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post #101 of 264
Speaking of Harvey:

"As in Helsinki, Sweden."
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"Eat it Harvey!"


This is the only movie I make sure I watch every Christmas Eve.
post #103 of 264
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This is the only movie I make sure I watch every Christmas Eve.
How is that not already someone's avatar?
post #104 of 264
Fixed.
post #105 of 264
How long before we get either a Die Hard re-make or a Die Hard prequel?
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How long before we get either a Die Hard re-make or a Die Hard prequel?
Die Hard has already been remade about 80 times.
post #107 of 264
AMC just did a DieHard/With a Vengance Back to back a couple of nights ago and I still get sucked in.

One of my top favorite action movies of all time, it really sits in an echelone of its own I believe.
post #108 of 264
I remember reading about a prequel comic (probably on here) about McClane's first day on the job or something. Has anyone read that?
post #109 of 264
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I love Rickman humouring Ellis when he he begins his shtick, "wow, you've figured it all out already", so very dry.

Also, "eat it Harvey!"
"I must have missed 60 Minutes..."
post #110 of 264
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I remember reading about a prequel comic (probably on here) about McClane's first day on the job or something. Has anyone read that?
Ratty makes a great point that the 'Die Hard Formula' has been recycled countless times, so a prequel actually makes a lot more sense. I have no idea how you go about making one and who would play a young Bruce Willis?
post #111 of 264
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I remember reading about a prequel comic (probably on here) about McClane's first day on the job or something. Has anyone read that?
Read the first issue. Decent enough, but as is typical for this kind of thing, there's nothing in the story that works any better on the comics page than it would have anywhere else: the art really adds nothing.

McClane's a rookie in New York on the day of the Bicentennial. All around him, a bunch of seemingly unrelated storylines get laid out, and we begin to see how some of them start to interlock. Chaykin's plotting is OK, but the first-person narration he gives McClane just seems too flowery and verbose. I don't recall the name of the artist, but he reminded me of a blander Michael Lark.
post #112 of 264
Watching "Live Free..." on FX right now. It's really not all that bad. I don't get the "Superhero" vibe from McClain so much as I see him as just being really experienced at dealing with shit like this.

Then again we haven't gotten to the plane surfing scene yet...
post #113 of 264
Just recently rewatched the first three Die Hard films (only seen bits and pieces of Live Free) and was about to start a thread praising With a Vengeance. Even with the (somewhat) lackluster ending, I feel like that sequel doesn't get enough praise. We get more of the character, acting in a bigger world, building upon what came before it, and we get one of Sam Jackson's last great performances before he started playing himself. I think Russ' thoughts here really sum up my feelings:http://www.chud.com/articles/article...URN/Page1.html

But the one thing I love about With A Vengeance is that its McClane in New York. In Die Hard and Die Harder we get McClane in an claustrophobic location. With A Vengeance shows him excel in his natural environment.

Plus Jeremy Irons is just flat out awesome. Between this and Dead Ringers that man has earned an infinite amount of love from me.
post #114 of 264
I completely forgot about those retrospectives. Excellent reads.
post #115 of 264
Definitely. Miss Russ' contributions to the site. Does anyone have links to his retrospectives on the other two movies?
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post #117 of 264
I just want to add that I'm kind of pissed it will cost me less to get all four on blu-ray than just the first three. At least on Amazon.
post #118 of 264
Thanks!

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I just want to add that I'm kind of pissed it will cost me less to get all four on blu-ray than just the first three. At least on Amazon.
Ah, the most effective way to manipulate people into accepting a mediocre 4th entry into a series. Low low prices!
post #119 of 264
I didn't mind Live Free or Die Hard. As a die-hard Die-Hard fan, I actually like it more than Die Harder. My order is:

Die Hard
Die Hard with a Vengeance
Live Free or Die Hard
Die Hard 2: Die Harder

I know there is talk of doing another entry in the series. The only way I would be remotely interested is if they take it back to its' roots. I want to see another hard R-rated John McClane movie. I want to see him trapped, desperate and hurting. I thought the first hour of LFoDH was fantastic...especially the apartment shootout. After that...well, you know the rest. I want to see McClane back in a claustrophobic setting one more time. Yeah, it's just more of the same. But it works. I'll take McClane crawling through elevator shafts and picking bad guys off one by one over McClane riding a fighter-jet anyday.

