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post #401 of 488
2/22/12 at 9:32am

I want the Dark Bonnie saga and I want it now.

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post #402 of 488
2/23/12 at 12:59am

You think you want that, then in 5 years time BOOM she's reincarnated as some sort of alien-backed gambit to destroy the Vegas brothers.

 

One of whom has been turned into a cyborg.

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post #403 of 488
2/23/12 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

And if they're "movieverse," is Basterds what it is here, a fantasy end to World War II, or is it historical?  Meaning that in the "real world," did Hitler actually die that way?


Good question.  Like I said, it's hard to tell where Basterds and Django might place in this situation.  Kill Bill and Death Proof are obviously "movieverse" entries, but things aren't so clear with his two latest films.  I suspect the same will be said for his eventual Prohibition-era gangster flick that he talks up from time to time these days.

 

I can't believe I'm having a serious discussion about this.



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I could swear that conversation has been going on longer than just since Kill Bill. I might be mistaken, but I think he floated that idea out there as early as after Pulp Fiction.


You're probably right.  All I know is that I don't recall him mentioning it since the Kill Bill films hit theaters.  Then again, I doubt anyone has ever really brought it up in an interview since then.

 



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Originally Posted by Sumeragi View Post

I think Tarantino has said that the 'Bear Jew' Donny Donowitz is related to Lee Donowitz from True Romance, a 'real world movie.' So either True Romance takes place in a world where Hitler died in a hail of bullets/huge explosion, or there's just no consistent logic to Tarantino's  movie-verse movies/real world movie structure. I'm leaning towards the latter.


Then that likely makes Basterds a "real world" entry...........or at least an historical epic produced (by Lee Donowitz?) in the "real world"-verse.

 

Once again, I'd say the true litmus test here is the McGraw clan.  They're present in the FDTD series, Kill Bill 1&2, Planet Terror, and Death Proof (and probably the Machete sequels).............making those "movieverse" entries.

 

 

 

 

 

While we're at it, does anyone else here think James Gandolfini's "Virgil" in True Romance is a Vega Brother as well?  Or at least some sort of relative?  After all, he fits the profile.

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post #404 of 488
2/23/12 at 6:48am

Cracked had a take on this last summer:

 

 

 

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Every self-respecting Tarantino fan knows about the link between Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs ... but it turns out that the connections between his movies go much, much deeper than that.
 
In Pulp Fiction, John Travolta plays a guy called Vincent Vega. In Reservoir Dogs, most of the characters are known only by their code names -- except Mr. Blonde (Michael Madsen), who happens to be called Vic Vega. Coincidence? Nope, Tarantino has confirmed that they are brothers, and at one point he even considered doing a prequel about the two before they died in their respective movies (though he says it's unlikely now because of the actors' ages).
 
That's just the tip of the iceberg, though. As you might recall, Tarantino's movie Inglourious Basterds ends with the slightly unrealistic scene where Hitler is gunned to shit by a group of Nazi-hunting American Jews in 1944, rather than killing himself in his bunker the following year. If you ever wondered what the world would be like if World War II had really ended that way -- well, it turns out Tarantino has been showing us that reality for the past 20 years.
 
You see, in Inglourious Basterds, Eli Roth plays a character called Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz.  And in True Romance (written by Tarantino), there's a film producer called Lee Donowitz, who has been confirmed to be Donny's son. One of the main characters in True Romance is a woman called Alabama -- the same Alabama Mr. White mentions as a former partner in Reservoir Dogs. Since we've already linked Reservoir Dogs to Pulp Fiction, this means that almost every movie Tarantino has done is set in the Inglourious Basterds timeline. We could go even further and link all the rest through Tarantino's fake brands, like those Red Apple cigarettes that appear in a lot of his movies (including Kill Bill).
 
It makes a sort of sense when you think about it -- the world would be a very different place if Inglourious Basterds was historically accurate and everyone knew that the Nazis were defeated not through strategy and air power, but by sending a handful of pissed-off guys to do this:
 
If that's what you're taught in school, it's only natural that people should become desensitized to violence -- for some, shooting someone in the face would be something you could do as you're, say, making small talk about what type of hamburgers they have in Amsterdam.
 
