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post #1 of 29
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Before there was 'The Wire' before there was 'The Shield', there was Homicide, the rough, gritty look into the homicide department of Baltimore. The show has lost none of it's power over the years.

Frank Pembleton is a gift for any actor but Andre Braugher just keeps on giving, pulling back conceptions of who you think he is, the requisite hot shop cop who has to learn to be a team player, and accept he needs someone like Batliss, his scenes in the box are stuff of legend, like watching a craftsman or as Frank puts it a salesman selling a product to someone who has no use for it.

Although Andre get's the big scenes, the rest of the cast do an excellent job, Melissa Leo and Daniel Baldwin as Howard and Felton, Jon Polito and Clark Johnson as Crosetti and Meldrick and Richard Belzer and Ned Beatty as Munch and Bolander. No-one get's placed to the side, I love their conversations and musings as much as I love them actually solving murders, it makes human completely human and multi-dimensional.

And then there's Yaphet Kotto as the chief and mentor Giardello. to his squad, he's always there to support or kick ass when needed.

I'm reminded how much Bayliss seems like the forerunner to a character Dutch from the shield, a character who starts out as kind of a joke to the squad but slowly earns their respect and also reveals he has a darkside.

God, I love Munch.
post #2 of 29
Show was great until it became the Frank Pembelton show and THG cops of Jon Ceda, Callie Thorne, and Michael Michele came aboard.

Show never recovered the loss of Beatty, Baldwin, and Leo.
post #3 of 29
I purchased the complete series a few years back and have slowly been working my way through all of the seasons. I love the cast and the growth of the characters. However, Bayliss' development into him realizing he was a bisexual and that he was molested as a child seemed kind of forced to me.

The change up in the cast in the sixth season really did kind of hurt the show. Still, I'm glad Clark Johnson, Richard Belzer, and Kyle Secor got to stick around for the entire series.

Over the past month I've been trying to motivate myself to begin watching the seventh (and last) season of the Homicide, but I'm really kind of scared to watch it considering Braugher was no longer on the show. And pretty much all of the comments I've read about the last season have not been too positive. I'll probably begin it here within the next week or so though (and hope John Seda isn't too big of a presence in each episode).
post #4 of 29
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Bolander sitting alone in a bar singing to himself is just a great human moment, Beatty is so good, his constant back and forth with Belzer is great, like an old married couple. It was really nice to see Bolander find some happiness, him playing the Cello with that waitress while Pembleton and Bayliss brought in the cop was just fantastic.

This also reminds me how many familiar faces appeared on Homicide, Julianna Marguiles, Robin Williams, Dwight Yoakam in a bad wig, Wendy Hughes with an atrocious accent (to be fair, it was explained she was from Sydney) Isaiah Washington, the list goes on.
post #5 of 29
This will probably seem odd, but one of my real disappointments about the show (which I watched religiously, so to speak) was their decision to have Pemberton lose his faith.

It wasn't badly done, but we've seen characters lose their faith before, and in the beginning, Frank was virtually the only TV character I can ever remember who had religious faith, but wasn't defined by it: Christians are always right-wing nuts, Muslims are terrorists, etc. I just liked the idea that his Catholicism was allowed to be simply one aspect of a complex character, though I suppose I should have realized that they only bothered to do that so they could take it away later.
post #6 of 29
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I was surprised to see Jake Gyllenhaal playing Robin William's kid in one of the episodes.
post #7 of 29
That episode was directed by Gyllenhaal's father.

Also check out Paul Giamatti as a loser in one of the later seasons.

As much as I give them credit for doing different things. I always thought it was strange how Bayliss was always getting fucked over one way or the other.

But Meldrick Lewis was the unsung hero of that show.

And the seventh season is very much the weakest.
post #8 of 29
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Bolander sitting alone in a bar singing to himself is just a great human moment, Beatty is so good, his constant back and forth with Belzer is great, like an old married couple. It was really nice to see Bolander find some happiness, him playing the Cello with that waitress while Pembleton and Bayliss brought in the cop was just fantastic.
My favorite show of all time, no doubt. And Seasons 1 & 2 have a special place in my heart. Also love Det. Steve Crosetti!
post #9 of 29
Crosetti was very much underused. It was either Polito bitching or NBC demanding him to leave. Not sure which is which.

Still, as much as I like the idea of the squadroom videographer. Never really liked Max Perlich.
post #10 of 29
To this day, I think Paul Thomas Anderson cribbed the last story of Magnolia's prologue from the Steve Allen episode.

Not a knock because PTA told it so well.
post #11 of 29
The TV-movie is still my favorite series finale ever. You could -- and I have -- make a strong argument for "Three Men and Adena" as the single greatest episode of tv drama, ever.
post #12 of 29
One of my personal favorite episodes involved Howard going back home and dealing with the decline of the watermen and a murder. Now when I think about it, it almost feels like a proto-season 2 of The Wire.
post #13 of 29
Richard Belzer might as well legally change his name to John Munch. Save all the hassle.
post #14 of 29
Might as well. Although when I go back into the earlier seasons, you kind of see what Stanley was dealing with. I.E. Munch was just very annoying.

His best was during the three parter when Bolander, Felton and Howard were shot.