I was just at the Mall of America yesterday and was thinking what a wonderful space that would be for one last McClane hurrah.
post #120 of 264
Not sure if this was linked elsewhere, saw it linked on Facebook.

http://mutantreviewers.wordpress.com...ile/#more-6498

Kind of a great little article. Although I'm not sure it's factually correct about Theo being the only survivor from the terrorists. I'm pretty sure there's some random dude who gets cold clocked by McClane at the end.
post #121 of 264
You'd be right. I'm also positive that Hans does indeed say "motherfucker", albeit it sounds a bit more like "muddafucka". And why do they show the security guard instead of Harvey in the second to last pic? That guy sucks at watching DIE HARD.
post #122 of 264
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Not sure if this was linked elsewhere, saw it linked on Facebook.

http://mutantreviewers.wordpress.com...ile/#more-6498

Kind of a great little article. Although I'm not sure it's factually correct about Theo being the only survivor from the terrorists. I'm pretty sure there's some random dude who gets cold clocked by McClane at the end.
Good article. I agree with loving all of those things, especially the touch screen. Another little thing I love about the first Die Hard is the Huey Lewis lookin' dude who takes over at the front desk. Something about his accent and those cowboy boots that just makes him utterly watchable. Too bad he gets shot in the face.
post #123 of 264
Just bought myself the first three on blu-ray with my birthday money (first time I've gotten checks for my birthday in a decade or so) and plan on my first ever triple feature viewing this weekend.
post #124 of 264
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I know there is talk of doing another entry in the series. The only way I would be remotely interested is if they take it back to its' roots. I want to see another hard R-rated John McClane movie. I want to see him trapped, desperate and hurting. I thought the first hour of LFoDH was fantastic...especially the apartment shootout. After that...well, you know the rest. I want to see McClane back in a claustrophobic setting one more time. Yeah, it's just more of the same. But it works. I'll take McClane crawling through elevator shafts and picking bad guys off one by one over McClane riding a fighter-jet anyday.

I was just at the Mall of America yesterday and was thinking what a wonderful space that would be for one last McClane hurrah.
The fifth Die Hard needs to be set in space. John "Jack" McClane Jr. is an astronaut onboard the international space station when it is beset by North Korean nationalists that secretly launched a space shuttle and docked with the ISS. If their demands for $65 trillion is not met, they will kill all of the astronaut hostages and crash the space station into Washington DC. The twist is that they're really just thieves planning on keeping the money for themselves.

Jack's only contact on Earth is Al Powell Jr. who works ground control in Houston, and has to keep ducking the attempts of FBI special agent Johnson and FBI special agent Johnson to take control of the situation.
post #125 of 264
...then he fights Jason, the Leprichan, and Pin Head.
post #126 of 264
And then, in order to retake command of the station's thrusters, he needs Matthew Farrell and Frederick "Warlock" Kaludis to hack into the station's computer systems.

Fuck yes!!!
post #127 of 264
As long as Justin Long isn't in it, I'm there.
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Good article. I agree with loving all of those things, especially the touch screen.
Fun, but he overlooks Uli's best bit: not that he grabs a Nestle Crunch bar, but that he looks furtively around to be sure no one saw him do it.

Well, that and the fact that the picture they posted above "Harvey Johnson" is actually the security guard who gets shot.
post #129 of 264
It's unprofessional. They're exceptional thieves, not common thieves.
post #130 of 264
Die Hard in Space would end with Mclane being saved by James Bond and Dr Holly Goodhead flying a Moonraker to the rescue.
post #131 of 264
Those Grenades in Die Hard 2 sure take a long time to blow up, don't they?

