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post #151 of 165

DIE HARD: The John McClane Machine.  ZERO defects.

 

DIE HARD 2: DIE HARDER: Loses it's way but still some fun moments.

 

DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE: Amazing first hour.  Loses it when they shimmy down the winch.  Weak logic.  How do you NOT take into consideration that the cable will run out? Plus the ridiculous "tie McClane & Zeus up back-to-back, sit them upon the bomb, and explain the whole plan" bit, like they've turned into Adam West & Burt Ward all of a sudden.  Still, McClane is great when he's actually in NYC, Zeus is a great partner, I do like McClane's NYPD buddies, and thought Irons and Sam "Silent But Deadly" Phillips were great fun.

 

LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD: Again: fun first act to first hour, then slows to a groan.  Kevin Smith?  NO.  Star Wars references?  NO.  "I hate heights and planes" McClane with a pilot's license but not working it into the action climax?  NO!  McClane, at the end, just charging into the hangar and shooting with ZERO plan?  NO NO NO.  And we can do better for a villain than this Gabriel, can\t we?  A preening Derek Zoolander with a Laptop?   The Maggie Q fight is all kinds of fun, though, until he smashes the SUV through a dozen walls before plowing her into an elevator shaft...  How does he know the building's layout after being there maybe 10 minutes?  What's that car made of?  The first DIE HARD may have had exploding buildings and helicopters, but the physics made sense in it's movie-reality.  This one?  Oof.

 

Other:

DIE HARD: YEAR ONE was the comic book prequel.  Eight issues, I think it was.  Liked it a lot.  Was hoping it would go much longer.

DIE HARD TRILOGY 2: VIVA LAS VEGAS; ridiculous PC game.  But I loved it at the time.

DIE HARD: NAKATOMI PLAZA:  PC game; lousy voice acting, featured about 200 terrorists instead of twelve.  But running around a 3D representation of that building was TERRIFIC fun for me.

 

I'd love to read the early proposed script for DIE HARD IV that featured McClane and a younger Male Cop or Air Marshall (Affleck was the rumor then) escorting/extraditing a prisoner/South American drug lord back home.  The plane crashes -- there's a jailbreak and escape -- and the Drug Lord and his Henchen hunt McClane and Lead #2 -- who have no supplies, knowledge of the area or weapons aside from one pistol each -- through the jungle.  The idea was to go as low-tech as possible.  Basically PREDATOR but with cops and criminals instead of rescue operatives and an alien.  It was going to be called TEARS OF THE SUN before Willis asked if he could use the title and other specific elements for his Antoine Fuqua "mercenaries in the jungle" film.  There were also rumors of a draft of DH4 being "McClane on a Cruise Ship to the Carribbean with his Daughter" with Britney Spears.  Let's all thank God, fate or whoever kept THAT from happening.

 

I think the YEAR ONE comic mentioned above is the single best non-canon McClane offering to date. 

Ever read NOTHING LASTS FOREVER or 58 MINUTES: the novels the first two DIE HARD films were based on?  Also good stuff. 

As a DIE HARD super-fan I'd love more movies, video games, comic books, novels...  Anything to keep my single, most-favorite action hero coming back.  As long as they're done with respect to the character.  No more jet-surfing, please.

 

On a related note... What do you all think of the DIE HARD lifts/rip-offs/derivatives over the years? 

There have been some good ones (UNDER SIEGE, SPEED, CLIFFHANGER, EXECUTIVE DECISION, HIGH RISK),

some fair ones (PASSENGER 57, AIR FORCE ONE, SUDDEN DEATH),

some goofy or bad ones (TURBULENCE, SPEED 2, UNDER SIEGE 2),

some crazy ones (SKYSCRAPER with Anna Nicole Smith, ICEBREAKER with Bruce Campbell)... 

even Jenna Jameson did DIE HARD on a boat porn (DANGEROUS TIDES).

 

 

post #152 of 165
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Apart from the lacklustre ending I don't understand why sE.ome people don't like VENGEANCE. It's a blast. I prefer it to DIE HARDER, actually.


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post #153 of 165

Die Hard: Year One started out as a TV pilot concept.  It was abandoned, so they turned it into a comic.  Good to know that it turned out well.

 

I really wish the script for LFODH had been given a few more passes.  I love Timothy Olyphant as an actor, but the poor guy was given absolutely nothing to do as the villain.  You can just tell he is bored to death.  Hell, even Bruce never really manages to fully get back into the character of John McClane.................again because I imagine it just wasn't on the page.  Still, it's not the trainwreck most say it is.  I'm glad they seem to be taking their time on Die Hard V.

post #154 of 165

With Len Wiseman behind the camera there was never any hope for LFODH. The guy had zero idea of what a Die Hard movie should be.

post #155 of 165

Miss the old music and John swearing.

post #156 of 165

Guess keeping with tradition, DH5 will have a Gruber planning something.

