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The so-called "Black Lung" outbreak in the Ukraine

post #1 of 27
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So my brother listens to Alex Jones, and he was going on and on about this the other day, and I'm wondering if any of the sane folks around these parts knows anything more about this, and if it is even worthy of discussion.

Apparently in the Ukraine there is a huge outbreak of a mutant strain of the H1N1 flu that exhibits the same symptoms as "Black Lung," and I want to find out some more info about it, but it appears that only the right wing blog sites are covering it (which sort of gives me more information right there). I don't have any links to share, because I don't know how many of them are actually credible, but if you do a Google search for "Black Lung Ukraine" you should find plenty of blogs featuring stories about it.

I'm basically just wondering if anyone else has heard anything about this, and can point me to any coverage by a source that doesn't sound like a transcript of Alex Jones' radio show.
post #2 of 27
Doesn't surprise me. The Ukraine is a sitting duck. A road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
post #3 of 27
This was a point of discussion on one of Jimmy Dore's podcasts last week (I think it was last week) and it was the first I'd heard of it. They didn't have much more info on it than what you seem to have, but they stories they read indicated it wasn't H1N1 but rather some form of Pnumonic plague variant. They offered some links to a supposed Israeli biologist who appeard on a radio show in Europe discussing a breach of quarantine at a bio weapons lab that led to a cantagion being smuggled out and possibly released. Of course, those links are dead and there are apparently no records of this supposed radio show. In short, it's a conspiracy theorists dream come true. I'm more likely to believe that it's a standard swine-flu outbreak or something and the lack of information is all that's fueling the fire.

ETA: UKRAINE IS GAME TO YOU?
post #4 of 27
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Doesn't surprise me. The Ukraine is a sitting duck. A road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Obviously you havent played "Risk"; Ukraine is the focus point of the game, and key to unleashing a world of hurt.
post #5 of 27
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Right, and that's what is bothering me. I'd like some rational information I could point to whenever my brother talks about how this is some conspiracy by the Bilderberg Group of the one world government or whatever the hell it is Jones goes on about, but all the sites that are talking about this story seem to be of that mindset.

ETA: This was in response to Bill Brasky. Curse you, Ryoken.
post #6 of 27
I ran a search in Lexis Nexis Academic for H1N1 and Ukraine with the limit set to major U.S. and World Publications. I found this in the Globe and Mail, considered to be one of the papers of record in Canada. Entitled "The Ministry of Misinformation: Flu Fears and Rumours Paralyze Ukraine," it was published by Susan Sachs on the 9th of November, 2009 -

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With classes cancelled after the government declared a flu epidemic, Eric Barsadanyan and his friends spend their days hunched over cigarettes and soft drinks in the gloom of an empty coffee shop on the third floor of an equally empty shopping mall.

They had not heard of the H1N1 virus even a week ago. But they are pretty sure they understand it now.

"You catch it from imported food and clothing that isn't clean," said Mr. Barsadanyan, an 18-year-old first-year medical student who wears his close-cropped hair shaved into stripes along the sides.

He is not worried because he heard that the Ministry of Health has taken a somewhat unusual step. "They sprayed the city," he explained, "with the necessary products."

Ukraine has been awash with such misinformation about H1N1 for the last week, since Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko set off a public panic by shutting schools, banning public gatherings and warning that whole cities might have to be quarantined to prevent the spread of the disease. They were the most draconian measures taken by any country since the flu first appeared in Mexico last spring.

But it is still far from clear whether Ukraine is in the grips of a runaway H1N1 epidemic, as some officials have suggested, or whether the precautions were a confused overreaction to a predictable winter outbreak of seasonal flu.

The numbers coming from different government agencies and state media have been wildly contradictory.

Depending on the source, the number of reported cases of flu and respiratory illness last month ranged from under 7,000 all the way up to half a million, with no indication of how many people normally fall ill or die from the flu in the winter in this country of 40 million people.

The Ministry of Health has also issued conflicting information on the number of flu cases, flu-related deaths and suspected deaths due to the H1N1 virus. At one point, according to a state news agency report, a ministry official said flu deaths were down 10 per cent over last year.

An initial assessment from the World Health Organization - which sent a team of medical experts to Ukraine after a desperate plea for emergency aid from the country's President - was that the H1N1 virus could be confirmed as the cause of one of some 80 reported deaths from flu in the past two weeks.

The inconsistencies only increased public uncertainty about what was actually happening, and many Ukrainians appeared to have decided to prepare for the worst.

