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post #1 of 43
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I went through about 20 potential titles for this, but ultimately decided on two that aren't necessarily obscure, but are probably new to at least some of you.


Patty Griffin - Impossible Dream

It was tough to pick an album of Griffin's that would both represent her work adequately and go over with a crowd with diverse tastes. This difficulty probably has as much to do with the albums' individual weaknesses as their strengths, but Griffin so frequently captures lightning in a bottle that she deserves more exposure outside of the NPR and commercial country audiences that have embraced her songs (either performed by her or by artists with more commercial clout, like the Dixie Chicks and Miranda Lambert). In fact, she occupies a strange place in that she's probably best known for her songwriting, yet has a powerful, soulful voice that's at least as strong as the voices of those who have given her songs greater exposure.

I don't think Griffin has yet recorded her definitive album; as an artist who's constantly tweaking her style, there's a sort of unfinished air to most of her recent work, yet the scope of her sound as it stands now can make her early albums (which are probably more tonally consistent) come off like the work of an artist-in-progress. Still, if there's not a single classic one among them, there's not a bad one among them, either.

Anyway, I chose Impossible Dream (2004) for a few reasons:
  • Griffin's a terrific storyteller and, like late 70s/early 80s Springsteen (whom she's covered), she manages to get her characters across using spare, minimal language. "Mother of God," "Top of the World," and "Florida" are prime examples.
  • If you're more into music than lyrics, this may be her most impressive album from a technical standpoint - especially vocally. The gospel-inflected tunes on here are, to be honest, not the best songs she's ever written, but she makes them work through sheer soulfulness. This also continues her move away from acoustic guitar-oriented pop (although this style still makes some notable appearances, such as on "Useless Desires") toward more piano and atmospherics.
  • I have the fewest reservations about recommending this one to neophytes. Her debut, Living With Ghosts, is an all-acoustic affair that might not appeal to the more technically-inclined, Flaming Red is chock full of great songs (including some lively, convincing rockers - she seems to have largely phased this style out, which is a shame) but dated by overproduction, 1000 Kisses includes a couple of her greatest story-songs but ultimately seems too slight, and Children Running Through is a bit like Impossible Dream, but doesn't quite have the same highs. The likeliest choice might have been her "lost" album, Silver Bell, which includes some of the best songs that ultimately ended up on 1000 Kisses and Impossible Dream and a couple of her best forays into outright rock... but it was never officially released. Because her label was dumb.


The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
I know some of you have heard this one before (there's even an old thread on it), but I suspect some of you haven't, and everyone should. I also imagine this album will be more of a slam-dunk than Impossible Dream for most, but you never know...

Indie rock has its great musical experimenters and its great storytellers, but technical achievement and innovation are seldom fused with a keen sense of empathy and wit as effectively as on Emergency & I (1999). The Dismemberment Plan screws around with angular white-boy funk, dance-defying time signature experiments and tempos, and Brainiac-inspired skronk-punk, but maintains an approachable pop sensibility throughout. On top of this stew, Travis Morrison hits on nostalgia, memory, friendship, depression, and separation using a staggering array of metaphors and narrative frameworks (a nuclear emergency, a memory machine, and a Twilight Zone-esque story about an invitation all play their parts).

IMO, the peak comes a little over halfway through with the three-song attack of "You Are Invited," "Gyroscope," and "The City," but the whole thing is just amazingly strong and, thanks to some understated production by J. Robbins (Jawbox, Burning Airlines) and Chad Clark that reliably captures the band's live sound, it sounds as new today as it did 10 years ago.
post #2 of 43
I'm not familiar with either of these picks, Dave. I'll get right on 'em.
post #3 of 43
Wow. I known Emergency and I! Great pick!

Off to Impossible Dream then!
post #4 of 43
Glad to see the album of the month is still alive. Never heard of either of these, but they sound interesting and I'm looking forward to listening.
post #5 of 43
I'm listening to 'Emergency & I' right now and enjoying it a lot. It's most immediately reminding me of Pere Ubu, Six Finger Satellite, Shellac and the Treepeople (my favorite Seattle band that didn't make it) and I can definitely hear the influence of Jawbox and 'Red Medicine' era Fugazi. Very cool nerd rock that'll take a while to digest. I've yet to get to the Patty Griffin album, that sounds a little further from my usual comfort zone.
post #6 of 43
I'm on my third run through of the Patty Griffin album, and I must admit that I'm really kinda digging it. It's totally out of normal listening pool, but her voice is really grabbing me and carrying me along for the ride. This is a nice, surprising pick for me...I normally hate country/folk music.

Huh.

I'll work on the other one this afternoon or tomorrow, Dave.