Also, the fact that the Nazi high command was gunned down and/or burned alive during a hijacked film premiere would perhaps cause society to lend more importance to pop culture: It's no coincidence that the son of the man who killed Hitler in a movie theater went on to become an important film industry figure. If people constantly stop to talk about comic book characters or '70s rock music trivia during incongruous moments, that's because in this reality that's some important, history-changing shit.

 

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post #405 of 488
2/23/12 at 7:12am

So Tarantino created his own reality where the power of cinema is a game-changer? Awesome.

 

Wouldn't we all like to live there? I would. At the very least I want to live in the world where Hitler's skinned alive by bullets.

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post #406 of 488
2/23/12 at 7:38am

My theory would've been that the "real" Donny Donowitz was killed in the European theater (not necessarily Shoshanna's), and Inglorious is Lee Donowitz's lionizing (Bear-izing) tribute to his forebearer.  And all the stuff about the history shaping power of cinema would make a sad sort of sense.  The guy's lived in the shadow of his warrior father's heroic death in The Great War his entire life, so even after building a multi-million dollar empire, he still has this need to justify his life's work against that.  I also assume he was a producer on Fox Force Five, and Kill Bill at least came out of his production company.

 

But I like the Cracked take.

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post #407 of 488
2/23/12 at 7:56am

I like it as well, but I think it implies a level of foresight and intricacy on Tarantino's part that I'm not sure is there.

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post #408 of 488
2/23/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Sumeragi View Post


 

I think Tarantino has said that the 'Bear Jew' Donny Donowitz is related to Lee Donowitz from True Romance, a 'real world movie.' So either True Romance takes place in a world where Hitler died in a hail of bullets/huge explosion, or there's just no consistent logic to Tarantino's  movie-verse movies/real world movie structure. I'm leaning towards the latter.



I'm perfectly okay with it being the latter. In fact, it just adds to the fun for me.

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post #409 of 488
2/23/12 at 8:27am

From what I remember of those handful of interviews in which Tarantino explained his "universes," he described them not as "real world" and "movie world" but as the "realer than real" and the "movie movie" universes. Realer than real would suggest that those films don't necessarily exist in ours at all, and so there's no real conflict or inconsistency with Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and True Romance existing in a world in which WWII ended in Shoshanna's theater. They're all in a movie world reality. (The real world doesn't have B&W process shots behind taxi rides, either. And very few glowing suitcases.) And so then his Movie Movie films are one more removed from reality than that.

 

Someone asked him where Jackie Brown falls, and he said that that's Elmore Leonard's universe, and doesn't exist anywhere is his own.

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post #410 of 488
2/23/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

I like it as well, but I think it implies a level of foresight and intricacy on Tarantino's part that I'm not sure is there.

 

I don't think the idea is so much that Tarantino mapped this all out in his head in 1990, just that even the drastically different stories he's told on film present a consistent worldview reflective of his (gloriously fucked) psyche. 

 

 

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post #411 of 488
2/23/12 at 10:41am

That's what I like about it. Sure it can be fun to get nerdy and map out all the connections and speculate over what fits into where but beyond that it really speaks to the strength of Tarantino's voice/vision (both deliberate and unconscious) as an auteur. And it's a voice and a vision that speaks to folks like us because it's so thoroughly steeped in a love of film and film history. You could go so far as to say that's what all his films are about on some level, and the whole universes thing speaks to the depth of it.

