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Countdown: Apple Tablet- What is it? Will you want it?

post #1 of 346
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In about 2 weeks [the rumors go] Apple will host an event at which they will theoretically unveil the long long long long rumored Apple Tablet device, which some pontificate will be called the Slate, or iSlate.

The most general consensus is that we're looking at a 10-11" screen device that surely will have WiFi, might have 3G connectivity and could be available subsidized through wireless carriers.

Nothing is known for sure, but already people have piled up on both sides either claiming it to be the second coming or completely useless.

Will it be a super eReader, a large iPhone or a keyboardless Mac?

Will it leverage the appStore to provide software for the device?

Will it be synched device like the iPhone/iPod Touch or a standalone computer?

Has Apple tied up content providers to add books, textbooks, magazines and newspapers to the iTunes store?

Can you use it as a tablet input for your other computers?

Here is a pretty great article from Gizmodo compiling all the rumors about the device.

So, what is this thing and were is it going to fit in with the rest of Apple's lineup? Does this form factor appeal to you, regardless of what it does?
post #2 of 346
Whatever it is, I will probably buy it day one. I am a total sucker for whatever apple is selling. If it has a Pixel Qi screen, it might be game changing.
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I would go nuts if I could actually draw (with a pen) on the device (like a Cintiq).
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Totally depends on the price. The rumors have ranged from $1,000 to $2,500 to $1,500 with a contract to a cellular provider for data packages. I loved my Macbook Air when I bought it, and it's a nice laptop for web surfing, which is all i needed it for at the time, but I regret the purchase now. I'm in need of a more heavy duty laptop, which I could easily have bought for what I spent on the Macbook Air. I don't think I can spend another $1000+ on a device I'm just using to surf the web. I can do that on my work computer, my gaming desktop, my Air, and my iPhone. It needs to have something really new.
post #5 of 346
The Onion broke this one a looooong time ago.
post #6 of 346
CES was full of slates. All of which cost half of what the Apple slate will likely cost. And yet this shit will sell, sell, sell.
post #7 of 346
I can also buy a Windows Mobile phone for $99. Why are people buying the iPhone? ONE IS CHEAPER!
post #8 of 346
As long as Steve Jobs is alive, you know this thing is going to be ridiculously sexy.
post #9 of 346
It seems like everyone's waiting for the same thing, which is to find out if the Apple tablet is just an oversized iPhone. Or, it could do what the iPod did for .mp3 players and blow every other tablet/slate/ebook out of the water.
post #10 of 346
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As long as Steve Jobs is alive, you know this thing is going to be ridiculously sexy.
At this point, I think Jonathan Ive deserves credit for the sexy. Jobs is the guy who seems to have a sixth-sense for interface design.
post #11 of 346
To me the interface is the sexy part. Making a tablet look sleek will be easy... just what they have in store software wise is what will set this thing apart. I think being able to write on it is a given.
post #12 of 346
If this is just a tablet computer, I don't think it's going to be a major success. It either needs to be a generational leap in the technology used in tablets or it needs to be a device that we aren't even aware we need yet. Basically, we've all seen the videos for Microsoft's Courier. That's the target that Apple needs to shoot for.
post #13 of 346
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Originally Posted by BillyG View Post
Totally depends on the price. The rumors have ranged from $1,000 to $2,500 to $1,500 with a contract to a cellular provider for data packages.
Actually, the rumors I've seen have the device costing $600-1000 at the high end. But Apple products are never priced to compete with the competition, that's true. It will be more expensive than netbooks and other tablet offerings, that's almost assured. The question is will it be worth it?
post #14 of 346
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CES was full of slates. All of which cost half of what the Apple slate will likely cost. And yet this shit will sell, sell, sell.
The interesting thing was that none of the announced tablets came with a locked down feature set, price, or shipping date. It was just hardware, with maybe windows vista or google chrome running.

It seems like everyone is holding their breath to see what Apple is going to announce; then they'll try to implement some of those features, and then price undercut and get to market before Apple.

I think the advantage that Apple will bring is that they've created a new OS that actually works for a tablet device, using what they've learned with the iPhone. Plus, if they have gotten publisher onboard, the iTunes store will be a great way to buy books, magazines, etc..
post #15 of 346
I'm not an Apple fanatic but MS totally failed in the Tablet space, they have to do a lot of work to get anybody excited about what they're doing.