Also, I can't believe that you didn't pick Shudder to Think's 'Pony Express Record' for one of the albums.
post #7 of 43
Just getting started on these (though I've heard Griffin before), but Dismemberment Plan is certainly the first band I've encountered to borrow licks from both Wire and America. I have the feeling this will be an interesting listening experience.
post #8 of 43
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
Also, I can't believe that you didn't pick Shudder to Think's 'Pony Express Record' for one of the albums.
Too predictable coming from me, but I highly urge everyone to listen to that one. Consider it the extra credit assignment.
post #9 of 43
The Plan's cd is full of greatness but You Are Invited might have my favorite lyrics of any song they've put out.
post #10 of 43
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Just getting started on these (though I've heard Griffin before), but Dismemberment Plan is certainly the first band I've encountered to borrow licks from both Wire and America. I have the feeling this will be an interesting listening experience.
Never caught those. Which Wire and America songs?
post #11 of 43
I'm expected to remember the NAME of a song by friggin' AMERICA?

Yeesh. I'll make a note on my next listen through the album. But it was one of the first couple of tracks.
post #12 of 43
Have the Griffin, thought I had the Dismemberment Plan. I'm a sucker for female singer-songwriter stuff (easily my favorite sub-genre ever), and love her contemporaries/influences. Just a shame that I haven't had the opportunity to get into her, despite having at least four of her albums. Looking forward to sharing them with you dudes.
post #13 of 43
Unfortunately, LALA is only available in the US so I can't download the tracks, I've tried other avenues, so far, no luck, ITunes here I come. I'll be back with thoughts later on.
post #14 of 43
Listened to Emergency & I. I like it, but not as much as I hoped. The jagged, punky edges all over the tunes kinda play a tug-of-war with the more poppy, professional-sounding aspects. While that makes for an intriguing, fresh listen in the beginning, the feeling of satisfaction isn't fully reached. It's tunes like 'What Do You Want Me to Say?' (which features a soaring vocal from Travis Morrison), the quiet ambience of 'The Jitters', 'I Love a Magician' (whose main riff is so deliciously delirious and manic to the point of adrenaline combustion), 'Gyroscope' (drummer Joe Easley OWNS this tune, and his drumming is pretty amazing, but still distinct, on the entire album), and 'Back and Forth', which sees the band dancing around their expert quirkiness in the best way possible, while not sacrificing the celebratory hookiness and melodicism they're capable of.

It's just a matter of my tastes being programmed to respond more to poppy, earnest, and dramatic pieces nowadays. This band's aesthetic nature just doesn't do it for me. I probably could listen to any At The Drive-In album right now and still get a huge boner, in the same way Vampire Weekend's latest pop endeavor is owning me like few albums have in a long while.
post #15 of 43
Patty Griffin-Impossible Dream
I've heard the name but never really listened to her stuff until now, I'd previously heard her cover of 'Stolen Car' but that's it. Springsteen aside, the pther major influence on Patty seems to be Emmylou Harris, it can be heard most clearly on 'Cold as it get's',the track 'Useless Desire's' is definitely her best performance, there's so much passion in her voice, especially during the chorus, what a beautiful song. The piano driven songs like 'Kite Song' and 'Mother of God' have a certain intimacy, I wouldn't be surprised if either of those showed up in a montage for a season finale somewhere. I'm always looking for female artists and it looks like I've found a great one, so thank you Dave.

The Dismemberment Plan-Emergency and I
i honestly didn't dig this so much, the band sound very capable as musicians especially the drummer but none of it sounded very memorable, it reminded me of Mars Volta without the guitar histrionics or pop hooks.

If you like Patty Griffin Dave, you may want to listen to Kasey Chambers, a female singer/songwriter, I wasn't a fan of hers before but I've slowly come around.
post #16 of 43
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Patty Griffin-Impossible Dream
I've heard the name but never really listened to her stuff until now, I'd previously heard her cover of 'Stolen Car' but that's it. Springsteen aside, the pther major influence on Patty seems to be Emmylou Harris, it can be heard most clearly on 'Cold as it get's',the track 'Useless Desire's' is definitely her best performance, there's so much passion in her voice, especially during the chorus, what a beautiful song. The piano driven songs like 'Kite Song' and 'Mother of God' have a certain intimacy, I wouldn't be surprised if either of those showed up in a montage for a season finale somewhere. I'm always looking for female artists and it looks like I've found a great one, so thank you Dave.
Harris and Griffin are huge mutual fans, actually. Harris has covered her songs and guests on Children Running Through. She's been hyping Griffin in interviews for years, and they apparently toured together a few years ago.

