Al Qaeda attack on Detroit Airliner

Didn't he get on in Nigeria? Pretty sure the US doesn't have that much control over Nigerian airport security procedures.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_403892.html

Water! Water!
Impressive.

How lame. This is the best they come up with? I havn't talked to one person at work this morning who is in any way more scared today after the flamable Nigerian incident than they were before they'd known about it. Al Qaeda would have caused more terror if they'd attacked a Salvation Army worker outside an Arkansas Walmart*. I guess it's a good thing they're sort of hilariously incompetent bunglers, for the most part. Their evil scheme to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge by blow torch comes to mind, LOLz



Although this one has a uniformed detail of musical guards, so maybe it's more difficult than I'd estimated : P

You KNOW the Cheney's are going to be all over this event. They'll go on and on about how there wasn't a single terrorist attack during the Bush years and how there has already been one in the Obama years. And the MSM will refuse to call them out on the fact that the 9/11, the Anthrax Killer, and Richard Reid all happened on their watch.

Edit: typos and my in-browser spellcheck apparently replaced a garbled "there" with "their." I know the difference between their/there/they're.

Plus the escalation of terror attacks in Europe and the middle east!!

I am actually FOR profiling at airports. There are not enough resources to treat everyone equally. That very idea is insane. If when judging potential security risks we are treating the old American woman in the wheel chair equally with an Arab American man in his 20s, than we have serious problems

With that said....

TSA screeners basically need to all be fired and we need to start over again. We need professionals who do not belittle or bully when searching, and know inside and out the legality and justification for any action they may undertake.

I'd like to think that with better screeners and a more dignified screening process, Arab Americans and other such types wouldn't mind. As long as they are being treated like human beings and American citizens, they'd gladly consent to a quick search or additional background checks. It's more honest and upfront than the government just spying on their phone calls and emails anyway, at least. And if they're American and love this country, why wouldn't they want to help out?*

I know I would, were I in their place**


*Again, my opinion on this is conditional on screening processes being drastically reworked/improved. Without those requisites, I can't in good faith say that an Arab family should want to submit to abusive screening procedures.

**I'm serious, too

We live in a country where a girl who transferred colleges because there were too many Asians there and exclaimed "Sambo beat the bitch!" when she heard the results of the Democratic primaries ended up being the bottom half of the Republican ticket last year. Last year also treated us to large rallies--where the same girl was the main draw--where "Kill the nigger!" was a common chant. Providing evidence is sadly unnecessary for making this case.

He is not Al Qaeda.

You do not need to be a racist to be for racial profiling, or english as the national language (two positions I support in limited specific circumstances).

But yes, this country is full of hateful people, as I am learning. Growing up I thought that shouting the N word in public was only something that happened in movies anymore. Sadly 2008 provided quite an education to the contrary.

I was watching CNN at 2 am last night, and Ali Velshi called him an "Al Quaeda Extremist" several times. These days is that just a catch all term for nut jobs with violent schemes?

You know that Yemen is a country, right? I have links to the USA, doesn't mean I'm CIA.

Or even possibly just a lone nut, perish the thought.

Haha, classic.

(Not trying to insult Rourkefan, I just found Devin's remark really funny for whatever reason)

Romulus, Michigan (CNN) -- A Nigerian man is "talking a lot" to the FBI, said a senior U.S. official, after what the United States believes was an attempted terrorist attack on an inbound international flight.
The initial impression is that the suspect was acting alone and did not have any formal connections to organized terrorist groups, said the official, who is familiar with the investigation.

Any word from Star Fleet? Maybe they picked up some communications to Al Qaeda on long range sensors

But why let facts get in the way of a good panic?

That nation is where the USS Cole got attacked, back in 2000.

Huffpo says that this woman was a passenger who claims that the Nigerian's skin had melted

Is it just me or does that look like Dawn from the Non-UK Office?

Filmmaker saves the day!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us...pagewanted=all

Sadly the tragic case Theo Van Gogh shows that not all Dutch film directors are as adept at foiling terror plots

Presidential Medal of Freedom is the highest honor that can be bestowed on a non soldier

Now that I think of it though RF, I am not completely sure the PMOF can go to a non citizen. So don't quote me on that.

But yes, classy guy. I am not sure I'd have the guts to jump on to someone who was on fire like that.

Al Qaeda has been a very disappointing terrorist group. They perpetrate the most horrifying terrorist act in history, and every attempt since then has been piddling and about as effective as a toddler with a Nerf bat.

I'm glad they're a bunch of losers, but the part of me that appreciates excellence in all things can't help but sadly shake his head. They peaked early, just like Orson Welles.

You're forgetting the Afghan-Russo War and much of the terrorism activity of the '90s. They've been after us ever since we turned down their offer to fight Gulf War I for us. If 9/11 turns out to be the biggest thing they ever do, that's a late-stage event at this point.

That's because the orginal Al Qaeda organization was pretty much decimated after 911. Osama is still out there (maybe) but most of the lieutenants have been killed or captured and the infrastructure (Training camps, financing etc) have been destroyed.

This guy is like Richard Reid, a wannabe who may (or may not, it's still not clear) be claiming to be part of the organization.

Just like the Allies took out all the He Man Nazi in 1945: today all you've got left are double digit IQ, pot bellied skin heads claiming to be Nazi.

Which is not to say they still can't do some damage.