Google Chrome OS has some potential, but from what I've seen it has a LONG way to go to catch up with what most people would expect from Apple's device in this area.
post #16 of 346
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Originally Posted by The LD View Post
If this is just a tablet computer, I don't think it's going to be a major success. It either needs to be a generational leap in the technology used in tablets or it needs to be a device that we aren't even aware we need yet. Basically, we've all seen the videos for Microsoft's Courier. That's the target that Apple needs to shoot for.
What's funny is that the Courier is what everyone was expecting to announce at the CES keynote- and what Balmer did was basically hold up an anonymous tablet and show an eReader. Microsoft always show wonderful concepts, but most of them never make it to market. Give Apple credit- they never talk about what they're working on, they just announce products that you can buy either immediately or in a month or so.

As far as the courier goes- the demo was cool, I've read a couple of articles about how in practice, beyond the scrapbooking fetish, it might not be the bee's knees that everyone thinks. Regardless- it's vaporware, and no more realistic at this stage than stuff in Minority Report.
post #17 of 346
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I would go nuts if I could actually draw (with a pen) on the device (like a Cintiq).
Yep. I'd draw a lot more if I could do it in front of the TV without paper. I have no money, but I might sell stuff to get one if it works that way.
post #18 of 346
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Whether it's a built in feature, or an app that some 3rd party developer creates, there's sure to be tones of drawing programs for this thing.

Considering what they sell the Wacom ones for, getting a tablet that's also a mini computer would certainly steal a chunk of their market.
post #19 of 346
Oh yeah.

Of course this is not just having a simple drawing app, but integrating into existing programs like Photoshop, etc. Supporting a stylus (with eraser) and enough pressure sensitivity.

I would tolerate if it doesn't do "tilt" like the wacoms, but to me this would be my killer app for such a device.

If it had a little camera, I could trace on top of a video feed or take a quick spanshot of a reference picture or sketch.
post #20 of 346
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Oh yeah.

Of course this is not just having a simple drawing app, but integrating into existing programs like Photoshop, etc. Supporting a stylus (with eraser) and enough pressure sensitivity.

I would tolerate if it doesn't do "tilt" like the wacoms, but to me this would be my killer app for such a device.

If it had a little camera, I could trace on top of a video feed or take a quick spanshot of a reference picture or sketch.
It goes unsaid, my friend. I'm addicted to Illustrator.
post #21 of 346
Steve Jobs hates the stylus.

Is this going to have a beefed up OS? I kept hearing it was the same OS as the iPhone, but I haven't checked in on this week's rumors.
post #22 of 346
I just want to play this.
post #23 of 346
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Steve Jobs hates the stylus.
Of course he does, as a primary user interface.

But for drawing applications, we're not talking about finger painting here.
post #24 of 346
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I just want to play this.
Scribblenauts where you draw the item instead of write the word eh.. hmmm. Even has the same "get to the star" mechanic!
post #25 of 346
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Is this going to have a beefed up OS? I kept hearing it was the same OS as the iPhone, but I haven't checked in on this week's rumors.
There's no definitive info one way or another. It's certainly not going to be just the Mac OSX [though that's what some people want]. It's going to have to be a different iteration than the iPhone, since it's going to be working at a different screen resolution [likey 1280x720; the size for iTunes LP stuff and the resolution of HD movies and TV on iTunes]. Just how beefy- whether it's based entirely on appStore apps, or whether that's just one component, is one of the biggest question marks.