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If you like Patty Griffin Dave, you may want to listen to Kasey Chambers, a female singer/songwriter, I wasn't a fan of hers before but I've slowly come around.
Some friends of mine are big fans, but I haven't listened to her. I'll have to give her a try.
post #17 of 43
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Listened to Emergency & I. I like it, but not as much as I hoped. The jagged, punky edges all over the tunes kinda play a tug-of-war with the more poppy, professional-sounding aspects. While that makes for an intriguing, fresh listen in the beginning, the feeling of satisfaction isn't fully reached. It's tunes like 'What Do You Want Me to Say?' (which features a soaring vocal from Travis Morrison), the quiet ambience of 'The Jitters', 'I Love a Magician' (whose main riff is so deliciously delirious and manic to the point of adrenaline combustion), 'Gyroscope' (drummer Joe Easley OWNS this tune, and his drumming is pretty amazing, but still distinct, on the entire album), and 'Back and Forth', which sees the band dancing around their expert quirkiness in the best way possible, while not sacrificing the celebratory hookiness and melodicism they're capable of.

It's just a matter of my tastes being programmed to respond more to poppy, earnest, and dramatic pieces nowadays. This band's aesthetic nature just doesn't do it for me. I probably could listen to any At The Drive-In album right now and still get a huge boner, in the same way Vampire Weekend's latest pop endeavor is owning me like few albums have in a long while.
You might like Dismemberment Plan's follow-up and final album, Change, which is a lot heavier on the aspects of the band that you seem more taken with. The songs are more earnest and less jagged, and Morrison out-and-out sings a little more, which leads to a greater emphasis on melody. A few songs even betray a slight old-school R&B sensibility (check out the bassline on "Superpowers").
post #18 of 43
OK, I've given The Dismemberment Plan a few spins. It's not bad, but I'm finding that I really don't care for the vocals at all. The tunes themselves are pretty listenable, and I can see myself revisiting this album whenever I'm in the mood for something like this.

I much prefer the Patty Griffin album, though. That one has really grown on me over the past few days.
post #19 of 43
Weird, I just noticed that 'A Life Of Possibilities' is basically 'Marquee Moon'. This is a really impressive album.
post #20 of 43
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Weird, I just noticed that 'A Life Of Possibilities' is basically 'Marquee Moon'. This is a really impressive album.
Weirder still that I've been listening to this album for a decade and never noticed that before. Good catch.
post #21 of 43
I'm listening to 'Impossible Dream' right now. It's way outside my usual wheelhouse but I am enjoying it. Not quite 'Court and Spark', but it beats Sarah McLachlan. Dave, are you familiar with Sarah Harmer? I think you'd enjoy her.
post #22 of 43
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
You might like Dismemberment Plan's follow-up and final album, Change, which is a lot heavier on the aspects of the band that you seem more taken with. The songs are more earnest and less jagged, and Morrison out-and-out sings a little more, which leads to a greater emphasis on melody. A few songs even betray a slight old-school R&B sensibility (check out the bassline on "Superpowers").
Listened to 'Superpowers', 'Sentimental Man', 'The Face of the Earth', 'Pay for the Piano' (could be my fave), 'Come Home', and 'Secret Curse'. Dig 'em all. The restraint in bombast is definitely appreciated, and the melodies are lush and inspiring. There's a driving passion in these tunes which exude a natural instinct for colorful composition.

Thanks for the recommendation.
post #23 of 43
Still loving that Patty Griffin album, Dave. Thanks again for that pick, as that is definitely something that I never would have found on my own. For me, that pick alone validates this entire 'album of the month' endeavor.
post #24 of 43
And thanks to Judas for getting this whole thing started. I've got a lot of catching up to do still, but this has been so much fun.
post #25 of 43
Slowly catching up. Patty Griffin, at my 1st listen, is great.
post #26 of 43
Yeah, the Patty Griffin album is really working for me. Really enjoy listening to it, especially at night or after work. She's got quite the voice and I'm surprised I haven't been exposed to her much before. Good pick!

I'm familiar with the Emergency & I, but I need to revist it before I add my thoughts.
post #27 of 43
I got my copy of Impossible Dream today. After an initial play, I like it. The comparison to Emmylou Harris is spot on, esp. her 90's work.

<Curious, Dave, or any of you guys, if you have listened to Harris' 70's run. Still the gold standard for female singer/song-writers, country or otherwise in my opinion>

"Love Throw a Line", "Mother of God" and "Florida" are the stand-ou tracks that jump out so far. Sucker for the tracks with violin bombast.
post #28 of 43
The Dimemberment Plan is one of those bands that, in theory, I should love, but in practice leaves me cold. I'll give "Emergency" *another* shot (and give Griffin a first shot) before I comment further.
post #29 of 43
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Originally Posted by whiskey tango foxtrot View Post
Dave, are you familiar with Sarah Harmer? I think you'd enjoy her.
I've heard a song or two, I think, but that's all. Any particular albums I should hear?