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post #412 of 488
4/18/12 at 8:55am

I have a cool theory about Reservoir Dogs. Everyone was planning on betraying Joe and Nice Guy Eddie. So Mr. White and Mr. Orange fell in love over the course of the movie, White and Orange told each other their names and they planned to run away with each other and take the money. This would explain why White put so much trust into Orange, and why he was so heartbroken when he found out that he was a cop. Mr. Blonde was clearly tired of taking orders from Eddie, so I think he planned to kill the cop then take the money, just like Orange said. Mr. Pink was deliberately trying to get everyone to hate him (i.e. refusing to tip, accusing White of being a cop etc.) So, when he decided to leave and go to a motel no one would try to stop him, and he would secretly take the diamonds with him. Mr. Brown was trying to get Orange and White killed when he crashed the car, but he crashed the car too hard and ended up dying instead. Mr. Blue was trying to stay quiet, because he knew everyone would screw up the heist and end up killing each other and when that happened he would take the diamonds and run. Blue stuck around with Blonde because he thought Blonde was the only professional, but his plan fell to pieces when Blonde started shooting the place up. Pink's plan didn't actually work, but he ended up with the diamonds anyway.

 

Also, the heist in Reservoir Dogs took place on the same day as the first part of Pulp Fiction. Which would explain why there were almost no cops in Pulp Fiction.

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post #413 of 488
4/20/12 at 12:29pm

Finally escaping the Black Lodge after 25 years, Special Agent Dale Cooper's soul inhabits a new vessel and continues chasing Bob in the only way possible - participating in the local government of Pawnee, Indiana...

 

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post #414 of 488
4/23/12 at 4:41am

I still like the idea that Floyd is Aldo Raine's grandson.

 

Don't con-send me. Fuckin' scalp you, man.

 

On the Vegas Brothers tip, Tarantino sorta-kinda had a whack at it with the Gecko brothers, who had a similar dynamic if you see Richie as the uncontrollable Vic Vega type and Seth as the more level-headed though non-heroin-addicted Vincent.

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post #415 of 488
5/8/12 at 5:34am

The hell dimension that Holtz takes baby Conner to at the end of season 3 of Angel is the Mad Men universe.

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post #416 of 488
6/2/12 at 9:56pm

In QT's real universe Hitler was Killed in the movie theater (Bastards is historical) and the extreme amount of violence which the world had been exposed to would desensitize them, and they are obsessed with death (like the cabdriver in Pulp Fiction. thus in the future all of the movies (in QT's movieverse are overly violent. i.e. KB, grindhouse, I cant explain it that well but I read about it on reddit.

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post #417 of 488
7/16/12 at 6:48am
Here's one that made my head explode this morning. An interpretation of the film My Neighbor Totoro as the god of death

From the article:
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The rumor says that Totoro is the God of Death, so the persons that can see Totoro are actually close to death, or already dead. What that means for the story is that when Mei goes missing and a sandal is found in the pond, Mei actually drowned. When Satsuki is asked about the sandal she cannot face the truth and lies about it not being Mei's sandal. So Satsuki goes on a desperate search for Totoro, calling for him and actually opens up the door the realm of the dead herself. With Totoro's help she finds her dead sister and they together go to their mother's hospital. There, the only one who actually noticed that the sisters were there, was the mother, who also soon is going to die.

And in the ending scene, Satsuki and Mei don't have any shadows some says.

It makes a strange sad sense, which oddly doesn't change my feeling toward the film. Of course Studio Ghibli released a statement saying that this isn't true, but it is creepy how well it fits in with the film.
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post #418 of 488
7/16/12 at 8:15am

Ecchh.

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post #419 of 488
7/16/12 at 2:32pm
I take it that you're not a connoisseur of crazy conspiracy theory like explanations fans concoct about their favorite films.

I've always enjoyed the leaps of logic and mental gymnastics of trying to "find" a separate story surrounding the events of treasured film's plot. Do I know this second story is false and completely unintentional on the part of the filmmaker? Of course, but for me reading stuff like this is like listening to a sportsman tell a wild story about how he caught the biggest fish in the state competition. It's all lies, but entertaining lies that for a moment let me step into the creative brain of another person.
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post #420 of 488
9/16/12 at 9:38am
Insane and Awesome: Emperor Palpatine wasn't building fleets of Star Destroyers and planet-killing doomsday weapons to quash a trifling Rebellion. He was arming the galaxy to fend of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, which came twenty-five years after his death.

Insane, Awesome, and Valid: Samurai Jack takes place in a post-apocalyptic Townsville.

