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post #51 of 158
I think it's ok to hold the door open for people, but not cripples.

... Or hold it open for them like you would for anyone else, but not because they're incapable of opening it without you. And be sure to pat them on the head for being so brave.
post #52 of 158
I'll do it like I would for my friends. I pull the door shut behind me. Sometimes they run into the door if I time it just right.
post #53 of 158
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Wow. Didn't realize I was an asshole for holding doors open for people.
Do I really have to explain the door thing? Again?
post #54 of 158
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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes View Post
Do I really have to explain the door thing? Again?

I hold the doors open for all kind of people, I work at being overly polite. Having cerebral palsy, when I was a child I use to get the whole petty thing, and I understand the anger.Growing up the petty people I hated most were teachers. So I use to take great joy in show the class how stupid they were. I also use to move about every year. So, I had to beat the crap out of every bully at each new school. By the time I was full grown I was so big, strong, and look like kind of a neanderthal, I guess, I don't get it much any more. Now a days well it not that bad, because I can walk, run, ride a bike, and look like a neanderthal. The problem is I am so athletic it hard for people to understand how bad my CP really is. I was never suppose to walk, and I came close to dieing a child because of it. I did not die, because my parents were smart, and thought out side of the Box. If I did not have cerebral palsy I would have probable have been and star athlete gold medalist or something. On the other hand the cerebral palsy made me what I am to day, and I not sure would want to be someone else. On the other hand I have hyper flexibility, and hyper Flexibility and cerebral palsy don't mix. I live in a world of pain, and I am deathly allergic Narcotic.
post #55 of 158
I only hold doors open for people who I plan to have sex with. So if I hold a door open for you, eventually you're going to behold the fuck thunder. That goes double for Chewers regardless of gender.
post #56 of 158
I suppose I have to seriously rethink my "Hold the door open for anyone." policy now. To think I've been wrong about such a thing for so long is just emotionally crippling.

Fuck me, and the shitty attitude I rode in on....
post #57 of 158
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Originally Posted by uth vaspetad View Post
to think i've been wrong about such a thing for so long is just emotionally crippling.
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dude you're doing it again.
post #58 of 158
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dude you're doing it again.
I promised myself I wouldn't cry!
post #59 of 158
Wow Cameron, I admire your self control, You have much more patience than I.
At the time when they said "He's a little confused" I'd likely be yelling at them "Are you serious? My legs don't work, my BRAIN IS FINE! You people are the ones who are confused." Like shit, that's the kind of stuff they should be fired for.
post #60 of 158
I hold revolving doors open for black cripples because of my guilt. And Office Space.
post #61 of 158
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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes View Post
There's a reason I'm usually okay with people going out of their way to open doors for me. I know its usually good-natured, but imagine having half your body as dead weight. You have to work twice as hard to fit in and prove you're just like everyone else. Sometimes it feels like a walking person assumes we're too weak to open doors for ourselves. It's a self-esteem thing and it sucks. Sometimes I need to do everything for myself just to feel good.
I would go out of my way to hold a door on the assumption that it's probably a pain in the ass to try to manuever a wheelchair through something designed for people on two legs.

But I do get the annoyance - I deliver beer and probably about 70% of the time, people trying to "help" just fuck up your shit - "No, thank you, I'VE GOT IT."
post #62 of 158
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If you're a cripple, Google Map is the greatest thing ever. We like to know where we're going, to know what parking is like, if the streets are accessible(Puting in curb cuts doesn't make it accessible. I've seen some cuts where one of my people would take a leap of faith going off of. I don't know how my people survive the more urban cities like New York or Chicago. Warm and bearable weather with less rain and no snow is ideal for us for a numble of reasons.), I just found out today using Google Map that San Clemente is a very hilly town.

People keep telling me I need to write a thriller where the protagonist is in a wheelchair, so I have a place to put my cripple stories.
post #63 of 158
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I would go out of my way to hold a door on the assumption that it's probably a pain in the ass to try to manuever a wheelchair through something designed for people on two legs.

But I do get the annoyance - I deliver beer and probably about 70% of the time, people trying to "help" just fuck up your shit - "No, thank you, I'VE GOT IT."
I appreciate the thought, I truly do, but sometimes asking "Do you need help with that?" is all that's needed to make the gesture more genuine to us. We can say yes then without pride getting hurt. Chances are, we will say yes if we think you're just trying to help us out.

San Diego ComicCon is fun. I have no qualms about bulldozing my way through crowds. Also, no waiting in lines for a panel because we have less options for seating and need to get in quick. Same reasoning we get to cut lines at Disneyland or any amusement park, it takes us longer to get in rides.
post #64 of 158
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So I go to my local indy bookstore Mysterious Galaxy today and browse, and as is my custom when I go there, I walk over to this sports bar/restaurant Player's and get a BLT and sit in the very nice patio area that's right next to L.A. Fitness. I'm having a perfectly lovely day, especially when the sun comes out. I finish, throw my trash away and start walking back to the store where my bus will pick me up.