Across the country, people have emptied pharmacies of masks, gauze, vitamins and every variety of flu and cold medication. Rumours abound that helicopters have tried to disinfect Kiev by spraying it with chlorine gas. Government officials have gone on national television to deny other rumours that rural western Ukraine is in the grip of a deadly unnamed plague.

The flu epidemic was announced against the backdrop of a tightly fought presidential campaign pitting President Victor Yushchenko, the leader of Ukraine's 2004 Orange Revolution, against Ms. Tymoshenko. He was forced to cancel a planned campaign rally last week after the ban on public gatherings was announced.

A third candidate, the opposition leader Victor Yanukovych, has accused his rivals of trying to exploit public health fears to advance their flagging campaigns.

For many ordinary people, the political squabbling has added another element of doubt to the H1N1 scare.

"There is always some kind of fever - economic, health-wise or political - before an election. It's a nice way for politicians to show they are doing something," said Larysa Kostrikina, a graphic artist. "I think this one will be over when the election is over" in January.

Not even gauze was available in the city by midweek. But that did not stop people from stopping in at every pharmacy in hopes of finding a talisman against a virus that many referred to as the "lung plague."

Anything, it seemed, would do for the crowd gathered around the window of a tiny drug store outside the entrance to the Pozdnyaki subway station in Kiev one evening last week.

"I'm not sick. I just want to strengthen my immune system," said one middle-aged woman wrapped in a heavy overcoat and a fraying homemade mask. She was looking for a Russian-made cream that was particularly sought-after in Kiev because it is supposed to kill viruses when spread inside the nostrils.

In Canada and many Western countries, the H1N1 virus has been in the news for months and a public debate has been raging for weeks over how to handle the vaccine. That debate has passed many other countries by, however.

In Ukraine, until the government abruptly declared an epidemic last week, the new virus was the subject of only sketchy references in the media.

"People naturally are panicked because they don't know about this and haven't been prepared for it," said Michail Radutsky, president of the private Boris Clinic, one of the biggest private clinics in the country.

Its doctors have seen four times the usual number of patients in the past week, he said. Some have flu-like symptoms. Most, however, are just frightened.
I can keep going, if you'd like.
post #7 of 27
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I would like, but I really don't want you to put yourself out. I can use this as a pretty good jumping off point, and do my own search on Lexis Nexis. Thanks so much, Zooey! 'tis appreciated.
post #8 of 27
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Doesn't surprise me. The Ukraine is a sitting duck. A road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
But they're dying Jim......
post #9 of 27
Zooey, of course Lexis/Nexis is going to print that. That's what they want you to believe! Open your eyes, Zooey! Clearly the Reptiles are re-engineering the plague to wipe us all out and finally emerge from their 4th dimensional bases underneath the surface of the earth.
post #10 of 27
If you've got access to Lexis Nexis, have a look for yourself. I just noticed that the BBC seems to be reporting the number of flu cases announced by the Ukraine as fact, or they were in November, anyway. I've also found references to very, very small numbers of people developing vaccine-resistant strains of the flu, some of which are in the Ukraine ("Experts Say Swine Flu Mutations in Several Nations Do Not Warrant New Alarm," The New York Times, 28 November 2009).

Let me know if you need help kicking Lexis Nexis around. Knowledge is power and all that.

In the meantime, I'll be over here, knitting a tinfoil hat for Doc Happenin. Give me your brother's measurements and I'll be happy to make a second.
post #11 of 27
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I think you might need to knit a third one for the first commenter under that article:

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I would like an update on the Ukraine situation. If you ask me, this article further confirms that there is a North American media blackout concerning the massive outbreak of the pneumonia-like illness there. (over 1 million people now)
How is it that SARS got daily front page coverage in the media, whereas the biggest outbreak in recent history is being hidden from us - and even mislabelled as H1N1 when international experts are publicly explaining the huge difference in symptoms and reactions. They call it pneumonia. They call it a plague.
Thanks G&M for defining yourselves. Good front page story about Celine Dion's by the way....
This is why I know that this might ultimately be a futile endeavor, because no matter how many of these sites I find, people like my brother will ignore them. He'll just shrug it off as being part of the "Corporate Media," and assert that only brave outsiders like Alex Jones are speaking the truth.
post #12 of 27
So glad I stopped reading Alex Jones when I turned 19.
post #13 of 27
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Right, and that's what is bothering me. I'd like some rational information I could point to whenever my brother talks about how this is some conspiracy by the Bilderberg Group of the one world government or whatever the hell it is Jones goes on about, but all the sites that are talking about this story seem to be of that mindset.

