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Poll Results: Universal Monsters - Who got it and who din't

Poll expired: Dec 8, 2009  
  • 15% (5)
    The Headsman - Richard Dickson
  • 6% (2)
    The Ghoul 1- Zweit
  • 45% (15)
    The Spook - Phil & mcnooj82
  • 0% (0)
    The Ghoul 2 - nekkerbee
  • 24% (8)
    THe Devil of River Burn - Abbott & Prospero
  • 9% (3)
    Spring-Heeled Jack - BrindleFlyboy
33 Total Votes  
post #1 of 37
Thread Starter 
Let's try this again. This thread is for voting only. Voting is open to everyone. Any comments or discussions about the entries can be had in this thread. ETA: Eh, nevermind. Might as well discuss em here, I guess.

This was a conceptual design contest, so when voting for an entry please consider the importance of the character design over artistic talent.

Thanks. And thanks to everyone who participated.
post #2 of 37
It works!

Vote your conscience. Vote the bad way. Vote The Spook.
post #3 of 37
ahahaha
post #4 of 37
Thread Starter 
I'm sleepy. Leave me alone. And quit discussin' in the non discussin' thread.
post #5 of 37
Thread Starter 
Richard Dickson presents:

THE HEADSMAN



The Headsman films, although released to little fanfare at the time, are among the most sought-after lost horror films of the 1940s. Remembered for their atmospheric cinematography and the silent, brooding presence of the title character, the films achieved modest popularity before fading into cinema history. It is believed the last known copies were destroyed in the same fire that claimed the last copy of Lon Chaney's London After Midnight. To this day, only small clips remain to preserve the legacy of this forgotten movie monster.

In the first film, The Headsman (1942), we see the story Harold, an executioner in the England of King Henry VIII. Unknowingly executing an innocent man, he is cursed by his victim to be denied the peace of death.

Later, Harold is killed by the enraged brothers of the man he wrongly executed. But over the next few days, all the brothers are found beheaded in their beds, and Harold's grave is found empty. The Headsman is born!

Centuries later, Roger Hedley, a descendant of that victim, learns he has inherited an English estate. Local legend has it the area is haunted by an ax-bearing spirit in a black mask. He scoffs at such superstition, but soon members of his traveling party meet gruesome ends thanks to the Headsman.

Roger discovers the story of his ancestor's curse, realizing it is his own family that has been responsible for the deaths the Headsman has caused. In a final confrontation, Roger forgives the Headsman, breaking the curse and allowing Harold's spirit to rest. He vanishes, his empty hood and axe falling to the floor. Roger decides to burn the house to the ground to cleanse it of the memory of the Headsman, and the final shot is the hood and axe surrounded by flames.

The Headsman proved popular enough for two sequels, Hood of the Headsman (1943) and Axe of the Headsman (1945). In these films, it is revealed that Harold's hood and axe were cursed long before he received them, a spell cast by a witch to cause their bearer to revel in bloodshed. Thus, both survive the fire at the end of the first film, and each causes the unsuspecting victim who takes possession of them to become the Headsman themselves. In Hood, the crown of King Henry VIII proves strong enough to banish the Headsman, while in Axe, breaking the shaft of the axe sends him back to his eternal rest.

A final Headsman film, Curse of the Headsman (1947), was considered a disappointment, as it focused on the witch who cursed his belongings, with the Headsman only making a brief appearance in a flashback at the beginning of the film. The witch is thwarted in an attempt to curse a new hood and axe by a descendant of the English Witch-Finder General Matthew Hopkins. The film was a box office failure, ending the Headsman series of films on a down note. Still, the first three films are remembered fondly by horror fans, and the search goes on for copies of these lost films.
post #6 of 37
Thread Starter 
Zweit gives us:

The Ghoul - I'm not really a writer so I guess your imagination will have to fill in the backstory.

post #7 of 37
Thread Starter 
Phil and mcnooj collaborated on The Spook:

Actor Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry was widely known (and in later years, criticized) for his comedic film persona Stepin Fetchit, a walking stereotype of the lazy, shiftless, "colored" servant which appeared in dozens of films. But hidden in Perry’s closet is a skeleton of which most historians remain unaware to this day: in a critically lambasted attempt at creating the only African-American Universal Monster, Perry headlined a film so racist and hateful that it was quickly pulled from release, and all prints were ordered destroyed by Universal chief Carl Laemmle Jr.