One thing is for certain, any app you can get for the iPhone, you'll probably be able to get for this thing. Which means that cool stuff like an app that allows you to basically control your home computer from anywhere, will be way more functional with a 10" screen than the 3.5 the iPhone has. Which basically means that regardless of what OS the tablet has, you will sort of have access to a full OS through your computer at home.
post #26 of 346
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It seems like everyone's waiting for the same thing, which is to find out if the Apple tablet is just an oversized iPhone.
This is what it seems like to me, and there are very few things by Apple that leave me just shrugging my shoulders and saying, "Ehhh...". The Airbook was one, this is the other. I just upgraded from my old MacBook to a MacBook Pro in October, and I love it, so the honeymoon isn't over yet. So that could be part of my disinterest in the Apple Tablet. But it does sound like a giant iPhone to me, which - again, I just don't see the point.
post #27 of 346
There are also strong indications that Apple has gone out of their way to develop new media consumption models to back the hardware. If any of the speculation revolving around their LaLa acquisition and print-media profit deals are true or close to the mark, this will be a very interesting year.
post #28 of 346
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Publishers would be crazy to not jump onboard. From what I understand, the revenue share on eBooks through Amazon is 70% Amazon/ 30% Publisher. Apple will almost certainly offer print content providers the same inverted 70/30 split they offer appStore developers. This has always been Apple's iTunes advantage; they sell content to sell hardware, not to make a profit on the content itself. The fact that they still make a profit running the iTunes store is only because of sheer volume.
post #29 of 346
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Originally Posted by LisaNY View Post
This is what it seems like to me, and there are very few things by Apple that leave me just shrugging my shoulders and saying, "Ehhh...". The Airbook was one, this is the other. I just upgraded from my old MacBook to a MacBook Pro in October, and I love it, so the honeymoon isn't over yet. So that could be part of my disinterest in the Apple Tablet. But it does sound like a giant iPhone to me, which - again, I just don't see the point.
I feel the same way. I love my MacBook Pro, and I have an iPhone and Kindle so I don't even know if I'm in the market to get one of these or what it could do for me. Besides Crayon Physics Deluxe of course.

ETA: At Gizmodo they're saying the tablet won't have any kind of camera, webcam or otherwise. I thought that was something that would be included as a no-brainer, but I guess not.
post #30 of 346
There are three things that the Slate needs to do in order to become the iPod of the e-reader/publishing market:

1. a) It needs to be in full color, and b) be touchscreen, without losing the properties of electronic ink. Basically, it needs to remove the backlighting. That's what causes eye strain in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the price is so high is because they've managed to crack this. On the other hand, there are a ton of slates coming out for about the same -- we're selling one at B&N called the Que, which runs around 699, I believe, that's in B&W.

2. The textbook industry needs to play ball. It's very clear that making a 300 dollar textbook available for even 50 dollars as an ebook would destroy the publishers, not to mention resales. There's a lot of politics going on with these things beyond the technology. But since most people are holding off on e-readers until they can do either 1 or 2 (or both), the first e-reader to offer extensive textbook and technical manual libraries is going to be the one that people will buy.

3. It needs to work internationally, across the board. This is probably the hardest, because you're dealing with copyright, and beyond that, you're dealing with (and I'm not entirely sure) contract renegotiation. (This is also why it's hard to find some older authors between the end of the public domain and probably the late 80s, on e-readers.) The Kindle international does this, but I'm not sure how they work -- my assuumption would be you buy a book from the U.S. site, but are charged for import tax on top of whatever you pay for it.

That's just how I see it, from having worked pretty intensely with one of these e-reader devices, and answering a lot of questions/researching both slates and the Tablet, as a result. I'm not an expert. But from where I sit, those are the big three, and that's not even dealing with the massive copyright issues these do and will continue to bring up.

Or the battery issue.
post #31 of 346
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Well, the event is confirmed.

Apple's pre-event marketing is always a Rorschach test. Are they saying the device is going to do a bunch of things? Have a creative slant or creative new input GUI?

Just over a week to go. Until then, expect most tech sites to have at least one Apple tablet lead article a day- but then again that's the way it's been for weeks...
post #32 of 346
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Various rumor snippets via Appleinsider:

Tablet, iPhone OS 4.0, iLife 2010 'confirmed' for Apple event

HarperCollins in talks to offer content for Apple's tablet

Apple's tablet announcement: games could be a focus, music unlikely

The overall slant to all this seems to be that Apple has been doing a TON of legwork in the back end, setting up distribution agreements to try and make the tablet a go-to device for a bunch of markets- general reading, textbooks, magazine and newspaper subscriptions, medical, comic books, and gaming; and that's besides general computing, movie and music, and web browsing. Plus everything that you can do with stuff you buy from the appStore.

The rumors are flying fast and furious now. It will be interesting to see if Apple can keep the lid on tight for the next week.
post #33 of 346
Like all apple products, it's looking like the software and services are going to be make-or-break. But, I still can't get past the screen issue. Reading books on a traditional LCD sucks. If I'm going to be putting my Kindle on Ebay, I need an alternative that comes close to matching the kindle's strengths: battery life and ease of reading.

