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post #1 of 34
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I make no apologies that I grew up on the heroes in a half shell, and were in fact the first thing I learned to draw well. That said I'm a huge biased fan of the first film. Its probably one of the first comic book films at the time that took the source material and gave it some respect. It wasn't dark and gritty per say but it did make an attempt to try treat the material with some respect.

Sadly the Turtles may be more known for the 80s cartoon where they battled Shredder and Krang ALL THE TIME. The problem here is that to most people outside of the comics, they only know associate the villain of the franchise with Shredder, which ended up hurting the live action franchise when it came to its sequel.

As a kid, I had no problems at the time, because only with age you can only learn to appreciate studio politics and over protective parents. The Secret of the Ooze seems like a valid attempt at recreating the cartoon experience. I really never understood the title of the movie other than being what transformed the Turtles into what they are now. Of course its mentioned in the first film to April, so I kinda found it redundant. Then I started to read the comics.

While I'm not a fan of later storylines, the story behind the ooze gets a little clear with its ties to the uptroms. Exploring IMDB and wikipedia (yeah not the most credible of sources), the sequel was supposed to follow the more mature vein of the first movie. Thanks to parents and the almighty dollar, we got a weaponless plot hole of a sequel. Now a supposed cliffhanger for the sequel was to reveal Professor Jordon Perry as a shell for an uptrom! It would of gave a lot more credit to the title of the sequel and would of opened up the world for the very harshly maligned part III.

Part III is an interesting failure since I liked most of the Turtle's stories that was as much set in reality and had them deal with their issues as being teenage outcasts (which is a reason I like the first film). The whole aspects of them traveling to the Battle Nexus and time hopping really didn't appeal to me as much as the possible character ideas that the franchise started with. Like that they tried to attempt to bring back the weapon use, but the suits were terrible and really pulled you out even more of the attempt to recognize with the characters.

Now with Nickelodeon having full rights to the franchise, and the rumors of a new live action movie (with some CG assistance), where does the 4 Turtles go from here? There was some modest success at the new cartoon bringing them back to their roots, which lead to a new CG movie, but the show eventually ran out of material to pull from and started to say into borderline uber fantasy. I hope the new suits at Nick treat the material with respect, and try to place the character traits first. The first movie was pretty good at respecting all the source materials at the time, and as much as I like April as a smart scientist, I think the reporter vision of her seems to work better. That Shredder was a legitimate threat, and could kick all the Turtle's asses. Still there are other villains out there, and the Rat King, Baxter Stockman, the Purple Dragons, and Leatherhead were all missed opportunities.

Wow that was long. Guess I'll go grab some pizza.
post #2 of 34
The first film is a helluva lot better than it has any right to be - in that I watched it recently and was shocked to find myself thoroughly enjoying it (and it's got a young Sam Rockwell in it for 5 minutes!)

The sequels tho,christ.

They give me tourettes - because they're ARSE.

ARSE!

PISS OUT MY ARSE!
post #3 of 34
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Apparently they cut quite a bit from the first film as well to get the PG rating. There was a scene where Ralph makes a new sai after getting his butt kicked, and Shredder disciplined Sam Rockwell for not silencing April (right before the foot soldier gets his red bandana, you can see Sammy in the back holding his arm because Shredder cut him). It puts a whole new spin on when he talks to the kids because they're a lot more terrified of him. It also puts a small character arc on him since he ends up telling the cops at the end where to find the warehouse.
post #4 of 34
It was already relatively dark for a PG kids film as it was - it's certainly the closest any other media has gotten to the original Eastman-Laird comics.
post #5 of 34
Yeah, the hard PG-13 cut of this film is sitting in a vault somewhere, and it annoys the piss out of me it didn't see the light of day in that Blu Ray box set. All I've heard about it suggests it could elevate an already really solid film that's aging spectacularly into near greatness.
post #6 of 34
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Yeah, the hard PG-13 cut of this film is sitting in a vault somewhere, and it annoys the piss out of me it didn't see the light of day in that Blu Ray box set. All I've heard about it suggests it could elevate an already really solid film that's aging spectacularly into near greatness.
Are you serious? Was there blood and everything? Now I really wanna see that cut! Well, that gives me one more reason to despise Warner Bros. executives. When you say "aging spectacularly", do you mean culture wise (there's a lot of late-80s-early-90s cultural items and references) or just in general? Personally, it's aged fairly well for me.

