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post #51 of 264
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Originally Posted by Humanoid View Post
I don't have much to add apart from my opinion that the first Die Hard is the best action movie in the history of cinema. If I happen to catch even a moment of it on TV, I invariably end up watching the rest.
It's been playing on Encore every few days for what has seemed like four months already. Fox Movie Channel also plays the shit out of it, too.
post #52 of 264
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A question on DH2: DH -

Can someone please explain to me why, when the tower is told that they will have a minute to communicate with their airplanes before getting shut down, they don't send them all to other airports. Why place them into a holding pattern?

Apart from that little nitpick, I really enjoy the film.
My father would bring this up constantly, to the point he would list all of the airports in the area: Both commercial and military.
post #53 of 264
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
A question on DH2: DH -

Can someone please explain to me why, when the tower is told that they will have a minute to communicate with their airplanes before getting shut down, they don't send them all to other airports. Why place them into a holding pattern?

Apart from that little nitpick, I really enjoy the film.
If I remember correctly, they send all the planes with enough fuel to get to another airport away. The ones that are low on gas they keep in a holding pattern.
post #54 of 264
In defense of LFoDH: Lucy McClane. She takes over for Holly in the damsel-in-distress department, but gets to be a hard ass like her dad. Worth it for the scene when she punches out one of the thugs, and Olyphant says something like "you really are his daughter."

Really glad they didn't make the Justin Long character McClane's son, like I think they originally intended back in the post-Armageddon days when Ben Affleck was rumored for the role.
post #55 of 264
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
A question on DH2: DH -

Can someone please explain to me why, when the tower is told that they will have a minute to communicate with their airplanes before getting shut down, they don't send them all to other airports. Why place them into a holding pattern?
It's been a while since I've seen DH2, but the way I remember is that all of the other airports around were already closed.
post #56 of 264
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It's been a while since I've seen DH2, but the way I remember is that all of the other airports around were already closed.
See even then, it doesn't make much sense. As if there was an emergency there would be some way to reopen a nearby airport. Isn't Baltimore-Washington basically next door in terms of plane distance?
post #57 of 264
I feel the same way about the Die Hard franchise that I do about Indiana Jones: Love the first film beyond measure, but can absolutely take or leave the rest.
post #58 of 264
DH:WAV was on recently and rekindled my hatred for LFODH. Yeah the ending kinda sucks, but the rest of the film has the John McClaine hard as nails. LFODH has Bruce Willis trying to imitate him. I hope the series is done though.

DH 1 though still is the best. I can't seem to find fault with it.
post #59 of 264
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
In defense of LFoDH: Lucy McClane. She takes over for Holly in the damsel-in-distress department, but gets to be a hard ass like her dad. Worth it for the scene when she punches out one of the thugs, and Olyphant says something like "you really are his daughter."
See, this is just one of the problems I have with LFODH, it repeatedly calls upon the cultural memory of the character and the series to plead the case for its existence. It was very, very annoying to see this creep up in the film again and again. It was no longer about suspending disbelief (and seriously so) to accept that a guy could find himself in these absurd situations again and again, it was about a guy who sets his clock by this shit. A superhero.
post #60 of 264
DIE HARD: THEN & NOW - Eddie (Dennis Hayden)

1988 - Professional thief/terrorist


2009 - Cool teacher that smokes pot with students


"I hadda feelin' you'd be tokin'..."
post #61 of 264
Now he could pass for Karl.
post #62 of 264
Walter Cobb (Larry Bryggman)

1995


2008 (most recent picture I could find)
post #63 of 264
This movie never gets old. It's a better Christmas movie than Gremlins, even.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbz2NSFpgGc
post #64 of 264
How much do you guys like the alt. ending of WOV? The one with the rocketlauncher roulette.
post #65 of 264
It's better than the randomly exploding helicopter, as it's a little more in keeping with the rest of the film (the idea of playing games). But it does make McClean out to be a little cold-blooded. I mean, it makes sense for him to turn the tables on Simon, but killing him with a rocket launcher seems a bit much.

Also not sure what good a flak jacket would do against a rocket launcher at that range.
post #66 of 264
My main problem with the original ending is that John is in total control of the situation. The odds should always be stacked against McClane.

