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post #401 of 415
2/22/12 at 9:32am

I want the Dark Bonnie saga and I want it now.

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post #402 of 415
2/23/12 at 12:59am

You think you want that, then in 5 years time BOOM she's reincarnated as some sort of alien-backed gambit to destroy the Vegas brothers.

 

One of whom has been turned into a cyborg.

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post #403 of 415
2/23/12 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

And if they're "movieverse," is Basterds what it is here, a fantasy end to World War II, or is it historical?  Meaning that in the "real world," did Hitler actually die that way?


Good question.  Like I said, it's hard to tell where Basterds and Django might place in this situation.  Kill Bill and Death Proof are obviously "movieverse" entries, but things aren't so clear with his two latest films.  I suspect the same will be said for his eventual Prohibition-era gangster flick that he talks up from time to time these days.

 

I can't believe I'm having a serious discussion about this.



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I could swear that conversation has been going on longer than just since Kill Bill. I might be mistaken, but I think he floated that idea out there as early as after Pulp Fiction.


You're probably right.  All I know is that I don't recall him mentioning it since the Kill Bill films hit theaters.  Then again, I doubt anyone has ever really brought it up in an interview since then.

 



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I think Tarantino has said that the 'Bear Jew' Donny Donowitz is related to Lee Donowitz from True Romance, a 'real world movie.' So either True Romance takes place in a world where Hitler died in a hail of bullets/huge explosion, or there's just no consistent logic to Tarantino's  movie-verse movies/real world movie structure. I'm leaning towards the latter.


Then that likely makes Basterds a "real world" entry...........or at least an historical epic produced (by Lee Donowitz?) in the "real world"-verse.

 

Once again, I'd say the true litmus test here is the McGraw clan.  They're present in the FDTD series, Kill Bill 1&2, Planet Terror, and Death Proof (and probably the Machete sequels).............making those "movieverse" entries.

 

 

 

 

 

While we're at it, does anyone else here think James Gandolfini's "Virgil" in True Romance is a Vega Brother as well?  Or at least some sort of relative?  After all, he fits the profile.

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post #404 of 415
2/23/12 at 6:48am

Cracked had a take on this last summer:

 

 

 

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Every self-respecting Tarantino fan knows about the link between Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs ... but it turns out that the connections between his movies go much, much deeper than that.
 
In Pulp Fiction, John Travolta plays a guy called Vincent Vega. In Reservoir Dogs, most of the characters are known only by their code names -- except Mr. Blonde (Michael Madsen), who happens to be called Vic Vega. Coincidence? Nope, Tarantino has confirmed that they are brothers, and at one point he even considered doing a prequel about the two before they died in their respective movies (though he says it's unlikely now because of the actors' ages).
 
That's just the tip of the iceberg, though. As you might recall, Tarantino's movie Inglourious Basterds ends with the slightly unrealistic scene where Hitler is gunned to shit by a group of Nazi-hunting American Jews in 1944, rather than killing himself in his bunker the following year. If you ever wondered what the world would be like if World War II had really ended that way -- well, it turns out Tarantino has been showing us that reality for the past 20 years.
 
You see, in Inglourious Basterds, Eli Roth plays a character called Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz.  And in True Romance (written by Tarantino), there's a film producer called Lee Donowitz, who has been confirmed to be Donny's son. One of the main characters in True Romance is a woman called Alabama -- the same Alabama Mr. White mentions as a former partner in Reservoir Dogs. Since we've already linked Reservoir Dogs to Pulp Fiction, this means that almost every movie Tarantino has done is set in the Inglourious Basterds timeline. We could go even further and link all the rest through Tarantino's fake brands, like those Red Apple cigarettes that appear in a lot of his movies (including Kill Bill).
 
It makes a sort of sense when you think about it -- the world would be a very different place if Inglourious Basterds was historically accurate and everyone knew that the Nazis were defeated not through strategy and air power, but by sending a handful of pissed-off guys to do this:
 
If that's what you're taught in school, it's only natural that people should become desensitized to violence -- for some, shooting someone in the face would be something you could do as you're, say, making small talk about what type of hamburgers they have in Amsterdam.
 
Also, the fact that the Nazi high command was gunned down and/or burned alive during a hijacked film premiere would perhaps cause society to lend more importance to pop culture: It's no coincidence that the son of the man who killed Hitler in a movie theater went on to become an important film industry figure. If people constantly stop to talk about comic book characters or '70s rock music trivia during incongruous moments, that's because in this reality that's some important, history-changing shit.

 

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post #405 of 415
2/23/12 at 7:12am

So Tarantino created his own reality where the power of cinema is a game-changer? Awesome.

 

Wouldn't we all like to live there? I would. At the very least I want to live in the world where Hitler's skinned alive by bullets.