ETA: This was in response to Bill Brasky. Curse you, Ryoken.
What the hell did I do?
post #14 of 27
What's worse: Black Lung or Popcorn Lung?
post #15 of 27
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This is why I know that this might ultimately be a futile endeavor, because no matter how many of these sites I find, people like my brother will ignore them. He'll just shrug it off as being part of the "Corporate Media," and assert that only brave outsiders like Alex Jones are speaking the truth.
In the information literacy class I've taught this semester, we did an entire class on news literacy. I started off the lecture by asking where everyone got their news. In each class, I had more than one student inform me that they didn't read or watch the news because the news media is "biased" and doesn't provide good information. That was difficult to take in calmly, to say the least.

The Pew Research Center for the People and the Press have been doing an interesting study on that very topic. There's an overview here.

Edit - I think you know what you did, Ryoken. We all know what you did.
post #16 of 27
So I gather Putin is placing the final pieces on the chess board of world domination. Soon Europe will fall and with the heartland weakened by the plague spread by illegal immigrants the communist fifth column will have no trouble surrendering the US to the New Eurasian Communist Empire. And Obama will finally take his place at the right side of Putin's throne.
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So I gather Putin is placing the final pieces on the chess board of world domination. Soon Europe will fall and with the heartland weakened by the plague spread by illegal immigrants the communist fifth column will have no trouble surrendering the US to the New Eurasian Communist Empire. And Obama will finally take his place at the right side of Putin's throne.
Russian official: The Soviet Union will be pleased to offer amnesty to
your wayward vessel.
American official: The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up.
Russian official: Yes, that's what we wanted you to think!
post #18 of 27
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What the hell did I do?
Nothing. I was just giving you shit for getting in the way of my response to Brasky. It's all good.
post #19 of 27
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Nothing. I was just giving you shit for getting in the way of my response to Brasky. It's all good.
Well, good shit is hard to fin, so I'll take it.
post #20 of 27
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I ran a search in Lexis Nexis Academic for H1N1 and Ukraine with the limit set to major U.S. and World Publications. I found this in the Globe and Mail, considered to be one of the papers of record in Canada. Entitled "The Ministry of Misinformation: Flu Fears and Rumours Paralyze Ukraine," it was published by Susan Sachs on the 9th of November, 2009 -
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Originally Posted by Chris Olson View Post
This is why I know that this might ultimately be a futile endeavor, because no matter how many of these sites I find, people like my brother will ignore them. He'll just shrug it off as being part of the "Corporate Media," and assert that only brave outsiders like Alex Jones are speaking the truth.
The funny thing is that the Globe and Mail is, I don't want to say a biased source, let's say they aren't known for following proper journalistic ethics. One of the sources they like using a lot is The Fraser Institute. I mean they're not as bad as the Sun media conglomerate but they're not free from sin, either.
post #21 of 27
No journalistic source is perfect. I found that article, did some research on the paper, and thought it looked kosher enough for our purposes. Of course, one should never trust a single source when looking for any information on an issue, much less a controversial one like this.
post #22 of 27
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No journalistic source is perfect. I found that article, did some research on the paper, and thought it looked kosher enough for our purposes. Of course, one should never trust a single source when looking for any information on an issue, much less a controversial one like this.
It wasn't a comment on your using the source, MissZ, it was more a comment on someone thinking that the G&M might be part of some vast media conspiracy (likely started by them libruls).
post #23 of 27
Well, surely it is! I mean, COME ON. We all know the "C" in CNN stands for "Canadian."

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, MY FRIENDS!
post #24 of 27
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Well, surely it is! I mean, COME ON. We all know the "C" in CNN stands for "Canadian."

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, MY FRIENDS!
I thought the "C" stood for "Commie." This sounds like a conspiracy. What a minute...conspiracy starts with "C" too. Someone get Glenn Beck into this thread, STAT!
post #25 of 27
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So glad I stopped reading Alex Jones when I turned 19.
I'm glad I NEVER read Alex Jones' stuff. From the excerpts and quotes and things people who listen to him wax on about forever, he seems like a level of crazy that I don't need in my life.

Although I found this funny.
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Amazing.
post #27 of 27
Ah yes, first They said this was pneumonic black plague (which at least exists) and then the WHO said that no, Ukraine is not in the grips of some major illness other than H1N1, so the conspiracy theorists changed the name to "black lung". Fuck, conspiracy theorists are annoying. That shit doesn't even exist.
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