In regards to the first film, it holds up marvelously as a piece of entertainment, with fun fights, Elias Koteas as Casey Jones, and the always-marvelous work of Jim Henson's Creature Shop. I have something of a soft spot for Ooze thanks to David Warner and Frank Welker's endearingly goofy voices for Tokka and Rahzar, but it's still pretty damn stupid (Vanilla Ice, anyone?). The third movie can go die in a fire.
post #7 of 34
That's the best part. Even for an 80s film, there's a lot of universal humor that works no matter what generation you were from. Nobody else besides me under the age of 30 at the time knew that Tortoise and the Hare bit was from Fractured Fairy Tales, but "Ninja kick the damn rabbit!" is still funny as hell.
post #8 of 34
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Funny thing I noticed, the special moves from Turtles in Time came from the first movie.

Watched the 1st film, and near the final fight right before Shredder showed up, Leo was actually attacking foot soldiers with his swords. Its another thing in the background, but a couple of friends were like "umm did Leo just slice that guy in the leg? whoa the gut?"

Ralph taught me my first curse word. Parents really didn't like that.

More Secret of the Ooze stuff. Apparently Shredder's hurt arm (which Leo sliced) held him back from fighting and that the oozed up Super Shredder was supposed to be more a hulking mass with torn blades and what not. There was supposed to be a fight, and the Turtles try to use their weapons on him. The ooze though was contaminated (to make Tokka and Razar a little more dumb), and he ends up going crazy and destroys the dock anyway. Then the script got changed to the more cartoony version.
post #9 of 34
The original live action...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is...Awesome! I hated hearing that complaining parents led to a less violent TMNT 2. Hopefully, Nickelodeon will get it right, and there will be a new trilogy of the TMNT. I am a big fan of the original cartoon, and TMNT Forever which combined the...80's Turtles, the b/w comics turtles, and their current counterparts is quite the...Epic Tale. Now all that is needed is an actual release date for the dvd. The Wii Game...TMNT Smash Up is definitely a game worth...shelling out...the greenbacks for.
post #10 of 34
This may be off topic regarding the live action ninja turtles, but I absolutely LOVED the games from back in the day. Well, maybe not the very first one on NES, but the arcade game (later released on NES as TMNT 2: The Arcade Game), TMNT III: The Manhattan Project, TMNT IV: Turtles in Time, and even TMNT: Tournament Fighters were all great games. They borrowed liberally from the cartoon universe (especially 2, 3, and 4) and you always ended up fighting Shredder, Krang, and in the case of 3 and 4 SUPER SHREDDER! Foot Soldiers were always robots that exploded when they died.

Good times.

I hope that the Nickelodeon product will be good. I definitely need to rewatch the first movie, it's been a long time. I still hate that I went to a theater to see the third. For some shared nerd rage about how badly done the later movies were, check out the rants by the Angry Videogame Nerd.
post #11 of 34
I love the first movie and showed it to my 4 year old who also loved it. I really enjoy the first one because it actually had a sense of danger because characters actually get hurt and die in it. Raph gets beaten into a coma and Splinter gets tortured by Shredder. Pretty heavy stuff for a PG movie.
post #12 of 34
I am a huge geeky fan of the first film and watched it over and over when I was a kid, it was weird going back to it as an adult and realizing it had all these adult references in it I never got before. I love it as much now as I did then.

I do enjoy the second film and kind of like the third but overall the first is the best of any Ninja Turtles thing.
post #13 of 34
Must echo the love for the first movie. For some reason that opening shot of New York will always be the most Iconic in my mind. The grainy film, plus the music...love it.

The second one was more cartoonish, but still halfway decent. The Third though?? As soon as I saw the remodled plastic piece of shit costumes..that was it for me.

oh and Major love for the first movies Soundtrack. One of my favorite cassettes as a kid
post #14 of 34
Even now the first flick holds a soft spot for me. I remember when I was a kid we had Michael Angelo at my Shop-n-Save giving autographs and I got my stuffed Michael Angelo signed then went to see the movie. Which was special since I barely got to see any movies when I was a kid. I think at that time that was number 3 after Roger Rabbit and American Tail.

