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Meghan McCain: Why does Hollywood hate our Troops?

post #1 of 32
12/9/09 at 5:22pm
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Did she even watch the movie?

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Brothers is the latest film to depict soldiers as deserters or lunatics. Meghan McCain says it’s time to celebrate our heroes with war movies that tell it like it really is.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...ps/?cid=hp:exc
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post #2 of 32
12/9/09 at 5:23pm
Clearly she's trying to curry favor with conservatives again after the scandalous canz pic incident.
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post #3 of 32
12/9/09 at 5:25pm
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How many deserters do you actually hear about on the news? Not very many.
I'll wager (and possibly be wrong) but wouldn't the military strongly control such information? I would think that a high number of deserters would contribute to a declining morale.
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post #4 of 32
12/9/09 at 5:32pm
I haven't heard about too many deserters, but Fraggings, shooting rampages, and consciencous objectors have been off the charts lately.
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post #5 of 32
12/9/09 at 5:52pm
How does Brothers depict a deserter? SPOILERS: Doesn't Tobey's helicopter in Afganistan get shot down and he is tortured by the taliban in the movie?

Is she talking about Stop Loss? An indie production released by MTV films (paramount) made by Kimberly Pierce which was inspired by her brother who was stop-lossed.

BTW: "Hollywood" makes jingoistic crap like Michael Bay movies and Independence day.

-Redacted was an indie production
-so was Hurt Locker. Yes, there are some wingnuts that hate the movie.
-Farenheit 9/11 was dropped by a major studio and picked up by lions gate.
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post #6 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:12pm
Didn't John McCain crack under Vietnamese tortue and confess to war crimes?
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post #7 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
Didn't John McCain crack under Vietnamese tortue and confess to war crimes?
It's a tangled web they weave.
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post #8 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
I'll wager (and possibly be wrong) but wouldn't the military strongly control such information? I would think that a high number of deserters would contribute to a declining morale.
There was Bethany Smith. And I don't know if it would be called desertion, but Alexis Hutchinson failed to show up for duty.
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post #9 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:17pm
A heroic war movie? My God, Hollywood's never even heard of such a thing!
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post #10 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:18pm
And military people go AWOL or desert all the time. It's hardly newsworthy.
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post #11 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:18pm
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There was Bethany Smith. And I don't know if it would be called desertion, but Alexis Hutchinson failed to show up for duty.
I'll wager that there are more but like I said the military probably strongly controls such information.
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post #12 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:22pm
Yeah, really not sure what the fuck she's talking about based on what I know of the movie.

Why is it so bad to portray how going to war can effect a soldier? Maybe she thinks she's helping soldierly morale by discussing the average soldier as some righteous and invincible defender of justice who went through the grinder and came out a Real American Hero. My guess is that this sort of thinking actually makes a lot of soldiers who return home feel pretty isolated since they don't live up to the standards set for them by people with unrealistic ideas about modern warfare.

Meanwhile a movie like Brothers or The Hurt Locker could provide some sense of catharsis for troops struggling with similar emotions as the characters in those films, and at the very least said films help establish that soldiers, being blunt, go through some shit and probably have at least a couple of issues in need of being resolved.
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post #13 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:24pm
Makes me wonder what she thought about Jarhead.*

*Not really.
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post #14 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
Didn't John McCain crack under Vietnamese tortue and confess to war crimes?
Yes. Yes he did. And the guys who held out hate his guts for it, because there are rumors he got special treatment afterwards.

But shssss..... we're not supposed to talk about that. Didn't you get the memo during campaign 08, Rourkefan?
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post #15 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:50pm
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Yes. Yes he did. And the guys who held out hate his guts for it, because there are rumors he got special treatment afterwards.

But shssss..... we're not supposed to talk about that. Didn't you get the memo during campaign 08, Rourkefan?
I don't care about the special treatment rumors, but it is ironic that she objected to a soldier in Brothers cracking under pressure when here daddy cracked 10 years before she was born.
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post #16 of 32
12/9/09 at 6:54pm
What does the torture of John McCain have to do with what his daughter is saying about Hollywood?

ETA: I guess Rourke made some connection there. But she's not saying soldiers don't crack. She talks about PTSD in her article. She is taking issue with the fact that the "realistic" dramas over the last several years made about the current wars tend to portray soldiers in a negative light by unduly focusing on deserters and nutcases who crack because of the pressures of war. It makes for a good story and might be reflective of a lot of filmmakers' views of war and the military. But she misses the mark because, as Jacob says, there are a good number of "heroic" war movies out there. A lot of these movies tend to be more over-the-top action movies, but you also get well-made films like Rescue Dawn with positive and realistic portrayals of war-time heroism. Just out of curiosity, are there any mainstream movies like this for the two current wars?

The thing I keep coming back to on this is why does anyone care what Meghan McCain has to say on this subject?
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post #17 of 32
12/9/09 at 7:04pm
1. Her article took issue with Spiderman coming back from Afganistan "broken". She said that it is bad that "Hollywood" exaggerates in movies that show soldiers deserting and displaying signs of PSTD. That it is bad for morale.

Her dad had PSTD, "Hollywood" isn't exaggerating PSTD or deserters.

2. My other issue is that most of these "anti-soldier" movies are made by independent studios like HDNET. The Big studios tend to make stupid movies and don't give two shits about politics one way or the other.