If apple can conquer those hurdles, this will be one hell of a product.
post #34 of 346
RE: the art posted above.

Splashes of color everywhere = full-color e-reader/multimedia device. Going right at the perceived (rightly or wrongly) weakness of e-ink displays: monochrome.

Maybe it's some kind of new hybrid display tech or they've treated the glass in some way that will reduce eye strain.
post #35 of 346
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I think undeniably there's going to be a compromise at this point.

Either you're going to buy the Kindle for the reason's you mentioned, or you'll buy Apple's product for the full colour and enhanced functionality. Battery-wise, with a 10" screen, there's a lot more room behind it for added battery cells, so if all you're doing is reading, Apple may satisfy you in that regard.

As for the display- right now the only solution that would do what you'd want would seem to be the pixelQI combo eInk/LCD screen that demoed at CES. However, the LCD side of the display has been described as low contrast and with a limited range of view. It may pose some interesting possibilities in the future, but it's too early in it's development to be something I think Apple would use. Plus, I honestly think eInk is a dead end in the mid-term. it's only useful for static pages [even when they nail down color], and as displays get better and batteries get better, eInk's advantages and usefulness will evaporate.

There will certainly be a segment of the market that will push back against reading on an LCD device and stick with the Kindle; just like there are those for which the lack of a physical keyboard is a fatal flaw of the iPhone, or those who refuse to buy digital downloads because they aren't completely "lossless" like CDs. These are all very valid arguments depending on your personal preference, but kids jump on this stuff like gangbusters, and they don't have the same legacy hang-ups that us older folks do.
post #36 of 346
Gizmodo seems to think it will be priced between $600 and $800. At that price I can easily see myself tempted to grab it day one.
post #37 of 346
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At Gizmodo they're saying the tablet won't have any kind of camera, webcam or otherwise. I thought that was something that would be included as a no-brainer, but I guess not.
Don't forget this is all speculation on rumor from hearsay. Honestly at this point I think tech writers are just throwing darts at a board. Personally I don't see the need for a backside camera on this thing, but would love a webcam. I use iChat all the time, and would like to see it on this, as well as this year's iPhone as well, even if it only works over WiFi...

Macrumors always does a neat thing a couple days after a product launch- they go back to the analysts and rumor mills and see how everyone scored.
post #38 of 346
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Speculation fervor continues-

Sources detail physical design of Apple's upcoming tablet device

Apple sees tablet as one device shared by the whole family - WSJ

Verizon, AT&T in 11th hour talks for CDMA, GSM Apple tablets

Apple making last-minute tablet content deals for trade, education books

Right now tech sites are chasing info that's leading them to believe the device will be called the iPad.

Though it would seem to make sense to name the device with it's "i" monkier, in line with it's other consumer products, I'm not a fan of iPad, iSlate or iTablet. However, Apple Slate is pretty slick. "Slate" to me is a good compromise- it's a very established word, but one that doesn't have a modern association.

Four days and the speculation will be over...
post #39 of 346
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Rumor sites are starting to circle the wagons. Here's a good roundup from Macrumors

The Apple Tablet Rumor Roundup

The event starts a 10am Pacific. Apple doesn't provide live feeds of events, but most of the tech sites provide live commentary and photos. I've generally found Gizmodo to cover them best, but Engadet, Macrumors, etc. all have their own coverage.
post #40 of 346
Ive heard the name "Canvass". First time i'd heard it but it makes sense.

Apple really are amazing. Theyre releasing this on the back of nearly $3.5bn profit for 2009. And whatever it is, this thing will sell and sell.
post #41 of 346
iPad
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CNN's live Twitter feed:

http://twitter.com/cnntech?hpt=T1
post #44 of 346
Looks like a giant iPhone.
post #45 of 346
And probably priced accordingly.
post #46 of 346
But will it stop the iFlow?
post #47 of 346
Okay. That looks pretty cool.
post #48 of 346
WHen does it go on sale?
post #49 of 346
It can run all iPhone apps out of the box.

It looks cool, but what's it for really? It feels like an iPhone without the phone and a laptop without the memory.
post #50 of 346
If it's an improved e-book (I use the Kindle app on my iTouch) then it will be worth it.
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