Also, he thinks a flak jacket will save him from a point blank rocket launcher blast to the chest.
post #67 of 264
It would have worked better if he had outwitted Simon at a game Simon started.
post #68 of 264
McClane could barely keep up with Simon's riddles. He'd be a dead man.

"Okay a... sack with....sevensacks...."
post #69 of 264
McClane's only chance would be to throw Simon off his game by suddenly freaking out.

Uhhhhyehyeh seven guys with seven wivesTHERE'S A BOMB IN THE TRASH CAN!!!!!!
post #70 of 264
And while Simon is reeling from the shock, Charlie the bomb guy will playfully trip him and Fat Indian Cop will pin him to the floor with his 300 pounds of proud native american girth!
post #71 of 264
Die Hard Actors... Then and Now...
Part 3: ALEXANDER GODUNOV

1988:



2010:

post #72 of 264
LOL!!! I knew that was coming before the picture loaded when I saw the "2010"! Shame on you you son of a bitch! How can one with such a cold heart as yours track down the murderer of lil JonBenet??

Charlie the Bomb Guy - Kevin Chamberlain

I tried to find a recent picture at his site, kevinchamberlain.com but was informed that it could be a harmful site to my computer and didn't visit it. Very professional, KEV! The only thing I've seen him in since was a nicotine patch commercial.
post #73 of 264
GODSPEED GODUNOV.
It looks like he's been resting comfortably.
post #74 of 264
Part 4:

Matthias Targo

1995:



2010:

post #75 of 264
Kev has aged very gracefully.

post #76 of 264
How he probably is wearing that chair up his ass!
Along with about 5 dildos.
post #77 of 264
for a price you can lather him up with
PANCAKE SYRUP!!!!!!!!
post #78 of 264
Colleen Camp (Connie)

1995


2009


Gods what a monster!! She could have smuggled both of Zeus' nephews out of Chester A. Arthur elementary school in her giant body!
post #79 of 264
If only a time traveling Dr Frankenstein could put her 2009 hair on her 95 body!

Or have someone recommend her to get a new haircut back in 95 I guess.
post #80 of 264
Bruce Willis (John McClane)

1988:



2009:

post #81 of 264
Cybil in remarkably good shape!
post #82 of 264
What a fall from grace.
She was once a hot maid/Christopher Lloyd temptress.

post #83 of 264
Someone let her out of the whale tank with George and Gracie!!hehe
post #84 of 264
Die Hard:
It's a classic, no disputing that, I really wish more action films were set at christmas. I like that McTiernan wasn't in a hurry to get to the next set piece, the action scenes feel organic, you can see McClane clearly struggling to take these guys down. "Shit lady, you think I'm orderin' a pizza?"

Die Hard 2:
I have a soft spot for this, maybe it's for nostalgic reasons, it's a blatant rehash of the first film, Renny Harlin has nowhere else to go but to up the adrenaline factor. I like that McClane get's the holy hell kicked out of him in this film, again, he really struggles to defeat the villains, I really like it that he's out of his depth and just prevails through sheer will and inventiveness.

Die Hard with a Vengeance:
I like that they took a different approach, McClane is the cop we'd heard about taken to it's limits, his marriage is over and he's on suspension. It's a cliche but we buy it because he's John fuckin McClane. The film is pretty much a buddy comedy. Jackson and Willis's chemistry singlehandedly elevate this film and McTiernan's direction is just so assured.

Live Free or Die Hard:
As an action film it's not bad but as a fourth installment of the series it just doesn't work, the villain is weak and just really not a threat to McClane at all, say what you want about Sadler and Amos in DH2, at least they felt threatening and looked like they were having fun with their characters. There was a vague realism to the other films but that was sadly missing here, Maggie Q surviving a head on collision from an SUV? Sorry, I don't buy that for a secong.
post #85 of 264
Thread Starter 
RE: LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD

The first three gave us McClane, a hero that is vulnerable and with the odds stacked up against; he's going to figure a way to win with us rooting all the way. In the fourth installment, somehow he became invincible and the sense of danger was gone. The plot is reminiscent of UNDER SIEGE 2, where a former government employee is out for payback.