I like Die Hard 2 but I'll agree LFDH is a better film. More variety and Jackson makes a great Partner.
post #132 of 264
LFDH or DHwV? Or did you mean Justin Long?
post #133 of 264
Screw it, I maintain my pro-Space Die Hard 5 stance.
post #134 of 264
I don't know man, this might get me ostracized but I like LFoDH, for Justin Long and the daughter character. I don't like DH2H, except maybe for Robert Patrick and the incredible throat slit scene.

Not sure where that leaves me...
post #135 of 264
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LFDH or DHwV? Or did you mean Justin Long?
My mistake. DHWV.
post #136 of 264
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Where's that Die Hard/Family Matters video when I want it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5nD1CaQrrA
post #137 of 264
So watched Die Hard last night (it's Christmas!) and I was thinking how the media aspect of the film must have gone over my head back in my youth while waiting for the next scene featuring McClane blowing stuff up, but the film keeps revealing more depth every time you return to it.

Though of course every kid laughed when the reporter got punched in the face, but I'm sure most like me were clueless about the humour of 'Stockholm Syndrome' being mentioned while a dead Ellis is being dragged out of an office.

Also, is it me or is there no Die Hard 3 or a boxset available for blu-ray region B? I think Australia has it, but Europe doesn't? What's up with that?
post #138 of 264
I watched this Christmas Eve and was digging William Atherton (naturally) and came to the conclusion that not only is Argyle the most patient driver around, but also my respect for Alexander Gudonov has really increased.

The scene where he and Hans have McClane cornered (just before Hans says to shoot the glass) and Karl is blasting his machine gun and his face is dead serious, sweaty and the way he's working that gun you can't help but believe this guy is a serious, professional, badass killer.

It made me think how just a few years before he was playing a charmingly comic role in The Money Pit, which he was very believable as a horndog conductor. And not to forget, his first role in Witness where he again exuded a believable character.

For so long I had seen him as a just a dancer who wanted to be in movies, but that was selling him short. That man truly belonged in movies and now I really miss his presence in film.
post #139 of 264
I do love the little moments in Die Hard like Karl fucking with his brother by sawing the pipes while his brother is still working on the wires, the SWAT guy pricking his hand and making a girly noise.

In watching Die Hard recently I noticed that after Gruber has shot Ellis, the camera tracks around Ellis's head, blood running from the wound, it's a pretty ballsy shot, you can even see the hole.
post #140 of 264
Just read the first pages of this thread. Watch that spitballing or we'll end up seeing "Gruber Brothers Begin" next summer.
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Just read the first pages of this thread. Watch that spitballing or we'll end up seeing "Gruber Brothers Begin" next summer.
You say that like it would be a bad thing.
post #142 of 264
I just realized John Doman from The Wire was Die Hard: WAV.
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You say that like it would be a bad thing.
First I thought it was the shittiest idea I've heard in a long time. Then you made me think about it: the story of two brothers who enlist on different terrorist organisations to obtain skills and contacts needed to pull off the biggest robberies in world history. Starring two classically trained Brit actors, perhaps Tom Hardy and Michael Fassbender?

"You're not terrorists, you're just thieves"
"Exceptional thieves, fucker!"

Now that I think of it, it wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
post #144 of 264

Die Hard is a masterpiece of action cinema and one of the best ever made. I also love DH2 but it comes slightly under the first because it does feel like a rehash (Christmas terrorists, saviing the wife) but the movie's only fault is that it has John McClane when it would have a lot more respect if it was a stand alone action film.

 

I don't like Die Hard with a Vengence. It feels like a generic action film compared to the first two and that's probably because the script was originally called "Simon Says" and it kicked around Hollywood for a few years. It was also going to be a Lethal Weapon sequel at one point. This is in direct contrast to the first two movie that were based on books; Nothing Lasts Forever by Roderick Thorp and 58 Minutes by Walter Wager respectively. The one thing going for DHWAV is that it does have McClane running around New York but I would have prefered that they get away from him mowing down terrorists and do something closer to Nighthawks (1981) which is, IMHO, Stallone's best movie.

 

Live Free or Die Hard was fucking trash and felt like a Bond clone. I've watched it ONCE and will never do so again. Getting back to Nighthawks, I really wish that they had just taken the McClane character and had him working as a cop in New York in a few sequels. Look for some good cop thriller novels set in New York and adapt them for the screen.

