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post #251 of 412
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Originally Posted by Dan Benenson View Post

He wouldn't. Although even when Godzilla and Gamera are being heroic they tend to inadvertently cause a lot of collateral damage.

 

What I mean is his first outing ever was him destroying Tokyo, why would he later become a mythical protector without ignoring prior actions?

post #252 of 412
I don't know, ask Tomoyuki Tanaka I guess.
post #253 of 412
Mothra pretty much owns the "Mystic Protector" mantle in the Toho stable anyhow.
post #254 of 412
Yeah

...and King Caesar
post #255 of 412

I hope Godzilla is a...Hero in the new film that accidently causes collateral damage!  That is the Big G, I want to see on a...MONSTERously Huge Imax Screen!

post #256 of 412

In GMK it is speculated that what the "Guardian Monsters" protect is the land of Japan, not the people. And in that film Godzilla is explicitly a spirit of vengeance against the Japanese people for all the people killed in WWII (Pacific).

 

(Though I could swear that when I saw GMK in a local theater upon release in the US, it was stated that Godzilla was filled with the souls of dead Japanese soldiers demanding recognition for their service in WW II. I don't know if that was an error of translation or what, but I remember my audience gasping when that subtitle appeared (it was in the scene with the old man in the jail cell speaking with Yuki).)

 

What I've always liked about Kaiju is that there is really no way to explain them rationally. Godzilla has something to do with H-Bomb tests in the Pacific...at least he's radioactive. Ghidorah is some sort of space creature: it is never explained how he subsists or even exists in Outer Space. Mothra and King Ceasar are some kind of supernatural manifestation etc. It's simply impossible for Western Man to wrap its' collective mind around such things.

 

It's that sense that the universe is much bigger (literally) and stranger than we known that gives that extra frission in watching these films. For me at least.

post #257 of 412

I don't recall that line specifically, but I remember reading tons of different interpretations before I actually saw GMK, so they've gotten all mixed up in my head.

 

In the current version, isn't it said that he's an ancient monster fused with the vengeful souls of all the war dead in the Pacific?  And it was the H-bomb testing that created the fusion?

post #258 of 412

Yep.

post #259 of 412
Thread Starter 

All of this still makes me think of Godzilla as less "protector" and more "territorial mofo". 

 

Wanna fuck up Australia?  Fine.  Russia?  Cool.  USA?  Go for it.  But lay off my goddamn island of Japan.  I marked my territory and only a select few buddies are allowed to chill here.  Your name isn't on the guest list, Megalon.  Move along before Jet Jaguar and I make you.

post #260 of 412

Tea Time ~

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post #261 of 412

So what is my motivation for this scene?

 

1000

post #262 of 412

MOTIVATION?! I got yer motivation right here!..

700

does Godzilla have nards?


Edited by stevehauk - 11/19/12 at 4:36pm
post #263 of 412
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Originally Posted by stevehauk View Post
does Godzilla have nards?

 


He's not wearing pants, so by Black & Dekker logic, no.

post #264 of 412

Watched Rodan on Netflix Instant, it was awesome.

post #265 of 412

The meganura is still an awesome suit/puppet.  Just love the whole buildup in the mine, great tension.

post #266 of 412

I'm currently blasting through the '80s/'90s Godzilla flicks and loving all of them.

post #267 of 412

Great!  I don't think there's a single Heisei era Godzilla movie I dislike, I even find vs. Space Godzilla charming.  Millennium series is more of a mixed bag for me though.

post #268 of 412
Between 'mystical protector' and 'aggressively territorial' I would prefer that it play as kaiju lifts its leg and pees on major city monster movie, but, like the original Gojira, from the get-go incorporating the possibility that Godzilla is in some way an 'angry god'.
post #269 of 412

I have only recently re-discovered my love for godzilla movies, i remember how real they used to appear to me when i was just a lad lol.

 

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post #270 of 412

So, the only Heisei I haven't seen now is Space Godzilla and he never seems to be a spiritual protector in Heisei, in these the government always wants to stop him. I'm assuming the whole spiritual protector thing is more the original Godzilla series? I'm starting the Millenium series now and this one begins with him attacking so I'm assuming he isn't a protector in this series either?

 

edit - actually in the King Ghidorah Heisei entry they talk about him as a protector of the land and Ghidorah is seemingly more of a bad guy than the big G but G is still bad by the end because he tries to get revenge on Tokyo for attempting to erase from existence... I dunno, it's weird. 

post #271 of 412
It's only an element in one Godzilla film: GODZILLA, MOTHRA, & KING GHIDORAH: GIANT MONSTERS ALL-OUT ATTACK (aka GMK), which is one of the Millenium films, and it's a bit of a revisionist take. I get what turingmachine is saying about the "angry god" aspect of the original GOJIRA but it's more subtext/symbolism. "Spiritual Protector" is primarily the domain of the 90s GAMERA films (which, not coincidentally, were directed by the same guy who did GMK).
post #272 of 412
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Originally Posted by MegaManRising View Post

So, the only Heisei I haven't seen now is Space Godzilla and he never seems to be a spiritual protector in Heisei, in these the government always wants to stop him. I'm assuming the whole spiritual protector thing is more the original Godzilla series? I'm starting the Millenium series now and this one begins with him attacking so I'm assuming he isn't a protector in this series either?