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post #421 of 488
9/16/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

Insane, Awesome, and Valid: Samurai Jack takes place in a post-apocalyptic Townsville.

Jiminy Cricket that's awesome!

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post #422 of 488
9/16/12 at 9:49pm
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Insane, Awesome, and Valid: Samurai Jack takes place in a post-apocalyptic Townsville.

 

HOLY SHIT!

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post #423 of 488
9/24/12 at 7:47pm

I'm personally a fan of this on-going franchise as well:

 

  1. Home Alone (1990)
  2. Home Alone II: Lost In New York (1992)
  3. The Collector (2009)
  4. The Collection (2012)

 

It's nice to see that Kevin grew to embrace his true calling as a master craftsman.  As for how he applies his trade?  Well, it was honestly inevitable.  The signs were always there.

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post #424 of 488
9/24/12 at 10:04pm

Kevin was always a fucked up kid.

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post #425 of 488
9/25/12 at 4:11am

I see it as

 

Home Alone (1990)

Home Alone II: Lost In New York (1992)

We Need To Talk About Kevin (2011)

 

You leave your child to fend for himself against Joe Pesci and Tim Curry, twice, and you're SURPRISED he ends up as a bow-wielding psychopath?
 

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post #426 of 488
9/25/12 at 11:55am

I'd draw a line from Kevin's deathtraps to Saw but then I'd have to watch the Saw movies.

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post #427 of 488
9/25/12 at 2:18pm
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I'd draw a line from Kevin's deathtraps to Saw but then I'd have to watch the Saw movies.

 

Which is why The Collector is the perfect solution.  Unlike Jigsaw being elsewhere or dead, this dude actually gets off on watching most of his contraptions maim (and murder) people.....just like Kevin.

 

If a third ends up being made, someone should convince Dunstan to have his killer watching Angels With Dirty Faces, just for the fun of it.

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post #428 of 488
9/25/12 at 2:24pm

Here's a crazy one from me...   In THE MASTER, Joaquin Phoenix plays a seaman who talks out of the side of his mouth and routinely gets into fights.  Inspired, perhaps, by...

 

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post #429 of 488
9/25/12 at 3:39pm
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Here's a crazy one from me...   In THE MASTER, Joaquin Phoenix plays a seaman who talks out of the side of his mouth and routinely gets into fights.  Inspired, perhaps, by...

 

 

He certainly tore up that jail cell like he was on spinach.  

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post #430 of 488
9/25/12 at 3:41pm

Does that make PSH Wimpy? Or maybe Bluto?

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post #431 of 488
9/25/12 at 3:51pm
Originally Posted by AtomTastic View Post

Does that make PSH Wimpy? Or maybe Bluto?

 

Oh... Wimpy, naturally.  He'll gladly pay you Tuesday if you close your eyes and place a hamburger in your future where it will be waiting for you, today.  

 

You blinked.  Start again.

 

 

 

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post #432 of 488
9/25/12 at 3:57pm

Nah, PSH was already Bluto to Sandler's Popeye in Punch Drunk Love.

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post #433 of 488
9/25/12 at 4:57pm

THERE WILL BE BLUTO

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post #434 of 488
10/2/12 at 6:35am

Just came across this one this morning:  In Up, Carl dies in his sleep the night before they come to take him to the retirement home.  The rest of the film is him accepting his death and moving on to the afterlife.  Russell is his guardian angel, and Muntz is the Devil trying to claim Carl's soul.

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post #435 of 488
10/2/12 at 7:31am

I watched last evening the Mel Gibson joint "Get the Gringo", and I walked away convinced that the film is an (underwhelming) sequel to 1999's "Payback". The Gibson character is a man with no name, having burned off his finger prints to escape from some sort of past offense, but he still has the same narration style as in Payback, and he also steals from a blind homeless person's tip jar during a scene where he establishes himself in the Mexican slum. He mentions having had a wife, who left him for his partner over some money.

 

In the film Gibson appears worn out and at the end of his rope, and that twinkle in his eye seems to have been dimmed by years of punishing scandal and a long slide into madness. He's no longer as much fun as he was as Turner in Payback. Still though that doesn't change the fact I am pretty certain he's playing the same character in both films.