3. Outside of Michael Moore, most political movies make shit at the box office. She tried to make the arguement that Boxoffice = Good. Most movies that make money are shit. Ironically, I beleive that most Iraq movies outside of a few documentaries have been shit until Hurt Locker came out.

BTW: No Vietnam movie made money while the war was going on. It wasn't until 1978 with the Deer Hunter and again in 1986 with Platoon that people became interested in Nam.
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post #18 of 32
12/9/09 at 8:48pm
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Yeah, really not sure what the fuck she's talking about based on what I know of the movie.

Why is it so bad to portray how going to war can effect a soldier? Maybe she thinks she's helping soldierly morale by discussing the average soldier as some righteous and invincible defender of justice who went through the grinder and came out a Real American Hero. My guess is that this sort of thinking actually makes a lot of soldiers who return home feel pretty isolated since they don't live up to the standards set for them by people with unrealistic ideas about modern warfare.

Meanwhile a movie like Brothers or The Hurt Locker could provide some sense of catharsis for troops struggling with similar emotions as the characters in those films, and at the very least said films help establish that soldiers, being blunt, go through some shit and probably have at least a couple of issues in need of being resolved.
Pfft. Commie.
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post #19 of 32
12/9/09 at 9:01pm
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Yes. Yes he did. And the guys who held out hate his guts for it, because there are rumors he got special treatment afterwards.
What special treatment? He got offered early release because of his father and he turned it down, end of story.

Geez.
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post #20 of 32
12/9/09 at 9:31pm
Who gives a shit what Meghan McCain has to say anyway? Why are we even talking about this? Topics like this make me want to have a brain abortion.
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post #21 of 32
12/9/09 at 9:46pm
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What special treatment? He got offered early release because of his father and he turned it down, end of story.

Geez.
I would have broke after the first minute of torture.

The point is that Megan McCain doesn't get that there are some troops who have PTSD and are crazy. Like her Dad after being brutalized by the Vietcong.
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post #22 of 32
12/9/09 at 9:47pm
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Who gives a shit what Meghan McCain has to say anyway? Why are we even talking about this? Topics like this make me want to have a brain abortion.
You have a point, but the boxoffice = good thing in her article pissed me off.
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post #23 of 32
12/9/09 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
I would have broke after the first minute of torture.

The point is that Megan McCain doesn't get that there are sometroops who have PSTD and are crazy. Like her Dad after being brutalized by the Vietcong.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. PTSD. Sorry - nitpick, I know. Carry on...
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post #24 of 32
12/9/09 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
I would have broke after the first minute of torture.

The point is that Megan McCain doesn't get that there are sometroops who have PSTD and are crazy. Like her Dad after being brutalized by the Vietcong.
Oh she gets that, she obviously believes its unpatriotic and bad for soldiers or anyone else to admit to that reality in any way shape or form.

So she essentially supports the premise behind pumping out propoganda and nothing else.

It's ostrich nonsense but it's been around a lot longer as a position than looking at the reality of what can happen to an armed force in wartime.
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post #25 of 32
12/10/09 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Pfft. Commie.
Shit, they're on to me.

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Who gives a shit what Meghan McCain has to say anyway? Why are we even talking about this? Topics like this make me want to have a brain abortion.
Because someone on the Internet was wrong.
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post #26 of 32
12/11/09 at 11:41am
Did anyone gently inform her that it's a remake of a Danish movie?
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post #27 of 32
12/14/09 at 7:23pm
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Did anyone gently inform her that it's a remake of a Danish movie?
Why does Denmark hate our troops?
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post #28 of 32
12/14/09 at 7:42pm
Has she not watched Band of Brothers?
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post #29 of 32
12/14/09 at 8:01pm
Well, offhand I'd say there's probably not a ton of dramatic potential in the story of "Well-adjusted soldier comes home from war and lives relatively happily ever after."

As for "heroic" Afghanistan and Iraq movies...we're a bit past the days of "The Green Berets." People (except apparently Meghan McCain) realize that war isn't really "feelgood" stuff. I'm sure ten or twenty years from now some filmmakers will get the idea to show some of the more heroic bits of the current conflicts (and there have undoubtedly been plenty of them), but in the here and now it's a lot harder to judge, particularly when the longer-term results of both wars remain very much up in the air.
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post #30 of 32
12/14/09 at 9:46pm
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As for "heroic" Afghanistan and Iraq movies...we're a bit past the days of "The Green Berets." People (except apparently Meghan McCain) realize that war isn't really "feelgood" stuff.
Especially considering the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
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post #31 of 32
12/15/09 at 12:00pm
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Especially considering the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
Good thing that never happened in WWII, the source of so many "heroic war movies."
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post #32 of 32
12/15/09 at 12:12pm
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Well, offhand I'd say there's probably not a ton of dramatic potential in the story of "Well-adjusted soldier comes home from war and lives relatively happily ever after."
You know, I think there are a ton of ideas like that one waiting to be filmed.

"Boy grows up in a loving family, gets an education, an OK job and in time starts his own family."

"Cop is doing his job. He tries to always be helpful. Sometimes the job tires him but it's nothing he can't handle. He retires and starts making decorative carvings for his friends and family."

"Teens go camping for the weekend. They drink some beers, though not too much. They smoke some pot, though not too much. Some of them even have sex. They return to their homes on Sunday afternoon and go to the movies."

Damn, that's a goldmine.
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