 

edit - actually in the King Ghidorah Heisei entry they talk about him as a protector of the land and Ghidorah is seemingly more of a bad guy than the big G but G is still bad by the end because he tries to get revenge on Tokyo for attempting to erase from existence... I dunno, it's weird. 

 

 

Well with Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster it more a case of "Here's something that so Bad it makes Godzilla look good by comparison!". Dan Beneson addresses your other point...

post #273 of 412
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Originally Posted by Dan Benenson View Post

It's only an element in one Godzilla film: GODZILLA, MOTHRA, & KING GHIDORAH: GIANT MONSTERS ALL-OUT ATTACK (aka GMK), which is one of the Millenium films, and it's a bit of a revisionist take. I get what turingmachine is saying about the "angry god" aspect of the original GOJIRA but it's more subtext/symbolism. "Spiritual Protector" is primarily the domain of the 90s GAMERA films (which, not coincidentally, were directed by the same guy who did GMK).

This. Heisei Series Godzilla is like Daffy Duck. When he's cast with Elmer Fudd, Daffy is the good guy. When he's cast with Bugs Bunny, Daffy is the heel. Heisei Series Godzilla is as angry and uncontrollable as a natural disaster; sometimes his fits of rage coincide happily with the arrival of another monster that needs to be destroyed, but sometimes he's the villain that a heroic monster like Biollante or Mothra has to fight off. He's consistent in his behavior and motivations in any event; it's who he shares billing with that contextualizes him.
Edited by Reasor - 11/24/12 at 5:39pm
post #274 of 412

GMK is probably my favorite Millenium of the ones I've seen. Final Wars was hysterical, though, just really all over the place. The ending music was especially funny during the credits. I have yet to have seen a "bad" G film, in fact most I'd count as favorite films, but I can see why Final Wars rubbed people the wrong way, the human stuff is very hit and miss.

post #275 of 412
Showa era all the way. I saw Godzilla 1985 at the drive-in when I was a kid and G vs. Meganura a while back, but that's it from the other two eras.
post #276 of 412
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Showa era all the way. I saw Godzilla 1985 at the drive-in when I was a kid and G vs. Meganura a while back, but that's it from the other two eras.

 

I haven't done any Showa entries yet, honestly, the most I've seen is Godzilla vs. Megalon because they made fun of it on MST3K. I'm going to watch them but I figured I'd ease myself in with stuff that's more recent since I have some trouble with older films sometimes. The Heisei series of Godzilla films is my favorite series of films ever, honestly.

post #277 of 412
If you haven't seen any Showa films, you have delights in store. G vs Monster Zero, G Vs The Smog Monster, and Destroy All Monsters stand out as favorites to me.
post #278 of 412
Godzilla vs. The Thing is the shit.
post #279 of 412
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

This. Heisei Series Godzilla is like Daffy Duck. When he's cast with Elmer Fudd, Daffy is the good guy. When he's cast with Bugs Bunny, Daffy is the heel. Heisei Series Godzilla is as angry and uncontrollable as a natural disaster; sometimes his fits of rage coincide happily with the arrival of another monster that needs to be destroyed, but sometimes he's the villain that a heroic monster like Biollante or Mothra has to fight off. He's consistent in his behavior and motivations in any event; it's who he shares billing with that contextualizes him.

I love this analogy, it's right on the money. And it's somewhat true of the middle of the Showa era as well.
post #280 of 412

 I was watching Gojira and Godzilla Raids Again with the commentary tracks last night. Classic Media did a great job with those. I would like to see a DVD of Godzilla vs The Smog Monster with a similar commentary track. Since it is the weirdest Godzilla ever, I'm sure there is plenty to talk about.

post #281 of 412

Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla (2002) is my favorite of the Millenium series thus far with total ease. To me, Millenium's films haven't matched up to Heisei, I think GMK and 2000 are close but prefer any Heisei over them. Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla, though, I think is one of the best Godzilla's I've seen.

post #282 of 412

It's one of my favorite openings for sure, the shorts from inside the Maser tank are great.

post #283 of 412
Thread Starter 

Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS were easily my favorite of the Millennium era.  GMK is great as well and Final Wars is a riot.  While I didn't hate either, I wasn't a fan of 2000 or Megaguirus.

post #284 of 412

The '90s Gamera flicks are awesome, got the blu-ray trilogy and am loving it, up there with the best Godzilla films I've seen.

post #285 of 412
Yeah, they're pretty great. Certainly better than the original Gamera films, which are very entertaining but not exactly great movies, and better than several of the 90s and 00s Godzilla films. That blu-ray set is ridiculously cheap, too. I picked up a copy even though I don't currently own my own player (I mean, I have access to one and will probably buy my own soon, but still). It was like $7 or something.
post #286 of 412

vs. Megaguirus was on last weekend.  Ooof.  

