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In porn, both pro and am, facials seem to be an indispensable (sometimes almost talismanic) element. Like the "Amen" passage at the end of a classical mass, the shot is now nearly pre-ordained. With the incredible surge in homemade sex sessions posted in every corner of the internet, it's obvious that it is recognized by many outside the (arguably now vaguely defined) industry to be THE way to end the vid.*

Clearly not every woman enjoys them, despite some fairly titanic acting efforts to the contrary. You'd have to be some kind of caveman to not pick up the hesitant (and often painfully reluctant) demeanor more than a few women evidence. Amazingly enough (or maybe not so amazingly for the internet), sometimes that very aspect is supposed to be the arousing gimmick.

I'm still not exactly sure what the arousal currency is for men in it (voyeuristic or in situ), either. One suspects the satisfaction lies closer to psychological.

Like titfucking (or handjobs, assjobs or footjobs) I find myself wondering just what the pleasure element is for women in it. There are plenty of web-based sex personalities (the greater part women!) for whom the act is the center of their schtick. Not to mention the numerous themed programs that cater to it; ranging from the Cum On Her Face troop to the envelope busting GGG series. An increasingly open mind (or strong constitution) can often come in handy as you climb the ladder of escalation with these.

It hasn't exactly popped up often for myself, but has anyone ever come across a person who got a special enjoyment from facials? Is it something folks are drawn to doing because of the exposure to it as a porn trope?



* It wasn't always this way. I grew up alongside the rise and fall of porn's Golden Age; left my teens behind just as the industry went limp with hollow starlets, stuffed tits and gonzo productions; wept as the idea of narrative porn films disappeared into dustbin of history. Cumshots were plentiful, naturally. In many cases the gent simply 'popped out' and came, giving the scene a semblance of casual normalcy. Yet, in those halcyon days a facial was a bit more, well, exotic. In fact, that's what made it the very thing contemporary practitioners think it still is.
post #2 of 40
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
I'm still not exactly sure what the arousal currency is for men in it (voyeuristic or in situ), either. One suspects the satisfaction lies closer to psychological.
That's what I imagine as well. From what I've heard from both men and women who enjoy it, it's simply a masculine thing. Standing over the woman (or man...we're equal opportunity here), big erection, spreading the seed, etc.

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It hasn't exactly popped up often for myself, but has anyone ever come across a person who got a special enjoyment from facials? Is it something folks are drawn to doing because of the exposure to it as a porn trope?
To answer your last question, yes, I think that's exactly it.

I've never come across a woman who liked them. I have a male friend who loves giving them, but he's the only one (that I know of). It's not my thing, either, but I wouldn't have any problems doing it to a willing partner.

I get the fetish, but as you said, the VAST majority of women don't like it. You can see it in their faces (hah, the puns are hot today) and that, to me, is a huge turn-off*. Janet Mason is one of the few internet stars out there, that I know of, who absolutely loves cum. She says she cannot get enough, and especially loves facials. Her facial scenes are about the only ones I can stand to watch, but even then, meh.

*There's nothing worse than when a woman is not into the scene. Finding any sort of passion in videos these days is rare, but I suppose that's what makes the hunt fun. Oh, and men wearing condoms, but we've discussed that already.
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big erection
Speak for yourself, asshole.
post #4 of 40
I've never understood the significance of the cum shot at all. Do some guys really need a visual cue of when to release their seed? The importance attached to it seems somewhat homoerotic.

And I don't have any problem with expressions of dominance in sex and porn, I just find cumshots/facials/bukkake/etc. weird and unnecessary for my personal needs.
post #5 of 40
As nekkerbee said, it's an expression of dominance. Simple as.

And yes, I've met women who are very into that sort of thing, though I have a feeling that when a man likes it it's the norm but when a woman likes it it's considered a fetish.
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And yes, I've met women who are very into that sort of thing, though I have a feeling that when a man likes it it's the norm but when a woman likes it it's considered a fetish.
Cause, y'know, all men like women who are subservient.
post #7 of 40
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Cause, y'know, all men like women who are subservient.
Thanks for completely missing my point...
post #8 of 40
I always thought it was kind of rude myself. You're lucky enough to get someone to fool around with, and you thank 'em by shooting a load on their face? Not my dance, but if someone has the fetish, live and be well.
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Thanks for completely missing my point...
If you had a point other than it's normal for a man to like to dominate women you completely missed making it.
post #10 of 40
I was talking perception, Ryan.
post #11 of 40
Yeah, facials aren't my thing. You can shoot your wad pretty much anywhere else, but I don't need splooge dripping out of my nose. The worst though is getting it in your hair. At least you can wipe it off your face. It's not going anywhere once it gets in your hair.

