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post #101 of 135
1/25/10 at 1:53am
I debated throwing in Cooke's The Hunter, and probably should have...art and pacing-wise it's my favorite thing he's ever done. Maybe my having read Westlake's book beforehand somehow hindered my enjoyment of Cooke's version, I dunno.

One thing I'll say with conviction: Busiek & Perez's JLA/Avengers 4-parter was pretty much a love letter delivered to the 11 year old me. Not exactly something I'd rank in the best of anything (except maybe company crossovers), but I had fun with it.
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post #102 of 135
1/25/10 at 6:41am
Thread Starter 
Hey, Dax, you had some good picks on the first page, a lot of which I still need to read. I've heard a lot of good things about Acme Novelty Library.

And since Subotai mentioned Wildcats, what do people think about The Authority/Stormwatch? I thought Millar was entertaining for what he was able to provide (bombastic IN YOUR FACE characters, and widescreen action). And then Ellis got ahold of this thing and had the heroes fighting Space God, which I thought was kind of neat. But I still in no way am saying that it should be on the proverbial list, whatever the hell it is now.

Speaking of Ellis, I know Brad was just talking about Mike Carey's run (which was uniformly good I think), but I love, love, love the way he handles Ultimate Fantastic Four. He's the perfect person to do the smart kids dealing with amazing science thing and he did it so well there. I also love the way he handles all his other mainstream work (Thunderbolts, etc) by giving it some intelligence while giving me my action schlock that I need and crave.

As for as the X-men (Brubaker, Fraction, Carey), the only stuff I really enjoy is Carey's work. His take on the X-men as oppressed minority meets special forces (hardly original) is fun to read. But the whole X-she bang is kind of stale, but I'll probably keep up with it periodically, like the flaring of my recurring herpes sores.
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post #103 of 135
1/25/10 at 11:46am
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You not liking something that's popular doesn't qualify it as overrated, it just means that you don't like it.
You grossly underestimate the accuracy of my opinions.
Y is junk. I guess I can see where it's entertaining, but it's junk.
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post #104 of 135
1/25/10 at 1:11pm
It may not be the greatest thing ever (it is), but it's definitely not 'junk'.
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post #105 of 135
1/25/10 at 1:16pm
Yeah, that's just being stubborn.
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post #106 of 135
1/25/10 at 1:23pm
No way, it's totally junk.
The idea is a good one, but the excution never rises above standard. The story is told in a perfuntory, expositional manner. The characters driving it are cliches. Maybe if the art were more dynamic I'd enjoy it more. But it's never more than junky entertainment. Overrated.
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post #107 of 135
1/25/10 at 1:23pm
Your junk is overrated.
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post #108 of 135
1/25/10 at 1:25pm
So's your face.
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post #109 of 135
1/25/10 at 4:51pm
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You grossly underestimate the accuracy of my opinions.
Y is junk. I guess I can see where it's entertaining, but it's junk.
No, I'm not. In fact it seems we've all been grossly overestimating it.
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post #110 of 135
1/25/10 at 4:54pm
I don't know matches, Bob makes a very compelling point about Alex's face.
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post #111 of 135
1/25/10 at 4:55pm
Well that's a fact not an opinion.
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post #112 of 135
1/25/10 at 9:36pm
I thought about Rex Mundi for the list, but I was pretty disappointed in the wrap-up.
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post #113 of 135
1/26/10 at 2:41pm
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I thought about Rex Mundi for the list, but I was pretty disappointed in the wrap-up.
Rex Mundi was an impressive piece of work (impressive for Arvid's determination to get it done, if nothing else), but yeah, I was disappointed by the end, too. Especially the last issue. It didn't help AT ALL that the story ended with absolutely no 'closing credits' at all. It felt incomplete. That said, I got a lot of enjoyment out of the book, and especially liked the last artist they had on the book.

Alex, regarding the GLOBAL FREQUENCY show-- there's a second attempt planned. Fingers crossed! I didn't like that series more than PLANETARY (because I totally love, love PLANETARY), but it was damn cool.

I'll put in another vote for WILDCATS 3.0 being very good. I was always very excited to see a new issue of that book-- until they axed it.

I've cooled on Bendis these days, but was a huge fan of his runs on DAREDEVIL and ALIAS.

