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post #101 of 648

If I take Godzilla's Revenge as existing in our world, where Godzilla is a fictional character, then I cut it more slack.  I have no desire to watch it again though.

 

 

I want to talk about Monster Zero some more.  It has a scope that's kind of incredible.  The shots on Planet X, with the goofy landscape, and a big painting of Jupiter hanging in the background?  Fantastic.  

 

Then when the mayhem starts on earth, there's this shot of Rodan gleefully wrecking things in the foreground, a Godzilla puppet shooting atomic breath in the background, set against the venerable Mt. Fuji backdrop, and framed with the usual fantastic Tsuburaya landscape work.  The depth-of-field is wonderful, and It's the opposite of the uncanny valley:  Of course it looks fake, but it also looks great.  

post #102 of 648
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Then when the mayhem starts on earth, there's this shot of Rodan gleefully wrecking things in the foreground, a Godzilla puppet shooting atomic breath in the background, set against the venerable Mt. Fuji backdrop, and framed with the usual fantastic Tsuburaya landscape work.  The depth-of-field is wonderful, and It's the opposite of the uncanny valley:  Of course it looks fake, but it also looks great.  


I know the exact shot you're talking about, and yes, there's not a hint of realism to it at all, but it just works.

 

post #103 of 648

Monster Zero is also the movie that gave us the Godzilla dance of joy.

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post #105 of 648

Gojia Shie!

 

I wonder if Haruo Nakajima had some wire help there?  If not, damn.

post #106 of 648

I'm going to have to rewatch MONSTER ZERO now to see which shot you're talking about, because I can't picture it.

 

The earlier conversation kinda makes me want to rewatch GODZILLA'S REVENGE too...

post #107 of 648

At some point I think we all need to have a really long discussion about Hedorah.

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I'm going to have to rewatch MONSTER ZERO now to see which shot you're talking about, because I can't picture it.

 

The earlier conversation kinda makes me want to rewatch GODZILLA'S REVENGE too...

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not like it's an diamond in the rough, but once I got over the initial shock of the kid's horrible voice actor, it got better.  Never actually good, but I was fascinated with the location the movie was filmed at, plus the Gabera suit is kinda nifty, the music is fun, and the moral is apparently that it's ok to be a dick if you were bullied.  Still it's easier to watch then most of the Gamera movies of the same era.

 

 

 

 

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At some point I think we all need to have a really long discussion about Hedorah.

 


Certainly.  I'll bump it up on my netflix que.

 

Anyone seen both version?  I've only ever seen the American one.

 

 

Some of the Classic Media DVD's are really cheap on Amazon.  I ordered Monster Zero, Terror of Mechagodzilla, and Godzilla vs. Mothra.  Also Godzilla vs. King Kong, since I haven't seen it in ages.  Skipped Gigantis/Raids Again, since I don't even think the Japanese version is worth revisiting.  Already have the Classic Media Ghidorah, and Gojira though they're cheap too.


Edited by MrBananaGrabber - 3/5/12 at 1:47pm
post #109 of 648

Love it. It's weird and psychedelic and it's one of the only Showa Godzilla films after the original in which the stakes explicitly involve more than property damage - not only is there death, but it's men, women, children, and animals. Nobody is safe. I also really like the perpetually dark, polluted, industrial aesthetics of the monster scenes. It's a different look for the franchise and dodges the cheaper, more generic looking countryside sets that were starting to plague the battle scenes at that point in the series. Plus Godzilla goddamn flies in it. It's one of my favorites.

post #110 of 648
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It's not like it's an diamond in the rough, but once I got over the initial shock of the kid's horrible voice actor, it got better.  Never actually good, but I was fascinated with the location the movie was filmed at, plus the Gabera suit is kinda nifty, the music is fun, and the moral is apparently that it's ok to be a dick if you were bullied.  Still it's easier to watch then most of the Gamera movies of the same era.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I've seen it a good half dozen times in my life, including as recently as a year ago (though just with the commentary track on the Classic Media edition), and I've never outright hated it the way a lot of Godzilla fans do. Talking about it just made me want to pop it in again.