The film was The Spook (released in some markets as Zombie Slave), directed by Paul Leni (this is in question; Leni’s name appears on the one-sheet, but documents at Universal list Rowland V Lee as the director of record. It is likely that whoever did pull directing duties did not want their name on the film). Its absurd plot was more or less a lift from the Jewish Golem legend, transplanted to a tobacco plantation in Virginia. David Manners, Universal's affable go-to leading man, played a Civil War veteran who returns home to find his tobacco tycoon father (Lionel Barrymore) engaging in trysts with his unpaid black female servants ("He paid them in passion!" screamed the film's publicity materials). When a comely field worker spurns his advances, the plantation owner burns down the servants' quarters, killing scores of adults and children. (Of the five people living who've claimed to see the film, two swear up and down that the film featured shots of burning black babies being thrown into a creek by their panicked mothers.)

Revenge descends on the plantation in the form of the titular Zombie Slave, conjured up by a survivor of the fire. In the films' remaining 25 minutes, no racist stereotype is left unexploited - spears are chucked, chitlins are eaten, and the film ends with an uncomfortably "triumphant" lynching. In fact, by all accounts the film seemed to suggest not an Old Testament, morally just tale of revenge, but an unapologetically pious cautionary tale of a society being punished for tampering with nature by "taking the savage untameable Negro out of its native surroundings." The film’s nakedly anti-minority tone apparently set it apart from the milder racism of films such as White Zombie and King Kong, and the public’s reaction was hostile and immediate.

Though officially denied, it's believed that this film was the catalyst behind Laemmle Jr's 1936 ousting from the studio. Perry quickly distanced himself from the film and returned to the relatively innocuous Stepin Fetchit role, which he continued to play for some 40 years. Today, all that survives are Jack Pierce's incredibly offensive character sketches of Lincoln Perry's character makeup...

post #8 of 37
Thread Starter 
nekkerbee designed another Ghoul



My contribution is similar to Zweit's: The Ghoul. Wrapped in his tattered burial shroud, the Ghoul feeds upon corpses old and new. Its dead eyes have long stopped seeing so the Ghoul sniffs out its meal, burrowing into graves to plunder the remains and crunching bones with its massive jaws.
post #9 of 37
Thread Starter 
My (and in desperate need of an editor) entry...


The Devil of River Burn

The following are excerpts and photos from the book The Vault of Forgotten Frights: Raiding Hollywood's Lost Horror History by Thomas G. Aylesworth.


On Tod Browning's abandoned film The Devil of River Burn:

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In 1927 Tod Browning brought a story pitch to MGM studio head Nicholas Schenck for a film he intended to develop with Lon Chaney as the lead. The director and actor had just previously collaborated that same year on The Unknown and London After Midnight for the studio. The story concerned demonic possession and exorcism, a subject in which Browning had recently become fascinated with. While interested, Schenck, who had just inherited control of the studio after the death of his business partner Marcus Loew, ultimately passed on the idea deeming it too risky in both theme and expense. This being four years before the success of Dracula, Schenck feared the religious aspects of the story might be found offensive and the overtly supernatural qualities of the main antagonist may be too much for audiences of the time.

In 1930 Browning was approached to direct Dracula by the new head of Universal Studios, Carl Laemmle, Jr. who also intended for the film to star Lon Chaney. It was during these early stages of production on Dracula that it is believed Browning sell the young studio chief on his demon possession story.

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While the complete outline Browning used to pitch the project has never been uncovered, the basic story has been pieced together over the years. Set in 1913, and titled The Devil of River Burn, the story centered around the rather conventional narrative hook of a young couple, Silvester Corbett and Margaret Booth, who, while traveling across Europe to the former's family home to announce their plans to marry, find themselves in a small village that harbors a dark and terrible history.