Umm... I really liked FRAY. Anyone else?
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post #114 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:01pm
I'll always be at odds with Bendis' run on Daredevil. At points, it's great. Brilliant, even. But there's so much of it that could have been edited down. I will always maintain that issue 31/32 (I think, it may be 30/31) is a real sore spot, because they're two issues in which the second is a literal recap of the issue that came right before it. There was no reason to retell the same events from another perspective, when that perspective didn't even change or add anything to the proceedings. It was almost the same exact issue printed twice. For reference, it was during the Underboss storyline, and the issue in question is the FBI questioning the titular "underboss" on events that happened in the prior issue, and it basically just retells the entire issue. That's just not good writing.
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post #115 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:21pm
I can't stand Bendis' decompressed storytelling style. When comics are running 4 bucks a piece that should be unforgivable. That said I loved Alias.
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post #116 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:23pm
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I'll always be at odds with Bendis' run on Daredevil. At points, it's great. Brilliant, even. But there's so much of it that could have been edited down. I will always maintain that issue 31/32 (I think, it may be 30/31) is a real sore spot, because they're two issues in which the second is a literal recap of the issue that came right before it. There was no reason to retell the same events from another perspective, when that perspective didn't even change or add anything to the proceedings. It was almost the same exact issue printed twice. For reference, it was during the Underboss storyline, and the issue in question is the FBI questioning the titular "underboss" on events that happened in the prior issue, and it basically just retells the entire issue. That's just not good writing.
Yeah, I guess Bendis Daredevil run is a fun, good read that gets an upgrade to great because of single moments or dialogue scenes among the endless recaps and overextend plots (Golden Age and Decalogue are pure filler).
I'll defend his last issue to the death, tough; the whole sequence before Murdock answers the judge is as great as they come.
I think Brubaker's following run is much better plotted and executed, and still has a lot of great intense/awesome moments (both the riot at the prison and the ending of the Mr Fear confrontation stands out for me).
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post #117 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:25pm
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I can't stand Bendis' decompressed storytelling style. When comics are running 4 bucks a piece that should be unforgivable. That said I loved Alias.
"Purple" is one of the best storylines of the decade; "Pulse" started strong, but soon became pointless and kind of hollow.

Also, I'd like to add that last weeks "Blackest night: Starman" issue proves that James Robinson hasnt lost it completely; I'd kill for a Vertigo "The Shade" series by Robinson.

Edit: "Inmortal Iron Fist"; just fun or really great?
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post #118 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:39pm
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Edit: "Inmortal Iron Fist"; just fun or really great?
Tough call. Incredibly fun, no question. And Orson Randall is easily my fave new character of the decade.

Ah, hell, if incredible amounts of fun isn't a form of comic book greatness, I don't know what is.
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post #119 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:41pm
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Also, I'd like to add that last weeks "Blackest night: Starman" issue proves that James Robinson hasnt lost it completely; I'd kill for a Vertigo "The Shade" series by Robinson.
I'm pretty sure DR. LIGHT - RAPE ZOMBIE contradicts this statement, and probably proves Robinson never really had all that much to begin with. Seriously, why all the love for Starman? It's barely above mediocrity. And Golden Age is actually pretty terrible.
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post #120 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:45pm
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I'm pretty sure DR. LIGHT - RAPE ZOMBIE contradicts this statement, and probably proves Robinson never really had all that much to begin with. Seriously, why all the love for Starman? It's barely above mediocrity. And Golden Age is actually pretty terrible.
Compared to current series, new series, they pale a bit, but both Starman and Golden Age are pretty damn great IMO.
Dr.Light. Rape Zombie (PHD) has no excuse, aside from editorial mandate, i guess.
As long as none tries to defend Chuck Austen's X-men run, were all good.