I walk by the open area of Player's where you sit outside and watch TV. There's a group of people there that are somewhat loud. I'm not worried, Player's isn't a rough place and I never see anyone absolutely trashed there. I go by and the girl, obviously the ring-leader and about my age, yells

"HEY! Little handicapped boy! WHAT'S UP?"

I walk over and ask "What did you call me?"

"Dude, its okay, chill. Its okay to use that word. Little crippled boy, do you have SPECIAL NEEDS?"

Her friends start chanting every term for physically disabled they can think of.

I flip them off and go away. My mom said I should've gone with "And you're a skanky drunk bitch. Its okay, we're allowed to say skanky drunk bitch now."

Why can't I waive the waiting period? I need a gun NOW.
post #65 of 158
Wow.

That story actually almost makes me wish I believed in hell.

Fuck that nasty little skanknozzle.
post #66 of 158
What the fuck? I swear there are some people around that literally must have been raised by animals.
post #67 of 158
People actually act like that?!
post #68 of 158
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People actually act like that?!
Seriously.

Sadly, I think I would have reacted similar to Cameron. It's just not in my nature to verbally rip someone to shreds.
post #69 of 158
If she's not already, very soon she'll most likely be quickly dieing of a horrible combination of painful STD's. I say this to give comfort.
post #70 of 158
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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes
Also, no waiting in lines for a panel because we have less options for seating and need to get in quick. Same reasoning we get to cut lines at Disneyland or any amusement park, it takes us longer to get in rides.
I *knew* you were running a scam here.
post #71 of 158
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Same reasoning we get to cut lines at Disneyland or any amusement park, it takes us longer to get in rides.
Actually, ever since the ADA passed, theme parks had to make their queues fully wheelchair accessible. We caught all kinds of hell at Universal when we started making wheelchairs go through the lines instead of taking them to the front. The sense of entitlement we sometimes ran into was enormous. "We want to be treated the same as anyone else, unless there's a perk in it for us."

Now, we made exceptions for wheelchairs that were too large to safely navigate the line, or if the person had a condition that made it unsafe for them to do so (couldn't be in the sun/heat, couldn't be around crowds, etc), but, at least at Universal's Orlando parks, the wheelchair is no longer the free ticket to cut the line it once was. Much to the disappointment of the fuckers who have nothing wrong with them but rent a wheelchair to try to skip the queues.
post #72 of 158
That chick sounds like a shitbag. I hope she gets hit by a car, ends up wheelchair-bound, and has waking nightmares of what she said to you every single day of the rest of her life.

Sorry, in a bad mood, projecting!
post #73 of 158
That horrible bookstore experience sounds like something out of the first act of a bad superhero movie. I fully expect you to come across an alien exosuit this week.
post #74 of 158
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Much to the disappointment of the fuckers who have nothing wrong with them but rent a wheelchair to try to skip the queues.
You have to be kidding. Really.
post #75 of 158
That is awful, Cameron Hughes, I'm sorry you had to deal with a person like that. I would never support emotional cruelty towards the handicapped (if this is not the phrase you prefer, no offense was intended, CH) or anyone else for that matter if you're picking on them for a condition they have no control over. That is just wrong

EDIT: I guess I have been through something similar before, my mom always mocks me for typing loudly which I can't avoid because of the nerve damage in my hands
post #76 of 158
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Originally Posted by Jim Barg View Post
You have to be kidding. Really.
I wish I was. I used to see entire families who would rent the electric scooters just so they could zip around the park being assholes and try to scam their way to the front of the lines. Every single one of them could walk with no problems. Meanwhile, that's four ECVs that weren't available to people who actually needed them for legitimate medical reasons.

I'd also see groups of kids who would rent a wheelchair, and every time you saw them, a different kid was sitting in it.

Of course, the ADA makes it a violation to ask someone what their disability is, so there's no real way to stop someone who doesn't need a wheelchair from renting one. You just have to trust in people not being jerks. And good luck with that.
post #77 of 158
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I wish I was. I used to see entire families who would rent the electric scooters just so they could zip around the park being assholes and try to scam their way to the front of the lines. Every single one of them could walk with no problems. Meanwhile, that's four ECVs that weren't available to people who actually needed them for legitimate medical reasons.

I'd also see groups of kids who would rent a wheelchair, and every time you saw them, a different kid was sitting in it.