 

(And yes, I realize that several of the things I just said in praise of HEDORAH also apply to GODZILLA'S REVENGE. I just think those elements work better in HEDORAH, and like I said, it's the cobbled together clip show/after school special nature of REVENGE that turns me off, not the message being conveyed or little details that make it kind of cool.)

post #111 of 648

Gotcha, sorry Dan.

 

Looking up version changes to Godzilla vs. Hedorah and discoverd the wiki page is a mess.  It also says Hedora's suit actor had an appendicitis, and the surgery was performed while he was still in the suit.  That's to wild to be true.

 

Also the page reminded me that Banno is co producing the Legendary Pictures Godzilla!  I wonder how involved he's going to be?

post #112 of 648

I know he had been working on a 3D Godzilla amusement park attraction, and I might be wrong about this but I think that project was basically absorbed by the Legendary Pictures remake. Not in terms of content, just... legally I guess? In which case I don't think he's heavily involved, though again maybe I'm wrong. I'd love for him to have some creative input. I guess I understand why but it's a shame he was basically banished from Godzilla movies after HEDORAH. Would've liked to see more of his weirdness and political/environmental themes at play.

post #113 of 648

I love Godzilla vs Hedorah! Its one of my favorites because of how weird it is.

post #114 of 648

I love how the score seems to know how ridiculous that is.

post #115 of 648

I love Godzilla vs. Hedorah, even though as a kid I found it to be an "uncomfortable" movie to watch. It's really bizarre, but that's part of what puts it in the top-tier of the series for me.

 

The strange tone, the animated sequences, the "fish bar," the freezeframed rollercoaster sighting of Godzilla's silhouette... it's kind of a gem.

post #116 of 648

Watching them so close together, it's amazing how Invasion of the Astro-Monster is pretty much just a re-make of Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster.  Just replace the Venusians with the Planet X-ers and make them bad guys instead of warning us.  Ghidorah even gets defeated pretty much the same way.  That said, Astro-Monster fares a little better just for the sheer outlandishness of it, like the truly wonderful (albeit completely unrealistic) space scenes and the trippy Planet X-ers.

 

The only Godzilla films I have left that I own are Godzilla's Revenge and Terror of Mecha-Godzilla, both of which I've seen before and don't really care for all that much.  And they're the older, US dub only DVDs.  Sadly, Netflix doesn't have any of the other films available to stream; I really want to dig into the Hesei era next.  I've seen most of them, but only on crappy VHS copies borrowed from friends or bought at conventions.

post #117 of 648

Terror of MechaGodzilla is uncut, so you will see a couple of things you haven't before. The intro that has the history of Godzilla is good, if not accurate.

post #118 of 648
Thread Starter 

I love GMK, but I absolutely HATE that suit..........particularly Godzilla's thunder thighs.  He looks like he's rarin' to go raid Krispy Kreme, not level Tokyo.


 

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Damn, really? All of them? Even the Millennium films? Luckily I think I have pretty much everything I'd want - only missing some of the Millenniums and the two Heisei double feature flipper discs. But that sucks. Still wish Classic Media could've gotten the rights to the whole series. That would have been amazing.


Honestly, I didn't check the Millennium or Heisei era flicks because I own them all.  I think they're all still available though and it's just the Showa ones that went OOP.  Perhaps they lost the rights?  Or are prepping reissues?

 

I would love for Classic Media to score the rest of the Showa rights, so maybe we'll get lucky.

 



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Which ones are you missing?

 

EDIT: Nevermind. SEA MONSTER, HEDORAH, SON OF, VS MECHA-G are more than they used to be.

 

I need Son of, Sea Monster, Gigan, and Mecha-G.  I own them on VHS, but hadn't gotten around to upgrading them yet.  Now I'm trying to see if I can track them down online for a decent price somewhere.

post #119 of 648

I think Classic Media as we know it is dead?

 

Watched Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster yesterday as well.  I appreciate the slower buildup to the monster action, Akiko Wakabayashi is beautiful, and the Ghidorah sequences are great, though they'll get run into the ground.  I also liked that Mothra and the Peanuts were integral to the plot, and not just set dressing.

 

That said, I enjoy Astro-Monster's color palette more, and it reuses less footage then I expected.  Plus I'm a sucker for midcentury space stuff.

post #120 of 648

That is a drag that Classic Media is dead. They did an excellent job with the Godzilla movies. From the commentary track on Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster I learned that Akiko Waakabayashi, who played the Princess, was also Aki in You Only Live Twice. Being in Bond and a Godzilla movie makes her the most accomplished actress ever in my book!