As for shit I don't understand in porn, I'll offer up the girl spitting on a man's cock. It grosses me out so much to see a chick hock a loogie on her man and look proud of it. Honestly, I find that more disgusting than pretty much anything else that goes on in most non-fetish porn.
post #12 of 40
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If you had a point other than it's normal for a man to like to dominate women you completely missed making it.
I also wouldn't be surprised if, on average, men are (to some degree) more dominant in the bedroom. Whether it simply be one partner "taking charge" through spanking and tickling through BDSM, dominance is often a part of sexplay, and with men being the more aggressive of the sexes I'd bet they're more often the dominant player.

Note that (1) I'm not basing this on any studies (at least not recent studies), (2) individuals are not beholden to averages (there are many sub men/dom women and couples with relative power equity), and (3) even if men tend towards dominance during sexplay it doesn't mean they want to rape and oppress women.
post #13 of 40
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As for shit I don't understand in porn, I'll offer up the girl spitting on a man's cock. It grosses me out so much to see a chick hock a loogie on her man and look proud of it. Honestly, I find that more disgusting than pretty much anything else that goes on in most non-fetish porn.
"Hocking a loogie" implies texture; all you need is some spit, not rubbery snot.
post #14 of 40
These women suck in the spit, let it drip out of their mouth, suck it back in and then spit. There's definitely texture. It's gross.
post #15 of 40
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These women suck in the spit, let it drip out of their mouth, suck it back in and then spit. There's definitely texture. It's gross.
I threw up a little just thinking about that.

/Full Body Shudder/
post #16 of 40
I got hot, then saw Diva's avatar, then it was hot again, finally I just Antichristed my own junk so I could think about something else.
post #17 of 40
I don't think Charlie is a spitter...
post #18 of 40
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I was talking perception, Ryan.
I'm really not trying to be a prick but that's not what you wrote:

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though I have a feeling that when a man likes it it's the norm but when a woman likes it it's considered a fetish.
So you can see my confusion.
post #19 of 40
I think his "I have a feeling" means "most people think".

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I don't think Charlie is a spitter...
He most definitely wouldn't be. I mean when he ate a pear, he ate the core, sticker and all.
post #20 of 40
Your basic cum shot doesn't bother me. But a facial cum shot - that's just not fun for the recipient, nor does it look like it's a good time. If there's going to be one, it needs to stay from the neck down.
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*having a blast imagining Lisa's match.com profile*
post #22 of 40
"A blast"! Phil's a silly guy!
post #23 of 40
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Your basic cum shot doesn't bother me. But a facial cum shot - that's just not fun for the recipient, nor does it look like it's a good time. If there's going to be one, it needs to stay from the neck down.
What if you've got the distance? Walls and pillow or is it OK then?
post #24 of 40
I used to find facials distasteful, but the INTERRACIAL FACIALS series really turned me around. There's something about seeing a giant white cock jizzing on a black face or vice-versa that really makes you feel that God truely works in mysterious and wonderful ways.
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I used to find facials distasteful, but the INTERRACIAL FACIALS series really turned me around. There's something about seeing a giant white cock jizzing on a black face or vice-versa that really makes you feel that God truely works in mysterious and wonderful ways.
post #26 of 40
Just kidding around folks. Is this supposed to be a serious discussion about the social impact of facials in pornography?
post #27 of 40
Naw jus pullin yer leg there.
post #28 of 40
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I'm really not trying to be a prick but that's not what you wrote:

So you can see my confusion.
Fair enough. I should've written when a man likes it considered it's the norm
post #29 of 40
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Just kidding around folks. Is this supposed to be a serious discussion about the social impact of facials in pornography?
Well there are plenty of essays on the subject elsewhere. Surely, there are some things on the business that seems out of place (pun intended) which reminds me I found the fascination with DP really odd.
Also, some chewers work in this business so I wonder what is their take on this thread.
post #30 of 40
I do love the Wikipedia cartoon photos definitions of a facial:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_%28sex_act%29

The Latino girl CLEARLY enjoys it. So therefore all Latino girls like facials. The white girl is saddened by the black man ejaculating on her face thus making her a racist.

Also, I did think this quotation was interesting:

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The emotional, psychological, and sociological significance of the depiction of facials in pornographic media is a source of controversy, with no consensus being reached. There are a variety of views ranging from facials being an act of misogyny, degradation, or humiliation to being a healthy expression of human sexuality.