Of course, the ADA makes it a violation to ask someone what their disability is, so there's no real way to stop someone who doesn't need a wheelchair from renting one. You just have to trust in people not being jerks. And good luck with that.
I've seen this happen at the San Diego ComicCon. They register, rent a wheelchair, and go to the disabled services table where they run and get your badge for you. I totally support asking why you need a wheelchair.
post #78 of 158
Cameron,
I think people who would rent a wheel chair in order to get special services at Disneyland would just lie if asked. I used to fake a need for a wheel chair when I went skiing, but it was just as a joke and not a scam in order to get free stuff, plus I was a teenager. I have no patience for those who would suck up services for handicapped people just because they're lazy. Sadly such deranged fiends no doubt would resort to falsehoods if confronted about their unethical actions

PS RE: The chance people from Cameron's tale were raised by animals

Unlikely. Genuine cases of feral children are few and far between, and such a condition usually leads the individual to be violent and uncommunicative. It would not necessarily instill any predilection for cruelty towards to the diabled. Apart from famous incidents such as the one that resulted in the founding of Rome, kids who spent their early years removed from human contact grow up to be hopelessly incapable of leading productive adult lives
post #79 of 158
at which point is it politically incorrect to dump suspected fake-cripples out of their chairs like they were Lebowski
post #80 of 158
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Cameron,
I think people who would rent a wheel chair in order to get special services at Disneyland would just lie if asked. I used to fake a need for a wheel chair when I went skiing, but it was just as a joke and not a scam in order to get free stuff, plus I was a teenager. I have no patience for those who would suck up services for handicapped people just because they're lazy. Sadly such deranged fiends no doubt would resort to falsehoods if confronted about their unethical actions

PS RE: The chance people from Cameron's tale were raised by animals

Unlikely. Genuine cases of feral children are few and far between, and such a condition usually leads the individual to be violent and uncommunicative. It would not necessarily instill any predilection for cruelty towards to the diabled. Apart from famous incidents such as the one that resulted in the founding of Rome, kids who spent their early years removed from human contact grow up to be hopelessly incapable of leading productive adult lives

post #81 of 158
It's okay Cam, she's an excellent driver, just let her get to K-Mart.
post #82 of 158
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PS RE: The chance people from Cameron's tale were raised by animals

Unlikely. Genuine cases of feral children are few and far between, and such a condition usually leads the individual to be violent and uncommunicative. It would not necessarily instill any predilection for cruelty towards to the diabled. Apart from famous incidents such as the one that resulted in the founding of Rome, kids who spent their early years removed from human contact grow up to be hopelessly incapable of leading productive adult lives
See guys? I TOLD you. Definitely not feral kids. Thanks for clearing that up Kate, stellar research.
post #83 of 158
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See guys? I TOLD you. Definitely not feral kids. Thanks for clearing that up Kate, stellar research.
And there I was, all ready to go Van Helsing on them with silver bullets on the off-chance they were were-wolves!
post #84 of 158
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And there I was, all ready to go Van Helsing on them with silver bullets on the off-chance they were were-wolves!
Pfft, werewolves only live in forests silly.
post #85 of 158
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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes View Post
So I go to my local indy bookstore Mysterious Galaxy today and browse, and as is my custom when I go there, I walk over to this sports bar/restaurant Player's and get a BLT and sit in the very nice patio area that's right next to L.A. Fitness. I'm having a perfectly lovely day, especially when the sun comes out. I finish, throw my trash away and start walking back to the store where my bus will pick me up.

I walk by the open area of Player's where you sit outside and watch TV. There's a group of people there that are somewhat loud. I'm not worried, Player's isn't a rough place and I never see anyone absolutely trashed there. I go by and the girl, obviously the ring-leader and about my age, yells

"HEY! Little handicapped boy! WHAT'S UP?"

I walk over and ask "What did you call me?"

"Dude, its okay, chill. Its okay to use that word. Little crippled boy, do you have SPECIAL NEEDS?"

Her friends start chanting every term for physically disabled they can think of.

I flip them off and go away. My mom said I should've gone with "And you're a skanky drunk bitch. Its okay, we're allowed to say skanky drunk bitch now."

Why can't I waive the waiting period? I need a gun NOW.
Given enough time you learn to ignore people like this, either that or I have such a Neanderthal look, kind of like Ron Perelman, but better looking, I just scare off most people.
post #86 of 158
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Given enough time you learn to ignore people like this, either that or I have such a Neanderthal look, kind of like Ron Perelman, but better looking, I just scare off most people.
I do usually ignore stuff like this.
post #87 of 158
Reading the bookstore story, I'm not sure why but I'm almost more upset at the people with the ringleader bitch than with her. I mean, I've said some ridiculously regrettable stuff when I was younger and drunk. I can't remember a single time that I did that when my friends that were with me didn't call me out on it immediately and make me feel like the horse's ass that I'd behaved like in front of everybody. It sounds like she travels in a black hole that common decency can't penetrate though.
post #88 of 158
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Reading the bookstore story, I'm not sure why but I'm almost more upset at the people with the ringleader bitch than with her. I mean, I've said some ridiculously regrettable stuff when I was younger and drunk. I can't remember a single time that I did that when my friends that were with me didn't call me out on it immediately and make me feel like the horse's ass that I'd behaved like in front of everybody. It sounds like she travels in a black hole that common decency can't penetrate though.
No shit, had anyone in my group of friends had tried that, we would have beaten the shit out of him. I remember once when I was very young, my dad took me to the video store and parked in a handicapped spot. We parked right by this restaurant with a patio bar and the way my dad tells it, there was this group of big strong guys ready to have a "talk" with my dad about where he parked. As soon as he lifted me out, they calmed down. I believe people are inherently decent because of stories like this
post #89 of 158
I have a friend in a wheelchair and he tells me the most hilarious and insane stories. He can't help but have a sense of humor about his condition.