 

I remembered it being bad, but it was rough.  The lifeless English dub didn't help either.

post #287 of 412
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vs. Megaguirus was on last weekend.  Ooof.  

 

I remembered it being bad, but it was rough.  The lifeless English dub didn't help either.

 

 

I really hate the scene where Megagurius is descending and you can clearly see the wires holding it up. I mean like the wire are highlighted! Like Glowing! What crap.

post #288 of 412

I don't think anyone's heart was in that production.  Most of the time, Megagurius is just hanging in the sky.  No wings flapping, no limbs moving, not even head tilts.  Just hanging in mid-air while the godzilla suit actor struggles around, and like you said, with wires clearly visible.

 

It was only up from there.

post #289 of 412
Thread Starter 

The direction on both of the first two Millennium films is horrendous.  In some shots Godzilla looks the size of a skyscraper.  In others, he looks like he should be towering over the city with the building coming up to his waste (namely the shots in the bay where he is fending off the military).  The shot composition and camera placement is beyond amateurish in them.

 

While I'd need to rewatch the series again in order to 100% endorse this statement, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I probably like Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla vs. Megaguirus the least out of all the existing Godzilla films.

post #290 of 412

I didn't see Megaguirus yet but I really enjoyed 2000, mostly for the excellent final battle. 

post #291 of 412
I'm sure you guys are already aware, or at least knew it was coming soon, but BIOLLANTE finally came out on DVD and Blu yesterday. It's cheap, too. Just picked up a copy today. So close to having every single Godzilla film widely available.
post #292 of 412

2000's weird chronology placement hurts it too (well, everything hurts it).  I'm still not sure what timeline it's supposed to be in?

 

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I'm sure you guys are already aware, or at least knew it was coming soon, but BIOLLANTE finally came out on DVD and Blu yesterday. It's cheap, too. Just picked up a copy today. So close to having every single Godzilla film widely available.

 

Thanks for the reminder!  I've got to get that ASAP.

post #293 of 412
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Originally Posted by Dan Benenson View Post

I'm sure you guys are already aware, or at least knew it was coming soon, but BIOLLANTE finally came out on DVD and Blu yesterday. It's cheap, too. Just picked up a copy today. So close to having every single Godzilla film widely available.

 

But we're nowhere them all being on blu-ray.

post #294 of 412
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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken View Post

The direction on both of the first two Millennium films is horrendous.  In some shots Godzilla looks the size of a skyscraper.  In others, he looks like he should be towering over the city with the building coming up to his waste (namely the shots in the bay where he is fending off the military).  The shot composition and camera placement is beyond amateurish in them.

 

 

There is one scene in Megagurius...where Hero Woman is in her Hero Plane flying or hovering near Godzilla, and Godzilla just looks at her for a moment, then turns away. Because she's not worth the effort to swat her like a bug!

post #295 of 412
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But we're nowhere them all being on blu-ray.

 

I don't think we're too far off, actually.  Most of the ones that Sony owns are now OOP on DVD.  I have a feeling all will be reissued on DVD when the new flick arrives in 2014 and possibly a few (or all) on Blu as well.  Just a hunch.

post #296 of 412
I'm really hoping they reissue the Heisei films with proper aspect ratios.
post #297 of 412

My long delayed review of Godzilla Vs. Biolantte: It's Awesome!

 

Sure it suffers from the too long Human subplots that weigh down many Godzilla films, but in this case it all pays off as Arab Terrorists, Japanese Industrialists and un-named spies from the US (i.e. CIA) all search for "G Cells", bits of Godzilla that were blown clean off the monster in Godzilla 1984. These cells can absorb radiation, and have regenerative properties, so everyone wants to weaponize them or use them to create alternative energy sources. It's the later that prompts an Arab Oil Company (we are treated to a brief montage of burnoose wearing folk smoking Hookahs while sinister "Arab" music plays) employ a group of Terrorists to obtain the G Cells held by the Japanese. 

 

The Terrorists mine a Volcano where Godzilla is sleeping: through a series of unfortunate events the mines go off, freeing/waking the big G! Godzilla starts for Tokyo as per usual, but then detects a new foe: Biolantte!

 

I'll save the origins of this unusual monster for you to discover. I will say there is a pretty cool if all too brief battle where Godzilla takes more bodily damage than any other monster ever inflicts on him (I mean of the gorey sort). Also there is this really cool moment when a classroom of Psychic Children are all having the same dream: asked to draw representations of their nightmare, they all draw, and flash for the teacher, drawings of Godzilla!

 

A must own for true G Fans!

post #298 of 412

Just thought I'd mention that they're restoring the Original Godzilla in Hollywood right now. How cool is that!  It will be nice to see a pristine print when they're finished...

 

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post #299 of 412
GODZILLA VS BIOLLANTE came out on blue ray today!

 

 & dvd today!
post #300 of 412

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