Edited by Chaz - 3/12/12 at 9:31pm
post #121 of 648

 

 

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That is a drag that Classic Media is dead. They did an excellent job with the Godzilla movies. From the commentary track on Ghidorah The Three Headed Monster I learned that Akiko Waakabayashi, who played the Princess, was also Aki in You Only Live Twice. Being in Bond and a Godzilla movie makes her the most accomplished actress ever in my book!
 

Indeed!

 

Godzilla vs. Hedorah!  First time I've seen a good copy, and the Japanese version.  I already knew I liked it, but it's MUCH more watchable then I remembered.  I did a liveblog thing, but it's to tedious to post, so some thoughts follow:

 

The DVD made the night scenes sharp and well defined, whereas I remembered them being to dark and murky.

 

It's such a huge departure from the traditional Showa-era style, but it's not a bad one.  The lighting and special effects are on par, or better then the series best, and Godzilla won't look this good again until Mechagodzilla.  There's also no stock footage, big plus there.

 

What stood out most for me was the Banno seemed to understand that the monster action needed to be connected to people for it to work.  So right off the bat, characters are interacting with the smaller Hedorahs, and Hedorah's damaging effects are shown.  Once it hits Kaiju size, we're still shown how it's hurting people, with the sludge flying through windows, smother the mahjong players, glooping a kitty (poor kitty!), and then later, dissolving people.

 

Even in the climax, Hedorah is crushing trucks that are trying to repair the megaweapon, and godzilla is making eye-contact with the main characters.

 

That may be my favorite scene in the film:  Hedorah has been vanquished, Godzilla turns and looks at our heros, and they all have this sphincter-clenching moment where it looks like Godzilla is going to attack them.  But then just growls and stomps off.  Loved it.

 

There's much more I want to talk about, and the score, pacing, and paper-thin characters really sink the film, but I was surprised how much I still liked it, and how contemporary the movie looked.

 

It's especially shocking coming after Godzilla's Revenge, and being followed by Godzilla vs. Gigan.

post #122 of 648

 Another great scene from that movie is Godzilla shaking his head after the General learns that the power is still out. Its basically Godzilla saying why do I have to do everything myself.

post #123 of 648

So, where is the next japanese Godzilla movie? Or do they have to wait until Gareth Edward's movie is released?

 

Godzilla's story can't end with the horrible Godzilla Final Wars.

post #124 of 648

Yeah, they're basically waiting until after the American version. After FINAL WARS they said Godzilla was getting a 10 year hiatus, plus it wouldn't make sense for them to create a competing project for their own intellectual property. They're following the pattern they set in the 90s/early 00s - they "killed" Godzilla in GODZILLA VS. DESTROYAH, then the Tri-Star version was made, then they resurrected the franchise in 2000. I wouldn't worry about Godzilla ever going away for good

post #125 of 648

 I like Final Wars. It is flawed that most of the monster fights are too short, expect for Godzilla vs Zilla. Every since the Tri Star movie I had been waiting to see the real Godzilla kick that impostor's ass!

 


Edited by Chaz - 3/25/12 at 1:45pm
post #126 of 648

Perfect shitty Heavy Metal music to go with that fight! I also like how the Evil Alien seems to have an aneurysm every time Godzilla defeatsSUBMIT a new monster.

post #127 of 648

Final Wars feels like a coked-up Super Sentai movie, and I enjoy that aspect, also the villiain is such a hambone, I can't hate.

 

A takeway from Godzilla vs. Hedorah: I kinda hope it's the movie that Legendary is basing their Godzilla upon.  The pollution theme is still topical (I would not be surprised if a horrible monster crawled out of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, or Asian smog cloud), Godzilla and Hedorah both work as characters, and there was solid interaction between the humans and kaiju.  It would need more  likeable human characters, and to tighten up the monster action.

 

Can I bring up Matango here?  Not a kaiju movie, but it's become part of the Toho-monsters pantheon.

 


Edited by MrBananaGrabber - 3/26/12 at 11:16am
post #128 of 648

I saw the last part of that when I was a very young child and it gave me nightmares for weeks after. Just typing this I feel creeped out, remembering the woman laughing while mushrooms eat her face. Ugh.