BTW: Kate Beckinsale @ the premiere...
post #86 of 264
Anyone who listens to Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN Radio a few weeks ago may have caught a pretty funny discussion about whether or not Die Hard 1 is a Christmas movie. Greeny was adament that it absolutely is a Christmas movie. I disagree, but who knows.

Anywho, I often wonder how this franchise would have been different with another actor in the McClane role, or even if it would have made it to a 4th film.
post #87 of 264
I wouldn't say it's completely a christmas movie, that just happens to be the setting.

Also, "Y'know, I kinda figured you for an asshole" "I am an asshole, I'm just your kind of asshole", It's dialogue like that makes me forget I'm watching a film by Renny Harlin.
post #88 of 264
The only place that Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie is the Hallmark channel.
post #89 of 264
Somebody emailing Mike and Mike the morning they had this conversation pointed out that Die Hard is ultimately about the importance of family (Holly) and friends (Powell), and has greed being defeated; therefore, the essence of a Christmas movie. Just with explosions.
post #90 of 264
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How much do you guys like the alt. ending of WOV? The one with the rocketlauncher roulette.
I hate it. The comeuppance Simon gets in the final version of the ending is not a bad comeuppance. It's just badly staged. But having McClaine just walk into a restaurant and murder him in cold blood is wrong.

Those Then & Now pictures are hilarious. I'm particularly disappointed in Colleen Camp. The years have definitely not been kind and I wacked off to her in Clue. So much for that.

I don't even want to think about how badly Bonnie Bedelia has aged.
post #91 of 264
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Originally Posted by Erix View Post
I don't even want to think about how badly Bonnie Bedelia has aged.
Not too shabby for 61:
post #92 of 264
You're right. Bedelia has aged quite gracefully into a GILF almost in the Helen Mirren sense.

Though If you had shown me that picture I would not have been able to name who it was to save my life.
post #93 of 264
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
It's better than the randomly exploding helicopter, as it's a little more in keeping with the rest of the film (the idea of playing games). But it does make McClean out to be a little cold-blooded. I mean, it makes sense for him to turn the tables on Simon, but killing him with a rocket launcher seems a bit much.

Also not sure what good a flak jacket would do against a rocket launcher at that range.
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Originally Posted by wadew1 View Post
My main problem with the original ending is that John is in total control of the situation. The odds should always be stacked against McClane.

Also, he thinks a flak jacket will save him from a point blank rocket launcher blast to the chest.
The original ending eats the "Let's go to Canada and fuck Simon up in the silliest way possible!" reshoot for breakfast. It really haunts the fuck out of an otherwise awesome sequel, but the original ending really maintained the spirit of the movie as it had progressed.

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The only place that Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie is the Hallmark channel.
DAMN STRAIGHT!

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber's EYE CONDITION! View Post
Someone let her out of the whale tank with George and Gracie!!hehe
LOLZ! Hans made a Star Trek IV reference. Priceless.
post #94 of 264
The first is a classic. DHWAV is excellent. DH2 is a solid sequel. LFODH is decent. Let's just hope that when a fifth one happens (and it probably will) that they bring McTiernan back again so he can keep directing the odd numbered installments of the franchise.
post #95 of 264
Is he out of prison yet?
post #96 of 264
I don't think he ever actually went to prison.
COME BACK MCT!
It can't end with ROLLERBALL and BASIC.
post #97 of 264
Dear god, I hope he doesn't come back as McT. That said, I really do hope he comes back more than I want Nolan back for a third Batman film.

Now that I think about it, McT ended up directing a bunch of my favorite films (Predator, Die Hard, Hunt for Red October, Die Hard WAV, Thomas Crown).
post #98 of 264
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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber's EYE CONDITION! View Post
Colleen Camp (Connie)

1995


2009


Gods what a monster!! She could have smuggled both of Zeus' nephews out of Chester A. Arthur elementary school in her giant body!
"Gods, what a monster!"...

Awesome! As of now, we need one movie quote a day from Sir Patrick Stewart.
post #99 of 264
Where's that Die Hard/Family Matters video when I want it?
post #100 of 264
I love Rickman humouring Ellis when he he begins his shtick, "wow, you've figured it all out already", so very dry.

Also, "eat it Harvey!"
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