 

Oh well.

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post #157 of 165
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Guess keeping with tradition, DH5 will have a Gruber planning something.

 

Oh well.

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Unless Grubers only go hand in hand with John McTiernan.  It's a shame he couldn't keep his shit together enough to get hired back again.  It would have been fun to have him back and directing another odd numbered installment.

 

As for Wiseman, count your stars that he's keeping himself busy.  Initial word was that Willis wanted him back for the fifth film.

 

post #158 of 165

Willis should get his hair back first.

post #159 of 165

That was a chief complaint from the last one, so it will be interesting to see if Bruce complies.  Personally, I could care less about the hair.  I just want McClane's PERSONALITY back.............which was fairly lacking in LFODH.  It peeked from time to time, but never really fully came to the surface.

post #160 of 165

OFFICE HOLIDAY PARTY

with Michael Showalter and David Wain

(not safe for work, features scenes of strong sexual comedy)

http://vimeo.com/5327588

 

...and behold the bizarre awesomeness of the Japanese Bruce Willis impersonator, PUCHI BRUCE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIE3dIzypXI


Edited by Engineer - 7/30/11 at 12:40am
post #161 of 165

I'd take the personality over the hair as well. It's just the hair is part of the character. When I see bald, I see more Bruce than John.

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post #162 of 165

The thing about the hair is John McClane never struck me as the kind of guy who could be bothered to shave his head every day. It's just like everything else in that film, it's just a little bit too clean cut to make you believe in it.

post #163 of 165

John McClane.  A New York Street Cop.  In Russia.  From the director of MAX PAYNE.


To quote McClane, himself, from DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE...   

 

"This is a BAD IDEA."

 

post #164 of 165
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The thing about the hair is John McClane never struck me as the kind of guy who could be bothered to shave his head every day. It's just like everything else in that film, it's just a little bit too clean cut to make you believe in it.

 

Agreed.  My favorite "introduction" of McClane in the series is in the third one.  We meet our hero and he hasn't bathed or shaved, he's unbelievably hungover, and just all-around looks like shit.  Classic John!  Also enjoyed the interactions with his co-workers in that one.
 

 

post #165 of 165
So I got a fanwank I gotta squeeze out:

Die Hard 5
McClane is at work in NY, full of work. His hair has regrown back, undergoing previous cancer treatments. Mysterious robbing of banks are going on everywhere in the world. He gets a call from Holly that she is in Russia (doing Nakatomi work) and has had a lapse in a cancer treatment and is at a local hospital there. She begs him to escort a doctor from LA with meds to help her.

McClane leaves with his son. He is in a weird place, being divorced from her, and suddenly getting called out of no where. He gets the doctor to Russia and finds out the vials of experimental medicine are delayed and on another plane that will arrive slightly later. He is angry about this, but sees Holly in the meantime. Its confusing, as he yells a lot, releasing a lot of pent up stuff from the years. Holly admits that finally she has some blame to take on, but dishes it right back, but he is still grouchy about the situation and leaves his son, who really convinced him to come, with her. A theme of fathers doing anything for their sons pretty much is a major theme for the movie.

A group of "terrorists" take the hospital hostage in an effort to get the medicine to help their ailing boss. McClane picks up the meds from the airport and arrives to the situation. He is now desperate to kill each of these guys and get Holly the meds. He of course has a target on his head so the bad guys can get the meds for their boss.

Of course being in Russia doesn't help the fact that is guy is a stubborn, cranky, yankee who just wants to fix things with his wife. Also his son is shot, and needs attention, but terrorists sure like leverage. Oh the doctor to help Holly is shot.

So the big reveal? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The doctor John escorted is believed to be killed, but NOPE! Fake bullets strike again.

So the McClanes believe all is good and they head off to LA for some rest and recoup. John is suddenly detained by the feds due to the events in Russia. Apparently he killed a ringleader in the world wide robberies! This is when we learn: DECEPTION! We as the audience are deceived into thinking the boss of the operation is with them. He really wanted to kill McClane. He was an older man with the last name: GRUBER!

The final scene has John learning who the boss really is, and that the doctor is shown a man in a wheel chair. We learn the ringleader is the wheel chair guy's father. The doctor tells the guy in the wheel chair about John. He mentions that he went back to LA with is family, not knowing where John is. The doctor is handed an address. McClaine residence! He mentions "Yippie Ky Ya...."

The man is the guy behind the organization, finishes the line and is shown to be...








...Hans Gruber.
CUT TO CREDITS

Die Hard 6 will be huge!

Edited by SAIRUS - 9/8/11 at 1:29pm
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