 

 

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I saw the last part of that when I was a very young child and it gave me nightmares for weeks after. Just typing this I feel creeped out, remembering the woman laughing while mushrooms eat her face. Ugh.

 

 

 

 

I was always disappointed LOST didn't turn into Matango.
 

 

post #130 of 648

I need to rewatch MATANGO. Unlike the Godzilla films, I've only seen it once. It struck me as having some of the best looking miniatures and sets of any of the Honda/Tsuburaya productions.

post #131 of 648
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A takeway from Godzilla vs. Hedorah: I kinda hope it's the movie that Legendary is basing their Godzilla upon.  The pollution theme is still topical (I would not be surprised if a horrible monster crawled out of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, or Asian smog cloud)...

A tad too close to THE HOST at this point? Speaking of, isn't there a part 2 being made of that Korean almost-Kaiju-but-not-big-enough?
 

 

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A tad too close to THE HOST at this point? Speaking of, isn't there a part 2 being made of that Korean almost-Kaiju-but-not-big-enough?

 

Possible. Tarantino's plug certainly put it in a broader cultural awareness.
 

I thought THE HOST 2, came out already, but I can't find any evidence of that, weird.  Of course the google results are getting messed up with the Stephanie Meyer's series.

 

The Classic Media DVDs that I ordered arrived.  I think I'll try Terror of Mechagodzilla tonight.  I haven't seen it since the early 90's.

 

 

post #133 of 648

Is it too soon to blame the Japanese earthquake/tsunami on kaiju? Gojira himself was meant as an atomic devastation metaphor, 9 years after the WW2 bombings.

post #134 of 648

It's a good question. Given the nuclear crisis currently going on in Japan, for the last year + , will a Godzilla movie be seen as crass? Or relevant? Gojira was a very serious movie, even though the premise was not. Contemporary audiences know Godzilla from the wacky 60's and 70's movies if at all. Maybe it's time for a serious Kaiju movie again.

post #135 of 648

Indeed.  Godzilla as a metaphor for over-reliance on technology, or being ill-prepared for the magnitude of natural forces?

 

It's times like these that I wish the Japanese live-action studios were thriving.

post #136 of 648
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I could be wrong..............and I can't find the source article anywhere....................but I was under the impression that Toho is actively involved in the planning of the new American reboot, as opposed to being completely hands off like they were on the '98 film.  I doubt they'll even consider making another Big G film of their own until WB/Legendary are done with the character.  I'd mention the fact that they want to do an American trilogy of new Godzilla movies, but that's pretty much a given.

post #137 of 648

Has anyone seen 'Geharha - the Dark & Long Hair Monster' ?

brilliant parody of this genre~

post #138 of 648

No but I want to see it and 'Death Kappa' 

 

Though I've heard Kappa isn't so hot.

 

There was another indy kaiju going around, seamonster something?

post #139 of 648

Geharha was very well done, Kappa not so much. I found both via torrents on demonoid (if we're allowed to say that)..

post #140 of 648

I know it's a parody, but the Geharha design scares me.  Long shaggy fur and glowing eyes are some deep seated fear from childhood.

 

Here's the other one I was thinking of: Deep Sea Monster Raiga

 

Anyone seen it?

post #141 of 648

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post #142 of 648

BTW that was the DVD's subtitle for that frame grab., not a comical add-on by me!godzilla suit.jpg

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Just to be clear, I didn't make this. Its just a cool video I found on youtube.


Edited by Chaz - 4/16/12 at 10:04pm
post #144 of 648
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Which movie is that from?

post #145 of 648

^ GMK if I'm not mistaken.

post #146 of 648

Yes it is.

post #147 of 648
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Just to be clear, I didn't make this. Its just a cool video I found on youtube.

I like the surprise ending. Guy should have spray-painted some cereal boxes and stomped on them though or atleast knocked down his neighbor's fence instead of just posing in his backyard. ;)
 

 

post #148 of 648

You folks were right, the frame grab was from 'Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out attack', as is this one from same sequence~

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post #149 of 648

I don't remember that scene at all!  Guess I know what I'm watching tonight.

post #150 of 648

GMK is probably my favorite Godzilla movie.

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