty good. Mostly the Hellboy wandering through japanese folklore parts. The Liz and Abe b-plot is pretty much a waste of time, though.
Yeah, you're right. The Hellboy stuff was mostly good, but it was one of those cases where the lousy sub-plot brought down the quality of the entire flick for me. I'm never going to revisit Sword of storms but Blood and Iron is on my revisiting list. I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was. Outside of the art style, it really felt like a Hellboy comic book story come to animated life.

Btw, Green lantern and Wonder woman were directed by the same lady. She seems to be improving with each animated flick so maybe the next DC movie she does gets knocked out of the park.
post #22 of 23
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Well, we watched Green Lantern and Woner Woman (because I'm sure you were dying to know). GL was pretty decent; it seemed weird at the time, but in retrospect I liked that they took care of his origin so quickly (and I guess they were sick of fighter plane sequences?) and the rest was some decent Star Wars riffing. It was kind of hilarious that all the aliens spoke English with a modern idiom, though. And GL still has the problem of a bad guy named SINESTRO whose betrayal is supposed to be a shocking twist.

Wonder Woman was more problematic. Superficially, it was well done, good action sequences, the occasional stiffness to the animation but nicely designed. The story was well structured--the basic setup of Steve Trevor being downed on the Amazon island and being the catalyst that brings Wonder Woman back to America seems to be the kind of thing that just naturally works, story-wise, like Superman's origin. Their use of Greek mythology was good; I don't know the comics at all, but Ares is a good choice of villain. And of course, Nathan Fillion improves everything he's in. (Keri Russell was a little too girly as WW, but not bad).

Unfortunately, it crystalized my main concern about adapting this character to film. The problem isn't any of the weirdness surrounding her origins or powers or anything, all of which is pretty simple; the problem is her attitude. No one wants her to be a shrill, man-hating bitch, but the whole premise sort of leans that way, and indeed, the "society of women vs. our world" concept is easily the most interesting aspect of the character. You have to walk a tightrope, which the producers did mostly by having Steve be right about everything, which...kind of undercuts the whole premise. (Though the bit where he sticks his foot in the lasso by accident and pours his heart out was well done.) And I'm pretty sure there were a lot of things here that would make my feminist friends cringe, like Evil Girl's "We're not just warriors...we're WOMEN" as an explanation for why she fell in love with an evil god and betrayed her people. Yeah, deny cock to a woman for long enough and she'll totally turn traitor! Also, Hippolyta kept talking about how, apparently, communication between the sexes hinged on the Amazons opening diplomatic relationships with the US. So...apparently she's the queen of all women everywhere, and the US is the boss of all men. Natch!

Anyway. I realize it's a tough balancing act, but Wonder Woman is one of the few superhero characters that actually has some potentially challenging thematic heft built in to her, I think it's important to get this stuff right.
I still think it's bullshit that she's not gay, or at least bi. You can still have her end up with Steve Trevor, I suppose, but at least acknowledge that after millennia of same-sex cohabitation you're probably going to end up with GASP homosexual relationships!
post #23 of 23
I don't think the subtext in Wonder Woman is as problematic as The Prankster thinks it is. Diana is her mother's daughter, so she carries around a lot of that baggage. I suppose all the Amazonians do. That's not to say that there aren't any problems though. Trevor's (and our) fascination with Diana sticks close to the whole female action hero worship nowadays. The film tries to elevate women through the character and plot but also shows them as cute and sexy drawerings.

With the example of the traitor, I don't think the lesson is that if you deny her a deep dicking she'll turn traitor, I tend to think its that people will find love where its to be found. The film comes down pretty openly on the side of non-quarantining of the sexes, which is something of an non-issue. Take that for what you will.

Adding in a bunch of lesbian and bi stuff surrounding the normalizing of relations with the outside world would actually be kinda interesting if that was what the film was about, but it so isn't.
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