Upon arrival, Margaret is immediately beset by strange occurrences. She spys a mysterious robed man standing on a bridge overlooking a river not far from the village. She approaches him and he warns her that the town is cursed and that she and her companion must leave at once. Fearful of the man's intense gaze, she stumbles backwards and falls from the bridge into the icy water below. The screen fades to black and we are shown a nightmarish vision of a robed man with devilish bat wings hovering over burning ruins. In his hand it appears that he is holding something that at a glance looks like a devil's head. It is an image straight out of an illustration of Dante's Inferno. Margaret awakes. She is safe and in bed. Silvester and the village doctor(no doubt to be played by Edward Sloan) stand over her. She describes her dream to them and her meeting with the man on the bridge. She learns from Sylvester that it was this robed stranger who had rescued her and brought her to the physician's doorstep.

Through a mountain of exposition (no doubt to be delivered by Edward Sloan),and a convenient (and one would think budget saving) series of historically illustrated tapestries, we learn that in the early 1500s the village was plagued by Satan, himself, who had taken up haunting the high banks of the nearby River Norry in the form of a terrifying winged and multi-headed dragon. A villager named Oswyn Chernocke set himself to prayers and was said to have been visited one night by St. Peter in a dream. St. Peter gave the man the knowledge of how to exorcise the devil from his land. A Proud and resourceful man, Oswyn set forth alone to do battle with the river dwelling monster. Reciting prayers, blessings, and invocations imparted to him in the dream, Oswyn was able to subdue the beast just long enough to land a well aimed and deep cutting blow of his sword managing to sever one of the dragon's seven heads. Surprised, the wounded beast shuffled its form back into the river and a belching bubble of sulfur and fire signaled that it had wormed its way back down into the pit from whence it came. Oswyn at once, and without caution or forethought, snatched up the head and brought it back to the village where it was burned to much celebration. But the head Oswyn had severed was pride and when he brought his trophy back he never gave glory and blessing to god for his victory. And with that sin he was cursed as was the land and the waters of the nearby Norry which forever more would be known as The River Burn.




Further Story points are only touched upon vaguely in Browning's correspondences with Chaney and Laemmle, Jr. Horror conventions would lead one to presume that the mysterious robed figure on the bridge and the cursed Oswyn were one and the same. That being the case, Oswyn's curse would seem to have left him with a severe case of longevity. Newly discovered design drawings and make-up and costume photo tests, coupled with the knowledge that exorcism was an early inspiration for the story gives a good indication of how the tale was intended to unfold.


Oswyn would appear to be set up as a tragic character with that first meeting on the bridge with Margaret. He did, after all, save her. But appearances can always be deceiving. Especially when dealing with a story about the devil. It is through the design work and photo tests on an unknown actor(?) that we learn what form the curse had befallen the poor prideful Oswyn. The hand that snatched up the grotesque head, carried it back to the village and threw it into the fire had transformed overnight into that very same head. No blade could sever it. Fire had no effect. No priest could bind its lips and Oswyn was driven to madness by the silver tongued temptations of the demon that he could never be free of. But even worse was that the head could gain complete control over Oswyn. In a fit of hysteria he had it covered in molten iron and shackles and chains placed around its neck in fear of what it would have him do when it took control over him. This was how Browning had envisoned demonic possesion and it becomes at once easily understandable why Nicholas Schenck passed on the project in 1927. Even Carl Lammale jr, an admitted horror enthusiast who had been looking for horror properties to develop for the studio, reportedly had trepidations upon first hearing the ghoulish tale.