Feminist critiques of the depiction of facials are primarily critical. Sociologists Gail Dines, Robert Jensen and Russo echo these sentiments in the book Pornography: The Production and Consumption of Inequality it asserts "In pornography, ejaculating onto a woman is a primary method by which she is turned into a slut, something (not really someone) whose primary, if not only, purpose is to be sexual with men." Linda Williams concludes that facials are a fetish or a perversion. She states "The money shot is thus an obvious perversion -in the literal sense of the term, as a swerving away from more "direct" forms of genital engagement- of the tactile sexual connection." Anti-pornography activist Andrea Dworkin stated at a conference at the University of Chicago, "It is a convention of pornography that the sperm is on her, not in her. It marks the spot, what he owns and how he owns it. The ejaculation that is on her is a way of saying (through showing) that she is contaminated with his dirt; that she is dirty."

Other critics suggest different meanings. Author Lisa Moore suggests that Dworkin's explanation does not take into account that it is the pleasure the actresses exhibit that the male partners enjoy, and that it is more accurate to think men want their semen to be wanted. Women's activist Beatrice Faust stated "Since ejaculating into blank space is not much fun, ejaculating over a person who responds with enjoyment sustains a lighthearted mood as well as a degree of realism." She goes on to say "Logically, if sex is natural and wholesome and semen is as healthy as sweat, there is no reason to interpret ejaculation as a hostile gesture." Sex columnist Nina Anthony also views the practice of facials in a non-threatening light, feeling that it adds variety to the sexual experience. In one of her weekly articles she wrote "But let's give credit where credit is due: The money shot, by itself, is great for a number of reasons. Blowing it on someone's face is like a change-up pitch - if you've been throwing the heat for a while, maybe you should consider hooking the curve ball." She continues with "Also, being on the receiving end of the shot can satisfy the secret porn star in everyone and it's minor kink for beginners". Joseph Slade, author and professor at Ohio University, wrote of her work that "Williams thinks of ejaculation as a leitmotif similar to those that punctuate musical comedy, a genre she thinks resembles the hard-core film. Although Williams' thesis tends to reduce porn films to a single heterosexual genre, Hard Core is remarkable because the author actually engages the subject instead of pontificating from distance and because she insists that feminists must learn to reevaluate sexual expression.
Which kind of goes along with what has been said. I can see it makes sense both ways. For some having the girl "enjoy it" and "want it" can be a huge turn on. The acceptance of wanting it. Though that doesn't answer the question of whether or not the girl actually enjoys it. For some men they might want to do it to yes, degrade the girl. The whole "shes mine" thing, like a dog peeing on a tree to mark its spot.
post #31 of 40
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Which kind of goes along with what has been said. I can see it makes sense both ways. For some having the girl "enjoy it" and "want it" can be a huge turn on. The acceptance of wanting it. Though that doesn't answer the question of whether or not the girl actually enjoys it. For some men they might want to do it to yes, degrade the girl. The whole "shes mine" thing, like a dog peeing on a tree to mark its spot.
Exactly. Lots of women like doing things because their men enjoy it; that doesn't preclude her actually enjoying the act itself.
post #32 of 40
I've met one woman who wanted facials. Just one. If it wasn't for it's prevalance in pornograhy, I doubt it would be a remotely "common" sex act at home. The point said above, which is that most woman who accept a facial do so out of their partner's pleasure is very true.

And if a woman wants her face to be a Krispy Kreme donut, the more power to her, but the act really is dominance-related. They don't do it because it gives their skins a moisturizing effect.
post #33 of 40
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I do love the Wikipedia cartoon photos definitions of a facial
Ha! Ha!
post #34 of 40
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I've met one woman who wanted facials. Just one.
Me too. I've been married to mine for almost 12 years. Coincidence?

It's definitely not a dominance thing with us either. And she didn't/doesn't watch porn, so that's not where it comes from. *shrug*
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post #36 of 40
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This is wonderful. I had no idea so many folks would offer up on this. Great responses. It seriously never occurred to me to bother with something like wikipedia. And yes, the cartoons used for their article are quite unfortunate.

The most troubling aspect of Brendan's quote is that, well, the misogynistic "flavor" (I tried eight different words there and none worked!) of the act is expressly the point in 99% of commercial pornography. Now, by commercial, I mean the gonzo, narrative-free, amateur, BangBus kind of porn that is the bedrock of current adult video entertainment on-line.