One of my favorite stories involved him at a really busy bar. Some strange guy comes out of nowhere, leans down to my friend's ear and says: "Next time I fuck your mom, I am going to break her arm." He proceeded to walk away and disappear like Batman or something. My friend's jaw just dropped and he sat there in shock. He never saw him again. I don't know if that has anything to do with him being in a wheelchair, nor if that is a line from some flick or something, but it was bizarre. Clearly, he was singled out for his condition - yet what it has to do with his condition is beyond us.

Regardless, we have fun when we hang out. I love giving him shit about being in a wheelchair around other people that don't know he or I too well. These people will pull me aside and tell me to "cool it or there will be trouble".

Or as mentioned by another poster, he will go to the mall and intentionally run into people. They will hop aside and profusely apologize. My friend will wheel away and just call these people morons.

I can say that I have definitely learned something though. I hold the door for anyone just to be polite. It never struck me that a seemingly nice gesture could be misconstrued as degrading. I will definitely ask a disabled individual if they need help from now on. Very good to know.
post #90 of 158
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I have a friend in a wheelchair and he tells me the most hilarious and insane stories. He can't help but have a sense of humor about his condition.

One of my favorite stories involved him at a really busy bar. Some strange guy comes out of nowhere, leans down to my friend's ear and says: "Next time I fuck your mom, I am going to break her arm." He proceeded to walk away and disappear like Batman or something. My friend's jaw just dropped and he sat there in shock. He never saw him again. I don't know if that has anything to do with him being in a wheelchair, nor if that is a line from some flick or something, but it was bizarre. Clearly, he was singled out for his condition - yet what it has to do with his condition is beyond us.

Regardless, we have fun when we hang out. I love giving him shit about being in a wheelchair around other people that don't know he or I too well. These people will pull me aside and tell me to "cool it or there will be trouble".

Or as mentioned by another poster, he will go to the mall and intentionally run into people. They will hop aside and profusely apologize. My friend will wheel away and just call these people morons.

I can say that I have definitely learned something though. I hold the door for anyone just to be polite. It never struck me that a seemingly nice gesture could be misconstrued as degrading. I will definitely ask a disabled individual if they need help from now on. Very good to know.
Too awesome. Show him this thread!
post #91 of 158
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Guys, I'd really prefer not to see the word cripple being thrown around on CHUD. I can say it because I'm the one in the chair, but its not a cool word.
post #92 of 158
Someone's gonna show up and post some shit about how it's unfair that handicapped people can only call each other "cripple", just wait
post #93 of 158
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Someone's gonna show up and post some shit about how it's unfair that handicapped people can only call each other "cripple", just wait
Yeah, some people really feel that over-privileged on the internet. They'd never call me or anyone else in a chair crippled to our faces. I know some people in chairs that hate that I use it, and I know a few that have the same sense of humor about it that I do, but its seriously not a cool word to throw around.
post #94 of 158
I'm also the bleeding-heart weiner who kinda groaned to myself when I first saw your e-mail address, even if I totally get it now.
post #95 of 158
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I'm also the bleeding-heart weiner who kinda groaned to myself when I first saw your e-mail address, even if I totally get it now.
I was young and dumb.
post #96 of 158
Can we use cr*pple?
post #97 of 158
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Can we use cr*pple?
No.
post #98 of 158
I fail Cameron. Sorry again!

Something something dongcock.
post #99 of 158
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Originally Posted by Sammy Jankis View Post
I think it's ok to hold the door open for people, but not cripples.

... Or hold it open for them like you would for anyone else, but not because they're incapable of opening it without you. And be sure to pat them on the head for being so brave.
This is crazy. Just the other week I helped an old man in a wheel chair through some heavy double doors. He thanked me. Are you trying to tell me I was somehow in the wrong?
post #100 of 158
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This is crazy. Just the other week I helped an old man in a wheel chair through some heavy double doors. He thanked me. Are you trying to tell me I was somehow in the wrong?
Yes. I thank people too, but I was raised to be polite. Did you assume he couldn't because he was old and in a wheelchair?

Asking first isn't that hard.
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