It was this hesitation on the part of Laemmle, Jr. coupled with the death of Lon Chaney Sr. that more than likely doomed the project. Chaney's death was rumored to have resulted in Browning losing most of his enthusiasm for directing Dracula. The same may have understandably happened for The Devil of River Burn. Laemmle, Jr. also began suggesting story changes to Browning. Like Schenck before him, he feared it would be too much for audiences and wanted to downplay the demonic imagery. At one point he suggested reconfiguring the story to an Asian setting and incorporating Chinese mythology. Later he suggested simply changing the title to The Dragon of River Burn, a suggestion that actually stuck for awhile through development since one of the inspirations for Browning were the tales of saints doing battle with dragons. Browning felt the symbolic tales of Christianity's battle against evil would play itself out in its most literal form with the character of Oswyn who would now embody man's struggle with his own darkest impulses. But More arguments between Browning and the studio chief would later ensue concerning the look of the demonically possessed main character.

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Aside from The Totem, a pet project that Universal's head of make-up department Jack Pierce had nurtured alongside producer E.M. Asher (and was also affectionately, if somewhat dismissively, known around the studio as simply a chance for Pierce to stick Karloff in a taller pair of boots), and The Lurk of Midnight Murk, which centered around a detective who is shot from behind, dumped in a swamp and rises from the mud and murk as an inhuman but sympathetic creature bent on solving his own murder, The Devil of River Burn was one prospective Universal horror film that came closest to actually getting the go ahead to commence filming. There is no doubt that the studio was spending money to develop the project.

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One early and ghastly effect suggested by Browning to Jack Pierce was that when the devil's iron encrusted eyelids opened Oswyn's eyes would simultaneously sink into his skull leaving two empty sockets. This idea was abandoned early on and it was decided that Oswyn's eyes would simply roll back in his head to white and he would seemingly go into a trance when the demon took control of him. This effect would also be aided by a simple bit of Hollywood trickery. An actor wearing an iron demon mask that allowed his eyes to show would kneel in front of the actor portraying Oswyn creating an unsettling illusion.


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A design sketch found amongst special effects pioneer John P. Fulton's notes indicates that a small figurine of a demonic, winged Osywn was planned to be fabricated. Along with models and painted backgrounds, this may have been how Browning planned to capture the nightmare images that plague Margaret throughout the story. It is not known whether it would have been later revealed that Oswyn actually was hiding a pair of bat wings under his robe (one more souvenir acquired from his unfortunate curse), or if Browning only intended his full devilish form to appear only in Margaret's visions.

post #10 of 37
Thread Starter 
And BrundleFlyboy gives us his design for Spring-Heeled Jack:

I looked into English folklore and cryptids and went with one that was spotted at one point in my area (The East End of London) in the 19th Century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Heeled_Jack

There is a classic description but as the various sightings and imagery fluctuate quite a lot I think there is plenty of room to play about with this guy too; he's even gone from villainous to vigilante at various points but I am sticking with the more threatening and demonic aspect.

post #11 of 37
All good but torn between Zweit's Ghoul and The Spook (by Phil and mcnooj).
post #12 of 37
Phib's Devil of River Burn is unique and wonderfully realized in image and background, but the delightfully offensive nature of The Spook just edges it out. This line in particular won me over:

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(Of the five people living who've claimed to see the film, two swear up and down that the film featured shots of burning black babies being thrown into a creek by their panicked mothers.)
Tough choice, but I vote Phil.
post #13 of 37
Thread Starter 
Spook also got my vote. I mentioned in the other thread doing an Aurora model box art version of him. Will see what I can come up with.
post #14 of 37
The Spook gets my vote. Very believable backstory.
post #15 of 37
Thanks to all the guys who participated. These will be fueling crazy ideas in my head for weeks to come.

Feel free to share these with everyone:

post #16 of 37
While I loved the shit out of all of these, I had to vote for A&P. It was not just because of the effort put into it but the fact that it seemed like I could almost picture the movie.

Nice job everyone. You're all talented fucks.
post #17 of 37
The Headsman seems the most authentic, Universal Monster-wise, but fuck, the Spook! The Spook!
post #18 of 37
Typical fucking Spook, comes into our competition and steals all our votes!
post #19 of 37
I didn't vote for The Spook because I don't support racism.
post #20 of 37
I voted for myself, 'cause, well, the Spook is gonna win and that one vote I had looked lonely.
post #21 of 37
I loved all of these, and have been following the threads. I wish I could vote for more, but I too voted for The Spook. You guys should get Gabe Powers to do a score for you.