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post #406 of 415
2/23/12 at 7:38am

My theory would've been that the "real" Donny Donowitz was killed in the European theater (not necessarily Shoshanna's), and Inglorious is Lee Donowitz's lionizing (Bear-izing) tribute to his forebearer.  And all the stuff about the history shaping power of cinema would make a sad sort of sense.  The guy's lived in the shadow of his warrior father's heroic death in The Great War his entire life, so even after building a multi-million dollar empire, he still has this need to justify his life's work against that.  I also assume he was a producer on Fox Force Five, and Kill Bill at least came out of his production company.

 

But I like the Cracked take.

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post #407 of 415
2/23/12 at 7:56am

I like it as well, but I think it implies a level of foresight and intricacy on Tarantino's part that I'm not sure is there.

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post #408 of 415
2/23/12 at 7:57am
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I think Tarantino has said that the 'Bear Jew' Donny Donowitz is related to Lee Donowitz from True Romance, a 'real world movie.' So either True Romance takes place in a world where Hitler died in a hail of bullets/huge explosion, or there's just no consistent logic to Tarantino's  movie-verse movies/real world movie structure. I'm leaning towards the latter.



I'm perfectly okay with it being the latter. In fact, it just adds to the fun for me.

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post #409 of 415
2/23/12 at 8:27am

From what I remember of those handful of interviews in which Tarantino explained his "universes," he described them not as "real world" and "movie world" but as the "realer than real" and the "movie movie" universes. Realer than real would suggest that those films don't necessarily exist in ours at all, and so there's no real conflict or inconsistency with Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and True Romance existing in a world in which WWII ended in Shoshanna's theater. They're all in a movie world reality. (The real world doesn't have B&W process shots behind taxi rides, either. And very few glowing suitcases.) And so then his Movie Movie films are one more removed from reality than that.

 

Someone asked him where Jackie Brown falls, and he said that that's Elmore Leonard's universe, and doesn't exist anywhere is his own.

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post #410 of 415
2/23/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

I like it as well, but I think it implies a level of foresight and intricacy on Tarantino's part that I'm not sure is there.

 

I don't think the idea is so much that Tarantino mapped this all out in his head in 1990, just that even the drastically different stories he's told on film present a consistent worldview reflective of his (gloriously fucked) psyche. 

 

 

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post #411 of 415
2/23/12 at 10:41am

That's what I like about it. Sure it can be fun to get nerdy and map out all the connections and speculate over what fits into where but beyond that it really speaks to the strength of Tarantino's voice/vision (both deliberate and unconscious) as an auteur. And it's a voice and a vision that speaks to folks like us because it's so thoroughly steeped in a love of film and film history. You could go so far as to say that's what all his films are about on some level, and the whole universes thing speaks to the depth of it.

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post #412 of 415
4/18/12 at 8:55am

I have a cool theory about Reservoir Dogs. Everyone was planning on betraying Joe and Nice Guy Eddie. So Mr. White and Mr. Orange fell in love over the course of the movie, White and Orange told each other their names and they planned to run away with each other and take the money. This would explain why White put so much trust into Orange, and why he was so heartbroken when he found out that he was a cop. Mr. Blonde was clearly tired of taking orders from Eddie, so I think he planned to kill the cop then take the money, just like Orange said. Mr. Pink was deliberately trying to get everyone to hate him (i.e. refusing to tip, accusing White of being a cop etc.) So, when he decided to leave and go to a motel no one would try to stop him, and he would secretly take the diamonds with him. Mr. Brown was trying to get Orange and White killed when he crashed the car, but he crashed the car too hard and ended up dying instead. Mr. Blue was trying to stay quiet, because he knew everyone would screw up the heist and end up killing each other and when that happened he would take the diamonds and run. Blue stuck around with Blonde because he thought Blonde was the only professional, but his plan fell to pieces when Blonde started shooting the place up. Pink's plan didn't actually work, but he ended up with the diamonds anyway.

 

Also, the heist in Reservoir Dogs took place on the same day as the first part of Pulp Fiction. Which would explain why there were almost no cops in Pulp Fiction.

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post #413 of 415
4/20/12 at 12:29pm

Finally escaping the Black Lodge after 25 years, Special Agent Dale Cooper's soul inhabits a new vessel and continues chasing Bob in the only way possible - participating in the local government of Pawnee, Indiana...

 

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post #414 of 415
4/23/12 at 4:41am

I still like the idea that Floyd is Aldo Raine's grandson.

 

Don't con-send me. Fuckin' scalp you, man.

 

On the Vegas Brothers tip, Tarantino sorta-kinda had a whack at it with the Gecko brothers, who had a similar dynamic if you see Richie as the uncontrollable Vic Vega type and Seth as the more level-headed though non-heroin-addicted Vincent.

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post #415 of 415
5/8/12 at 5:34am

The hell dimension that Holtz takes baby Conner to at the end of season 3 of Angel is the Mad Men universe.

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