 

But that was never going to happen and I've always wondered why Bruce Willis never pushed for John Woo to make one of these?!?

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Live Free or Die Hard was fucking trash and felt like a Bond clone. I've watched it ONCE and will never do so again. Getting back to Nighthawks, I really wish that they had just taken the McClane character and had him working as a cop in New York in a few sequels. Look for some good cop thriller novels set in New York and adapt them for the screen.

 

But that was never going to happen and I've always wondered why Bruce Willis never pushed for John Woo to make one of these?!?


Live Free or Die Hard was also based on a spec script that was retrofitted into becoming a Die Hard sequel.  So far, not a single Die Hard movie has started out as a Die Hard movie..................with the upcoming fifth film possibly being the only exception.

 

As for Woo?  Here is my answer:  Paycheck.  Windtalkers.  Mission: Impossible 2.

 

Woo hasn't had the best track record in Hollywood.  Granted, this isn't completely Woo's fault.  Also, I don't think Willis has every really attempted to yay or nay a director for the franchise...........with the possible exception of nixing Fox's idea of hiring Michael Bay for the fourth film.  Hell, they've basically chosen the unknown Noam Murro (who will be helming the 300 prequel first) to direct Die Hard V.

 

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Also, I don't think Willis has every really attempted to yay or nay a director for the franchise...........with the possible exception of nixing Fox's idea of hiring Michael Bay for the fourth film.


I don't know the story... did they clash on Armageddon? Bay's Die Hard 4 would have been so much better. PG-13 or not.

post #147 of 264
Apart from the lacklustre ending I don't understand why sE.ome people don't like VENGEANCE. It's a blast. I prefer it to DIE HARDER, actually.
post #148 of 264
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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken View Post




Live Free or Die Hard was also based on a spec script that was retrofitted into becoming a Die Hard sequel.  So far, not a single Die Hard movie has started out as a Die Hard movie..................with the upcoming fifth film possibly being the only exception.

 

As for Woo?  Here is my answer:  Paycheck.  Windtalkers.  Mission: Impossible 2.

 

Woo hasn't had the best track record in Hollywood.  Granted, this isn't completely Woo's fault.  Also, I don't think Willis has every really attempted to yay or nay a director for the franchise...........with the possible exception of nixing Fox's idea of hiring Michael Bay for the fourth film.  Hell, they've basically chosen the unknown Noam Murro (who will be helming the 300 prequel first) to direct Die Hard V.

 


I understand about M:I-2, Paycheck and Windtalkers but you would have thought that Tarantino would have been whispering in Willis' ear about hiring Woo for a Die Hard flick since QT was one of his biggest supprters in the early 90's. I know I would have. I guess Willis has gotten to the point where he doesn't give a shit. That's a shame because I was hoping for a John Rambo style comeback for John McClane. Remember when Rambo came out and everyone was like "FUCK YOU WILLIS YOU FUCKIN BITCH, SLY SHOVED IT UP YOUR FUCKING CULO YOU CUNT!!!". That's what we need now, a stripped down Die Hard movie that's fucking brutal with none of this PG-13 bullshit.  

 

post #149 of 264
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Apart from the lacklustre ending I don't understand why sE.ome people don't like VENGEANCE. It's a blast. I prefer it to DIE HARDER, actually.


Same here, although it does get more and more ludicrous as it goes along.

 

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I don't know the story... did they clash on Armageddon? Bay's Die Hard 4 would have been so much better. PG-13 or not.


Not sure about the circumstances, but he apparently vowed to never work with Bay again.  Considering what I've read from other actors, Bay doesn't always seem to treat his cast very well.

 



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Apart from the lacklustre ending I don't understand why sE.ome people don't like VENGEANCE. It's a blast. I prefer it to DIE HARDER, actually.


It is definitely my favorite of the sequels.  I don't dislike any of the Die Hard movies really, although I certainly like LFODH the least.  I would love for some returning characters (Bedelia, VelJohnson, some of the cops from Vengeance, etc.) to show up in some form in the 5th & 6th films in some fashion.

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