All that aside the movie was fascinating because after watching the show for so long at the time and then watching the movie and seeing the whole dark vibe of it. I was just stunned and wanted to see much much more in the sequels which never happen. The closet to vibe of the first was TMNT CGI.
post #15 of 34
I absolutely love the first one and still get a huge kick out of the second. The third is decent, but nowhere near as fun. I really enjoyed the recent CGI sequel as well. I've never read the comics (need to do that!), but I loved the original cartoon as a kid and really liked the more recent one. I hope Nickelodeon makes a good product, as the franchise as a whole is a pretty damn solid one.
post #16 of 34
I still can't believe I saw all three of these in the theater. One would think the second movie would have stifled my enthusiasm for a third.
post #17 of 34
If a franchise can survive Vanilla Ice it has some strong fucking legs.
post #18 of 34
Some people here need to re-evaluate what they consider "dark" in a film, cause there's nothin' dark about any of these movies. I still enjoy the first two on a pure cheese basis, but the only thing dark about the first one is the horrendously underlit cinematography. It's also directed by someone who never even tried to make their way out of a paper bag, and features some amazingly lazy plotting.

But oooo, they really fight with weapons and Raph says "damn" twice. So dark!

ETA: The voice work is also uniformly bland, and the chick playing April might be the worst person at imitating a human ever, and I've seen The Room.
post #19 of 34
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Some people here need to re-evaluate what they consider "dark" in a film, cause there's nothin' dark about any of these movies. I still enjoy the first two on a pure cheese basis, but the only thing dark about the first one is the horrendously underlit cinematography. It's also directed by someone who never even tried to make their way out of a paper bag, and features some amazingly lazy plotting.

But oooo, they really fight with weapons and Raph says "damn" twice. So dark!

ETA: The voice work is also uniformly bland, and the chick playing April might be the worst person at imitating a human ever, and I've seen The Room.
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?? Wow. I'm stunned really.

It may have not been TDK dark, but for a movie that was made based off the popularity of the cartoon (and believe me, it wasn't the megaselling comics that got it going) that was for kids, it was definently not pure kiddie fare.

Like said before, Ralph getting beaten into a coma, and Shredders fall into the trashcompactor (I was agape when Casey turned it on and the helmet was shown being crushed) it was a lot more mature then the show.

As for the lighting, I dunno, it really felt like New York to me. Besides, a movie about sewer dwelling Ninja Turtles doesn't exactly ellicit Sunshine and Rainbows.

oh and 'Ninja Kick the Damn Rabbit' still makes me giggle and gives me the urge to watch Rocky and Bullwinkle again
post #20 of 34
I don't need the Turtles to be Dark Knight levels of grim 'n gritty, quite the opposite, but people are really overstating how "extreme" these films are/were. Nothing happens that didn't happen in plenty of other kid-centric films, and I can think of at least two Disney movies around the time that are just as violent. Shredder in the trash compactor doesn't even count as "dark", since it's not shown and really is played for laughs. Mature doesn't even enter the equation.

As for the lighting, that's not New York stylizing going on, it's just cheap, flat, sub-TV quality work. There's so little life to be found in these films, outside of some moments of pure absurdity and the impressive animatronics I don't get how it garners this much respect.
post #21 of 34
So i figured as it has been a while since I have seen this, I'd pop it in and get a better perspective.

I think a lot of the reasoning behind the previous comments of 'dark and edgy' come from the fact that the cartoon (most peoples first exposure to the TMNT) was so light and fluffy. Sure they got to hack and slash, but against robots.

This film, while not 'TDK' grim/gritty, is still a bit more mature then your average fare. I think I find this film to not 'Pander' to what peoples preconcieved notions about the Turtles were at the time.

I actually found that the most..'mature' part of this movie was a lot of the Farmhouse stuff. Aprils sketches and the Fire Scene were really heavy to my 8 y/o mind, and even now, I get an internal choke up when Splinter tells his sons how much he loves them.

Its a movie that strikes a great balance between cheesy humour --
(your right, the Trash Compactor scene is played for laughs, though when I was a kid, and saw this for the first time, I immediately thought Shredders head went the way of the helmet. Just because its not shown, doesn't mean you don't immediately think about it. As an adult you realize its kind of cheesy, but too a kid, thats pretty messed up)
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and more (not a lot but moreso) mature themes (I say mature, to denote the difference between a 9 year old watching this when it came out, and my now 26 y/o self).

As for the lighting...its pretty cheap. But somehow I think that adds to its Charm (especially in comparison to the Third movie) It feels like something that just crawled out of a Sewer.

Oh and Casey Jones is still fucking badass in this.
post #22 of 34
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I don't need the Turtles to be Dark Knight levels of grim 'n gritty, quite the opposite, but people are really overstating how "extreme" these films are/were. Nothing happens that didn't happen in plenty of other kid-centric films, and I can think of at least two Disney movies around the time that are just as violent. Shredder in the trash compactor doesn't even count as "dark", since it's not shown and really is played for laughs. Mature doesn't even enter the equation.