Some of you may have stumbled on those GGG videos I mentioned above. For my money, those are the prime example of the concept taken to it's ultimate conclusion. GGG(German Goo Girls) conflates the "facial as baptism" fetish with the multiple male accumulation facial fetish and the "continue to screw the starlet while caked" fetish. (I'll leave the plate licking, turkey basting and passing-the-mouthful around out of it for now.) Where the Italians knew how to take a horror film idea and run with it, the Germans have a knack for taking a porn concept and raising it to an almost Arthur Clarke level of transcendence. Imagine 2001...with occasional pissing. It's funny to try to remember a time when bukake videos were the very edge of questionable taste in adult fetish entertainment. Now they're postively quaint.

The women in these videos, and the hundreds of variant ones, are handled in a pretty unromantic manner. No violence or efforts to torture, not even light bd. However, if I say fishhooking, I'll hope you understand. The girl is often simply maneuvered about not unlike a ragdoll. The idea that their enjoyment, actual or not, is stimulating the process is hard to find present.

Now, these classy teutonic fellows (who appear to be about as well adjusted as the cast of Jackass) are a uniquely extreme bunch. Yet, it appears that a great deal of entertainment that utilizes the facial-as-climax element all operate closer to the GGG end of the scale.

There are exceptions out there; instances where it's not so much a celebration of the purity of sexuality, more that the arousal element is geared for the woman. Poulsonator mentioned Janet Mason. Dagny, from Cum On Dagny, was the one that sprung to my mind in my original post. There's another famous one, I believe she's British with fabulous orangey hair, but I can't recall her name. These are few and far between. And it sounds like in the "real world" it's as uncommon as I may have suspected.
post #37 of 40
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
In porn, both pro and am, facials seem to be an indispensable (sometimes almost talismanic) element. Like the "Amen" passage at the end of a classical mass, the shot is now nearly pre-ordained. With the incredible surge in homemade sex sessions posted in every corner of the internet, it's obvious that it is recognized by many outside the (arguably now vaguely defined) industry to be THE way to end the vid.*

Clearly not every woman enjoys them, despite some fairly titanic acting efforts to the contrary. You'd have to be some kind of caveman to not pick up the hesitant (and often painfully reluctant) demeanor more than a few women evidence. Amazingly enough (or maybe not so amazingly for the internet), sometimes that very aspect is supposed to be the arousing gimmick.

I'm still not exactly sure what the arousal currency is for men in it (voyeuristic or in situ), either. One suspects the satisfaction lies closer to psychological.

Like titfucking (or handjobs, assjobs or footjobs) I find myself wondering just what the pleasure element is for women in it. There are plenty of web-based sex personalities (the greater part women!) for whom the act is the center of their schtick. Not to mention the numerous themed programs that cater to it; ranging from the Cum On Her Face troop to the envelope busting GGG series. An increasingly open mind (or strong constitution) can often come in handy as you climb the ladder of escalation with these.

It hasn't exactly popped up often for myself, but has anyone ever come across a person who got a special enjoyment from facials? Is it something folks are drawn to doing because of the exposure to it as a porn trope?



* It wasn't always this way. I grew up alongside the rise and fall of porn's Golden Age; left my teens behind just as the industry went limp with hollow starlets, stuffed tits and gonzo productions; wept as the idea of narrative porn films disappeared into dustbin of history. Cumshots were plentiful, naturally. In many cases the gent simply 'popped out' and came, giving the scene a semblance of casual normalcy. Yet, in those halcyon days a facial was a bit more, well, exotic. In fact, that's what made it the very thing contemporary practitioners think it still is.
Ugh. You write like Tycho Brahe.

My answer to your question: Maybe the reason facials are so prevalent in modern porn is because porn is basically escapism. And in many men's fantasies facials are awesome, despite how unpractical they are in real life.

I'm sure women's fantasies are just as unrealistic (sex ends with snuggling and open, honest communication about each others feelings followed by intellectually stimulating debates about psychology).
post #38 of 40
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Ha! Ha!
oh god they look so sad... I can't do a facial, just seems to degrade the woman, but that's just me.
post #39 of 40
Yeah I never ever want to experience that.... Gross.
post #40 of 40
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Ha! Ha!
There were immediate captions in my head:

LEFT IMAGE: "Ha! You got me that time! I am soooo peeing on you next time I'm on top!"

RIGHT IMAGE: "Oops. I am really, really sorry honey. That's... never happened to me before. Umm, you were just so so good... I'm never getting a blowjob again, am I?"
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