"There's blood on my shoes, Gee."
post #15 of 29
I rarely get to name drop creative types but I'm always happy to do so when it comes to HOMICIDE. Erik Dellums, the actor who played badass Luther Mahoney, is a buddy of mine. He later played the tall, lanky ME on THE WIRE (although he didn't get much face time). He's such a nice, gregarious guy, you'd never guess where he conjured Luther. Despite my bias, that was probably my favorite running storyline from the latter day cast. Always liked Reed Diamond's work.
post #16 of 29
If there's a moment from the later seasons I really liked. It was the moment Munch walks out of the bar moments after the squadroom shoot out. Just seeing all that hell breaking loose.

Of course it was nothing when Pembleton figured out he was interrogating the wrong shooter after Bolander, Howard and Felton were shot. Plus, a great use of Peter Gaberial as they search the train station.
post #17 of 29
A few months ago I purchased the box set and plowed through the whole thing in about six weeks (I watched it off & on during its initial run, mostly during season 4). Three Men & Adena is truly an outstanding episode; it's amazing how gripping it is considering that the whole episode is essentially three people in a room talking for ~45 minutes. TBH my favorite episode of the entire run didn't involve any crime at all; it's the first season episode where the crew is working night shift and the heat goes out...just all of 'em sitting around and BSing. Not sure why, but that episode breezed by for me. Also, maybe it's watching the entire series in a short time frame, but I don't think the final season was awful by any means...sure it wasn't up to the level of previous seasons - s3 being the best IMO - but the conflict between Giardellos Sr. & Jr. was handled well & actually REVEALED some depth about G's personal life (which had been touched upon in prior seasons, but not to the level of the other detectives)
post #18 of 29
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The shooter ended up being Steve Buscemi if I remember correctly.
post #19 of 29
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The shooter ended up being Steve Buscemi if I remember correctly.
Yep
post #20 of 29
The mystery that remained was who killed the guy. And as you can guess, no one cares to find out.
post #21 of 29
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Also, maybe it's watching the entire series in a short time frame, but I don't think the final season was awful by any means...sure it wasn't up to the level of previous seasons - s3 being the best IMO - but the conflict between Giardellos Sr. & Jr. was handled well & actually REVEALED some depth about G's personal life (which had been touched upon in prior seasons, but not to the level of the other detectives)
Yeah, the seventh season was weak, but any year of Homicide has its merits.

It was a little hokey, but I liked the end of the Homicide movie which tied things up somewhat (no spoilers).

The series was based on a terrific book, Homicide, by David Simon. Sure you guys recognize the name.
post #22 of 29
I noticed that the majority of the cases from season one were lifted directly from the book.
post #23 of 29
When Munch showed up on X-Files, that was fun. Learning he was cousins with Lenny Briscoe, also good times. And he was a big part of the first couple years of SVU. Partnering him with Ice-T was one of the better ideas that show had. But to go from "I am not Montel Williams!" and being the guy who in all likelyhood took out Buscemi to getting a few lines every week....gotta admit, that's kind of sad.
post #24 of 29
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I picked up Season 2: Further adventures of Munch, Meldrick and Stanley 'The dancing bear' Bolander. Amazing stuff. The first half of the season, all of the characters get their time but after Howard, Felton and Bolander got shot, Howard and Felton seemed to drift into the background which is understandable I guess.

Munch's reaction at getting kicked out of the alcohol awareness seminar is fucking priceless, Belzer actually does strong work over the season, Munch looking after that kid at christmas was deftly played.

Of course, the major storyline was Howard, Felton and Bolander getting shot, Giardello's breakdown by the side of the park was quite moving. I like Meldrick laying it down cold to the media.

This season really had a great balance of humor and drama, it made the characters feel totally human. Munch's relationship with Bolander is totally endearing, seeing Bolander in the rocky getup while Munch coaches him was hilarious.
post #25 of 29
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I picked up Season 2: Further adventures of Munch, Meldrick and Stanley 'The dancing bear' Bolander. Amazing stuff. The first half of the season, all of the characters get their time but after Howard, Felton and Bolander got shot, Howard and Felton seemed to drift into the background which is understandable I guess.
I take it you meant season 3. Season 2 was a total of 4 episodes long.
post #26 of 29
Anyone read Belzer's murder mysteries (co-written with Michael Black), where he plays himself, but with the specific awareness that he's expected to be like Munch, to one degree or another?

I started the second one (I Am Not A Psychic), and am kind of underwhelmed by the obviousness of the writing and lame attempts at Chandler-like similes. I might toss it and try the first one (I Am Not A Cop) to see if it's easier to "get into" the characterization.
post #27 of 29
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I take it you meant season 3. Season 2 was a total of 4 episodes long.
That's kinda weird, the DVD I got says the complete second series.
post #28 of 29
I saw those but I figured they would be like those mysteries Ed Koch "wrote". Real tea cozy stuff.

As for Nathan was saying, yeah he was watching season 3. Season 2 is paired with season 1.
post #29 of 29
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I saw those but I figured they would be like those mysteries Ed Koch "wrote". Real tea cozy stuff.
Well, in this case, it's tea cozies, conspiracies, and martial arts.
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