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<Curious, Dave, or any of you guys, if you have listened to Harris' 70's run. Still the gold standard for female singer/song-writers, country or otherwise in my opinion>
I'm mostly familiar with Harris as an interpreter (and duet partner with Gram Parsons, of course) rather than as a songwriter. The only 70s album I have by her is Elite Hotel, which is great, but all covers. And the same goes for the more recent stuff I know. The album of hers I've probably listened to the most is The Western Wall (with Linda Ronstadt), which is almost all covers - including a Patty Griffin song, in fact. It's fantastic, though - I considered it as a pick.
post #30 of 43
I tried listening to the dismemberment plan's other albums, it feels like the bass player and drummer are playing in a completely different band to the singer and guitarist, for whatever reason it just doesn't work for me.

I'm loving Patty Griffin more and more though, Useless Desires is getting more and more play to the point of obsession.

I've only listened to 'Pieces of the Sky' by Emmylou Harris which is a wonderful mix of covers and originals.
post #31 of 43
I always liked the various songs I had heard over the years but never listened to a whole album before. I'm digging Emergency and I so thanks for getting me to finally actually listen to them Dave.

I like the Patty Griffin album not exactly my type of thing but she has a beautiful voice. I still need to listen to it more.
post #32 of 43
I hate coming in so late, as I can't do much but echo. But, been a busy time lately.

I found Dismemberment Plan to be clever, challenging, impeccably executed, and a fun listening experience, if not precisely up my street. They reminded me a bit of a latter-day XTC, though I don't find Morrison's singing as inviting or accessible as Andy Partridge's (though both have a nice line in hearts on the sleeves to go with the yelping), or maybe a Gang of Four with more than one idea in their collective head. I quite like the moodiness of "The Jitters," and "The City" hooks pretty nicely. That said, Morrison's vocals are probably why I won't revisit it as often as I do, say, Drums and Wires.

I've always liked Patty Griffin as a songwriter, and this is probably my favorite of hers (though Flaming Red does have its weird charm). As a singer, she's in the Emmylou category for me: a simply gorgeous voice that I wish had just a touch more character to it: a bit more grit or sass or loopiness or something. But for the whole package, I'll take her over Lucinda Williams.
post #33 of 43
Dismemberment Plan: I remember what I didn't like about these guys. Too much Rush, not enough Talking Heads. It's just a little bit too prog-y for me.

I do still like "Spider in the Snow" (saw my comment in the old thread), "You Are Invited" and "Girl O'Clock" though. I just can't take "The Plan" at album length.

Patti Griffin: I need another listen*, but I can tell it's not really my thing either. I'm just not much of a fan of gospel, blues, or americana, and those influences are all over this album. She executes it well, and with taste, but I can't help agreeing with Jeb about her voice: If, say, Tom Waits or John Prine were singing these songs, I think I'd like them a lot more. It's solid, just not something I can see myself revisiting much.

*probably more like 5 or 6 listens. Remember my "relative importance of lyrics" thread? Yeah, it takes me a while to process and remember lyrics, which makes getting into singer/songwriter types a little harder for me, and seems to be a large part of the appeal for someone like Griffin.
post #34 of 43
I dug the Patty Griffin disc. Like Rath, I'm a sucker for female singer-songwriters, and female singers generally. The warmth and lived-in feeling that her voice brings is a big reason why. I've never listened to any of her albums, but I expected more twang to her delivery. Luckily, I got something equally soulful and with an amazing range. 'Useless Desires' might be my fave, but the sadness and hopefulness that Griffin equally projects on 'Mother of God' is extraordinarily real. 'Top of the World' left me with goosebumps. The more poppy affectations of 'Rowing Song' proves she can transcend her folk-rock roots with the same crossover appeal as a Dixie Chicks. Griffin puts her emotions out there for all of us to observe, and there's no sense of fear or regret in the way she does it.

Great pick, Dave.
post #35 of 43
My only slight complaint with the Griffin album is it doesn't feel country enough. A little slick on the production. I would have liked a little steel guitar and for the violins to be accented a notch.

I want to hear the twang.

With an Artist like this, I want to feel down home or like i'm at a Honky Tonk, not sitting in a coffee-house. I want an emotional punch, not crossover pop. I thought the live versions of the songs I found on You-tube did a better job of bringing out the soulfulness and passion.