Also, I'd almost love a great Blacksploitation director to at least do a short on The Spook.
post #22 of 37
I voted for A&P.

But i'd like to go out for a beer with the spook!
post #23 of 37
Had to go with the Headsman (although all of 'em were beyond great). Headsman actually struck me as something Universal could've pulled off on film easily and inexpensively, and the hood/axe combo would've become an iconic symbol for the character (like Dracula's cape, the bolts in Frankenstein's neck, the Invisible Man's sunglasses, etc.).
post #24 of 37
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Had to go with the Headsman (although all of 'em were beyond great). Headsman actually struck me as something Universal could've pulled off on film easily and inexpensively, and the hood/axe combo would've become an iconic symbol for the character (like Dracula's cape, the bolts in Frankenstein's neck, the Invisible Man's sunglasses, etc.).
I love the write up for the Headsman. It was the most Universal of them all. But the pic needed a little more oomph. A little less human behind the mask, maybe?

But it was the combination of Phil's write up and Joon's awesomeness with
the design that got me behind the Spook.
post #25 of 37
I was trying to convey a Lon Cheney Jr-ish vibe to him.
post #26 of 37
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I was trying to convey a Lon Cheney Jr-ish vibe to him.
And I applaud the effort. I guess I've always just imagined Universal stuff to be more about loss of humanity and your drawing seems too human, y'know.

I admit that's a pretty nitpicky thing when you've done a pretty great job with it.
post #27 of 37
Honestly, that's about as far as my drawing chops take me when it comes to realism.
post #28 of 37
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Originally Posted by Timothy225 View Post
Had to go with the Headsman (although all of 'em were beyond great). Headsman actually struck me as something Universal could've pulled off on film easily and inexpensively, and the hood/axe combo would've become an iconic symbol for the character (like Dracula's cape, the bolts in Frankenstein's neck, the Invisible Man's sunglasses, etc.).
Same here.
post #29 of 37
Bollocks, didn't even occur to vote for myself (not that it would've helped much), well played master Dickson!... I actually bypassed that and went for the one I liked the best (A & P's).
post #30 of 37
Well, of course, after I vote for myself, people start voting for me.
post #31 of 37
If I had any complaint about Abbot and Prospero's entry it would be that it seems more in the vein of Hammer or possibly something from Val Lewton and Jacques Tourneur. It was so fucking good, I had to vote for it.

I almost voted for nekkerbee. Dug his quite a bit as well. Reminds me of Pickman's Model.
post #32 of 37
Look, I know it's a stretch and all... but my suspicion is that people were looking to vote for BrundleFlyboy not 'BrindleFlyboy' as the poll suggests.

I pronounce the entire contest null & void in light of this shocking oversight.
post #33 of 37
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BrundleFlyboy View Post
Look, I know it's a stretch and all... but my suspicion is that people were looking to vote for BrundleFlyboy not 'BrindleFlyboy' as the poll suggests.

I pronounce the entire contest null & void in light of this shocking oversight.

Heh, sorry about that. I was pretty tired when I put this together this morning. It's a wonder it is even written in recognizable english and not: Jahs46hwgdyuwbvvbx d,agwd deduihd monsters jkbnhduiw ehfbc....
post #34 of 37
Voted for The Spook, although I also loved Devil. Like the one dude above me said: Devil feels more like a Hammer movie.
post #35 of 37
I voted for The Spook on the strength of the backstory. Awesome.
post #36 of 37
Springheel Jack remains a viable movie monster, by the by.

Has anyone made a movie where Jack the Ripper is actually a monster? If not, dibs.

ETA: I can't draw, but I regret missing this. Kickass thread.
post #37 of 37
Dickson has the best story and A&P the best pics, but in the end Springheel Jack got my vote, largely because he's always been a supremely creepy creature. Just the kind of story that could have led to Universal magic. I especially love the descriptions that mention possible mechanical parts, which add to the WTF factor.
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