EDIT: I'd say "Starman" is more influential than anything, considering Robinson's characterization anduse of continuity in that series; Jack Knight remains one of my favorite characters to this day, and no wonder nobody else dared pick the character up after Robinson finished his story.
And you gotta at least give him his re-invention of The Shade as genius; the Shade/Oscar Wilde issue is fantastic.
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post #121 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:47pm
Editorial mandate or no, that whole scene was pretty disgustingly written. If you ever wonder why people think superhero fans hate women, just direct your eyes to scenes such as new Dr. Light, in a desperate bid to escape from evil Rape Zombie Dr. Light, uses her incredible powers to become completely nude and unconscious.
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post #122 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:52pm
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Editorial mandate or no, that whole scene was pretty disgustingly written. If you ever wonder why people think superhero fans hate women, just direct your eyes to scenes such as new Dr. Light, in a desperate bid to escape from evil Rape Zombie Dr. Light, uses her incredible powers to become completely nude and unconscious.
Yeah, its really, really bad...I bet that issue makes Gail Simone punch a kitten.
How the hell did the guy who had a male hero raped (well, technically,a nd in more than one level) write that?
Dammit Brad, you're affecting my judgement.
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post #123 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:52pm
I agree that, on the whole, Alias is Bendis' best superhero work, but I love the first few years of Powers, too.
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post #124 of 135
1/26/10 at 3:54pm
hahaha Gail Simone, don't even get me started on her.
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post #125 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:05pm
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hahaha Gail Simone, don't even get me started on her.
Dammit, you're sure as hell tempting me there; can we settle on Devin "I kinda, maybe defintly raped Nightwing" Grayson instead?
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post #126 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:09pm
Christ, now SHE'S a piece of work. Complete, utter looney tune. She literally, no shit, wants to have actual real sex with Dick Grayson. It's why she legally changed her name to "Devin Grayson". She actually wants Dick Grayson to be real and to marry her. FOR REAL.
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post #127 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:11pm
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Christ, now SHE'S a piece of work. Complete, utter looney tune. She literally, no shit, wants to have actual real sex with Dick Grayson. It's why she legally changed her name to "Devin Grayson". She actually wants Dick Grayson to be real and to marry her. FOR REAL.
Wasnt she bisexual and a member of GLAAD or something? When i learned that, it was quite a "whoa!" moment.
Also, didnt Gail Simone killed nightwing's rapist in Secret Six?
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post #128 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:15pm
They're both kind of bizarrely out of it as far as gender politics go. Simone, I don't think I've ever seen anyone that absolutely thrives on sycophants as much as she does, though.

But anyway, this isn't the "Brad gossips about crazy comic book writers" thread.
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post #129 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:18pm
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They're both kind of bizarrely out of it as far as gender politics go. Simone, I don't think I've ever seen anyone that absolutely thrives on sycophants as much as she does, though.

But anyway, this isn't the "Brad gossips about crazy comic book writers" thread.
Sorry for the derail (although now i cant help picture Nightwing crying in the shower, the names Grayson and Jones clearly mentioned during sobs).

Back to great comics, people.
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post #130 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:19pm
Did I mention MOUSE GUARD? I think I did. People should seriously fucking read Mouse Guard.

And I've said it before in other threads, and I'll say it again.

B.P.R.D. under John Arcudi and Guy Davis is better than Hellboy.
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post #131 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:25pm
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Did I mention MOUSE GUARD? I think I did. People should seriously fucking read Mouse Guard.

And I've said it before in other threads, and I'll say it again.

B.P.R.D. under John Arcudi and Guy Davis is better than Hellboy.
Ditto on Mouse Guard; BPRD has beenn a blast since the start....shame the Lobster Johnson mini wasnt as good IMO.
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post #132 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:29pm
And I don't mean better than it is now, I mean better than it ever was.
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post #133 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:38pm
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And I don't mean better than it is now, I mean better than it ever was.
I love that it took a whole different team to take the world and characters that Mignola created to make a fantastic, fun as hell book; the guys developed Roger the homunculus into a great character in just two freaking issues.

Im amazed no TDK fanboy has come and try to shoehorns Azzarello's "Joker" here (i thought it was ok, except for Batman's last and only line in the book, which is great).
Does "The Exterminators" merit mention here? Never saw it to the end, for money reasons.
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post #134 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:50pm
I kind of quit Exterminators after book 4. It was most fun when they weren't so concerned with pushing the series to a conclusion. Maybe I'll pick up that last trade someday, but I didn't find the last story I read too inspiring. Series started off great, though.
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post #135 of 135
1/26/10 at 4:58pm
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Does "The Exterminators" merit mention here? Never saw it to the end, for money reasons.
Yeah, sure, it's good stuff.

Already listed my faves, but to toss in a couple more that I don't think I've seen mentioned: Crossing Midnight and American Virgin were both good reads while they lasted. I loved Hawaiian Dick when Griffin was doing the art, and Gun Fu was good, silly fun.

There's also a couple of recent unfinished (as far as I know) series that I didn't think were particularly great, but whose creators showed a lot of promise: Jay Boose's The Chemist, and Kevin Ferrara's The Deadlander (which became The Dead Rider, then just became dead). Unfortunately, all I can find of either (without digging out the actual issues) are some links to the covers, and it's really the outstanding sequential work that sold me on both artists.
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