One person off of the presumably thousands on a no-fly list isn't exactly a shining example of a threat to the ACLU's efforts to get rid of the no-fly list.

And let's face it, you should question the no-fly list to begin with, since it obviously doesn't work since this dude still managed to get on a plane.

And it was so obvious he was a terrorist! I mean, he had a beard!

Meanwhile my younger brother was detained and missed his flight to New York from France last summer (and continues to be detained every single time he flies) because someone with his name is on the list. Never mind the fact that they have different middle names, different birthdays, and are different ethnicities.

Apparently he's not the stereotypical terrorist.

Also, the article quotes the guy's father as saying his son was indeed meeting with al-Qaeda.

Three idiots with the Anarchist's Cookbook are Al Qaeda. The infrastructure and leadership of Al Qaeda is gone, and the only reason we keep pretending dipshits like these are Al Qaeda is because they're a good boogey man name. And the irony is that we give dipshits like these all the cred they could want.

Sleep, sleep, sleep. You are getting drowsy. There is nothing to fear.

So I'm doing my best to piece it together from news articles, but I'm hoping there are more knowledgeable souls here who can help me. What is the extent of the new regulations on travelers coming into the US? I'm in Canada and want to know what to expect when coming back into the States in two weeks, specifically the definition of "personal items" that I'll have to stow.

Al Qaida is a movement, not an organization. They've spread out franchises everywhere across the globe.

Outside of their strongholds in Pakistan and their dwindling numbers in Iraq, you've got groups like Al-Qaida in the Lands of the Islamic Magrheb (AQIM) in Northern Africa, al-Shabaab and East Africa Al-Qaida (EAAQ) in Somalia and the Horn of Africa, Boko Haram in Nigeria, AQAP in Yemen (the groups it looks this guy was trained by), Jemaah Islamiya in South East Asia, and a number of networks of supporters and potential operatives all through Western and Eastern Europe, to name just a few. All of these groups have connections to AQ core and receive or give support to some degree. AQ middlemen Abd-al Rahman Atiyah, Yahya al-Libi , etc are still out there likely making connections. These groups do not just consist of a few guys with a manual. They're conducting attacks and plotting against the West and their own regional governments on a day to day basis. You've also got any number of lone wolves who have been inspired by AQ who make connections through the internet who are indeed dangerous, despite these apparent failed plots.

AQ has been full of a bunch of fuckups before 9/11. Several months before the USS Cole attack off the coast of Yemen in late 2000, in early 2000 they attempted to attack the USS Sullivans in a similar location but they loaded the boat up with so much explosives the boat sank. Ramzi Youssef's (the guy behind the original WTC bombing) Bojinka plot in the mid 90s, which involved blowing up and crashing numerous airliners, was discovered because of an accidental fire in an apartment in SE Asia. That doesn't mean the use of airliners as a weapon was abandoned. Just because they often fail in their plots that doesn't mean they're nothing we shouldn't focus on considering "the movement" conducts attacks nearly on a daily basis throughout the world. Just because we don't always hear about these attacks in the media (because they're not always against White people) that doesn't mean they don't exist.

I am awaiting the day when we get some real Cobra motherfuckers though. I admit AQ doesn't quite fit that bill yet.

But the point is that they don't tend to have the abilities to mount a successful attack on Americans on our own soil. There are plenty of terrorist types out there doing all kinds of bad stuff to people, but so were the Tamil Tigers until this year. I'm not saying we should ignore them from a strategic POV, I'm saying 99.99% of Americans shouldn't really be sweating it. But instead you now can't read a book during the final hour of any international flight coming into the US. It's stupid.

Flying into the US is going to be even more of a bite in the ass now. Why not just blindfold us and chain us to the floor?

"Gag and Bag that Nazi muffin!"

Dont give them ideas.

But Devin is pretty spot on regarding the abundant use of the Al Qaeda name. Because uneducated people all over the world cannot seem to grasp the idea of dozens of small terrorist groups, often with radically different agendas and frequently directly opposing each other, fighting over recruits or even killing each other over disputes of faith, the "Al Qaeda" boogeyman has to suffice. Pathetic, really, because no, its not a "movement".

The concept of jihad is a "movement", in the sense that it is used by fundamentalists. Al Qaeda is a catch-all term for terrorists, and America seems to be at a point where everyone with a box cutter and a bad attitude can claim to be part of Al Qaeda just for shits and giggles, and a Cheney, Rove or similar hate-filled suit is going to come out of the woodworks and request a MAJOR cutback in civil liberties or basic human decency to prevent further "terrorist attacks"

Happening now; Pilot from Delta plane on Amsterdam to Detroit reports an emergency in the plane and there's reports of somebody detained in the plane because of being disruptive.

Usually after this there's a bunch of false reports, hopefully that's the case here ...

Update: Same flight as the last incident, also plane is on the ground but is being held in a "remote" area of the airport.

Investigators: Northwest Bomb Plot Planned by al Qaeda in Yemen

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northw...ory?id=9426085

At least this is great news;

Hopefully he also got a few quick punches to the balls as well

Yeah, assholes like this guy and John Walker Lindh piss me off more than the others. With most of these, they're either impoverished loners with no education and prospects for the future who are taken in by radical clerics and then trained to kill or gigantic retards with no prospects for the future like Richard Reid. With Lindh and this guy, they could have had any future they wanted and the future they chose was fucking terrorism. Motherfuck those guys.