All that said, I like the album, and am hoping it continues to grow on me. I've already ordered her debut out of curiosity.

<maybe it's unfair that I'm holding Griffin up against Harris, Ronstadt, and Parton, rather than her bland disposable contemporaries like the Dixie Chicks, etc.>
post #36 of 43
See, I'm not all that into the twang. Not much of country genre fan, which is why I was pleasantly surprised by this album. Yeah, I like pop music, but I think Griffin balances the rustic nature of her sound with the more polished, poppy elements really well. And the emotion still hit me hard.
post #37 of 43
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My only slight complaint with the Griffin album is it doesn't feel country enough. A little slick on the production. I would have liked a little steel guitar and the violins accented a notch.

I want to hear the twang.

With an Artist like this, I want to feel down home or like i'm at a Honky Tonk, not sitting in a coffee-house. I want an emotional punch, not crossover pop. I thought the live versions of the songs I found on You-tube did a better job of bringing out the soulfulness and passion.

All that said, I like the album, and am hoping it continues to grow on me. I've already ordered her debut out of curiosity.

<maybe it's unfair that I'm holding Griffin up against Harris, Ronstadt, and Parton, rather than her bland disposable contemporaries like the Dixie Chicks, etc.>
One thing to keep in mind about Griffin is that she comes by her country-ness from a distance (unlike Parton and Harris, but like Ronstadt). She's a New Englander by birth, not a southerner, and I suspect she's got more Springsteen and Dylan in her musical DNA than Hank Williams or even Gram Parsons.

If you go through her albums, you'll probably find that she could just as easily have ended up writing pop hits for Kelly Clarkson (who apparently covered Griffin on American Idol) as the Dixie Chicks and Harris. She's settled into a country/gospel kind of sound, but I think she's got as much in common with pop singer-songwriters of geographically indeterminate origins (for instance, I remember her touring with Freedy Johnston and Shawn Colvin in the 90s, and that lineup - especially Johnston and Griffin - made a lot of sense at the time). You can really hear this side of her on Flaming Red.

That said, her debut's a lot more raw - but in a Nebraska way, not a Sweetheart of the Rodeo way.
post #38 of 43
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If you go through her albums, you'll probably find that she could just as easily have ended up writing pop hits for Kelly Clarkson (who apparently covered Griffin on American Idol) as the Dixie Chicks and Harris. She's settled into a country/gospel kind of sound, but I think she's got as much in common with pop singer-songwriters of geographically indeterminate origins (for instance, I remember her touring with Freedy Johnston and Shawn Colvin in the 90s, and that lineup - especially Johnston and Griffin - made a lot of sense at the time). You can really hear this side of her on Flaming Red.
I can hear glimpses of the more contemporary alternative '90s pop on this album. Luckily not in the Sheryl Crow kinda way.

I'll have to add Flaming Red to my playlist. After hearing Impossible Dream, I'd be shocked if I don't like it in some capacity.
post #39 of 43
I'm not in the Club, but let me throw my two cents in on Griffin - if you want her grittier and twangier, I'd like to second Dave's suggestion and point you toward Living with Ghosts. It's my favorite Griffin album, though the title track on Flaming Red is just made for some serious en-route-to-work strutting.
post #40 of 43
How's the new Patty Griffin?
post #41 of 43
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How's the new Patty Griffin?
Haven't heard yet, but probably will by next week. My understanding is that it emphasizes her gospel side, which isn't really my favorite aspect of her work, but I'm sure it'll be good, at least.
post #42 of 43
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How's the new Patty Griffin?
It's a lovely showcase for her voice, particularly since (like Emmylou) her voice works so well alongside others (and, in fact, she and Emmylou are positively angelic together on "Little Fire"). And it's as often lively as it is devotional.

I have to say that I probably know a dozen or so versions of "If I Had My Way" (aka "Samson and Delilah") that have substantially more intensity than this one, but "Wade in the Water" is nicely funky, "Move Up" is catchily reminiscent of Elvis' "Run On", and "I Smell A Rat" has some of the sass that she brings far too infrequently for my taste on her other albums. There's lots of great vocal combinations; I particularly like her and Raul Malo on "Virgen De Guadalupe".

I don't mean to damn with faint praise when I say it's my favorite album of 2010 so far. But it is.
post #43 of 43
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I'm not in the Club, but let me throw my two cents in on Griffin - if you want her grittier and twangier, I'd like to second Dave's suggestion and point you toward Living with Ghosts. It's my favorite Griffin album, though the title track on Flaming Red is just made for some serious en-route-to-work strutting.
Thx for the heads up.
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