As for the lighting, that's not New York stylizing going on, it's just cheap, flat, sub-TV quality work. There's so little life to be found in these films, outside of some moments of pure absurdity and the impressive animatronics I don't get how it garners this much respect.
It was pretty damn dark to me when I first saw it as a little kid, you're looking at this entirely from an adults perspective. I assume you just watched it for the first time recently?

I first saw it when I was like... 4 or 5 and I completely fell in love with it. This movie has some adult stuff in it but it isn't meant to resonate with us the way it does for a little kid.

Shredder terrified me, I loved Raph and was really upset when he got hurt and was in the bathtub, I was in awe of Master Splinter and thought he must be a very wise rat, the garbage compactor scene disturbed me to no end and I wanted to be friends with all the turtles and eat pizza with them. The use of the word 'Damn' was also very exciting to me as soon as I was old enough to realize that was a bad word.

These days I still love watching it for the nostalgia factor and the cheesy humour, I'm surprised at some of the sex jokes that got in there.
post #23 of 34
The flashback scenes of Splinters origin, that look like they've been overdubbed onto an ancient VHS tape, are fantastic.

As far as the movie being 'dark' goes, I don't know if I would use that word, but it's definitely solid. There seem to be real consequences to the things that happen in the film - Splinter getting tortured, the relationships between the rat and the turtles, Shredder and his army of easily impressionable youth . . .
post #24 of 34
Plus, you gotta love April's slut-tastic mini-skirts!
post #25 of 34
Cool, i'm a huge TMNT fan too, i had all the old movies on vhs and now on dvd and soon on Blu-ray.

say i didn't liked that new gci movie from warner bros in 2008, but this new special that just aired a few weeks ago is awesome Turtles Forever.


http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/Turtles_Forever
post #26 of 34
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It was already relatively dark for a PG kids film as it was - it's certainly the closest any other media has gotten to the original Eastman-Laird comics.
When I saw the first movie in the theater as a kid, I was surprised that they actually did mine material (not just the origin story and the characters) from the Eastman/Laird comics for the film's storyline.
post #27 of 34
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I'm only slightly ashamed that when I found out about that movie, I actively sought it out... and when I did get a copy, I grinned from ear to ear watching it. I didn't follow the Turtles since the first movie (although I did see the CGI movie and didn't mind it all that much), but it was a joy to see the turtles I grew up with, plus the original Mirage turtles.
post #28 of 34
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I'm only slightly ashamed that when I found out about that movie, I actively sought it out... and when I did get a copy, I grinned from ear to ear watching it. I didn't follow the Turtles since the first movie (although I did see the CGI movie and didn't mind it all that much), but it was a joy to see the turtles I grew up with, plus the original Mirage turtles.
I kinda hate that now I too want to hunt that down.
post #29 of 34
Shaka, Turtles Forever is...Awesome! It is too bad that the deal to play...Turtles Forever in movie theaters fell apart, as I definitely would have...SHELLed out the...GREEN BACKS, to see that film in theaters.
post #30 of 34
Wow, I had no idea about that project. I will definitely have to seek it out.
post #31 of 34
S.D. Bob Plissken, I really have to fault the people that made...Turtles Forever, for their lack of promoting the film on the...net! That is the only thing wrong. While I apparantly missed the tv ads, as I do not watch the current series, the telefilm, teaming up 3 sets of Ninja Turtles, was too cool to miss, even though I did eventually get to see it on...youtube.
post #32 of 34
Does anyone else remember seeing a distinctly different cut of the first film in theaters, than what ended up on VHS?

For example, the scene where April is doing sketches and reflecting on everyone, I vividly remember her talking about Michealangelo, and how she's most worried about him, over all the others. V.O. over shots of Michealangelo taking out his anger over losing Splinter on a punching bag.

But in the VHS version, she doesn't mention him at all in her monologues.

I'm sure there were other changes too, but that one in particular has stuck out in my memories of the film all these years. I'm curious if anyone else remembers this.
post #33 of 34
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I know that scene was filmed, but was removed. Don't remember my theatrical experience due to being 6 yrs old at the time.

Duke, and everyone else, Turtle's Forever was in fact a great treat for Turtle fans, and yes its on youtube.
post #34 of 34
...just found turtles forever and am watching it now. How did i miss this??

awesome
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