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post #436 of 488
10/2/12 at 1:28pm

Agreed.  Get The Gringo is absolutely the Payback sequel we never got.

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post #437 of 488
10/2/12 at 1:41pm
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Agreed.  Get The Gringo is absolutely the Payback sequel we never got.

Also, the seatbelt fastening moment mirrored the one in Payback!
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post #438 of 488
10/7/12 at 12:07am

Carrie is a Marvel Comics What If...?  story that shows the consequences of Jean Grey not being recruited by the X-Men.

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post #439 of 488
10/7/12 at 7:09am

My girlfriend and I have this ongoing joke that Mary Poppins came from a lower class background (think Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady), which explains her past with Dick Van Dyke's character, but got accepted into Hogwarts when she was 11. That explains the magic and the refinery. 

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post #440 of 488
10/7/12 at 12:16pm

That theory does fit nicely with certain events from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Century, 2009.

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post #441 of 488
10/7/12 at 12:36pm
In LXG Poppins seemed to be the most powerful force around, perhaps she was even supposed to be god. Definitely don't think Moore intended her to associated with hogwarts.
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post #442 of 488
10/8/12 at 2:20am

What does the creators' intent have to do with it? Certain characters' storylines intersect, and Fan Theory can take it from there.

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post #443 of 488
10/8/12 at 11:31am

Here's an oldie, but a goodie, from the Q & A section on the website of punk band NOFX. In case you didn't know, in 1999 NOFX put out an album with only one song on it called "The Decline". The song is just a little over 18 minutes long (question in bold, answer from the lead singer in Italics):

 

Question (from Steve):

Hi ... ok ... this is from some nofx fansite: >>

 

On the cover of The Decline there is a boy flying a plane. This boy appears to be the same boy who is playing with a toy plane in the movie Pink Floyd: The Wall. Ironically, the boy and his toy plane first appear nearly 18 minutes into the movie, which also is almost the exact running time of The Decline.

 

Play The Decline to the first 18 minutes of The Wall and you'll see what happens! I asked NOFX about this on their official website in the Q&A section, but I don't expect them to answer it (you know how those guys are).

 

I figured instead of using lyrical puns (as they do on most albums), this time they decided to do a visual pun (which apparently makes fun of the pink floyd/wizard of oz connection). << Now is this guy just making this up or is that really an intended visual pun ?????

 

Answer:

you are insane.

 
- Fat Mike
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post #444 of 488
10/8/12 at 11:35am
From Looper:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Abe and Kid Blue are the same person.
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post #445 of 488
10/8/12 at 12:22pm
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From Looper: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Abe and Kid Blue are the same person.

 

I thought this is as well, right up to and including the moment when ...

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...Abe smashes Kid Blue's left hand with a hammer.  I didn't notice whether Abe favored that hand at all, or possibly never used it which might have been a nice touch, over the rest of the film.  Hmmm...  Did Kid Blue ever wear a tie, I wonder?

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post #446 of 488
10/8/12 at 12:32pm

Today's Crackpot Theory: Seth MacFarlane has no face.  He's simply wearing a Guy Fawkes mask painted skin-tone with the facial hair colored over.

 

 

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post #447 of 488
10/8/12 at 12:35pm

It all makes sense now! I knew that smooth sexy voice couldn't be coming from a real person. 

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post #448 of 488
10/8/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post

What does the creators' intent have to do with it? Certain characters' storylines intersect, and Fan Theory can take it from there.

Even the thread title says that sometimes Fan Theory can be simply invalid. I think author's intent goes a long way towards making that determination.
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post #449 of 488
10/8/12 at 4:34pm

I always liked the idea that the Alliance in Fireflly/Serenity was trying to bio-engineer and genetically tamper with River to create something they read about in the history books, a slayer, to take care of the Reaver problem.

 

Does this theory hold water?

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post #450 of 488
10/8/12 at 6:32pm

It's been a long time since I've watched Firefly, but does the show's universe allow for Fray's future Earth?

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